• California budget deficit issue

    From Utopian Galt@VERT to All on Fri Nov 21 22:19:08 2025
    The Giving Tree of the state of California is wearing thin. We have a huge budget shortfall with so many misguided priorities such as funding Proposition 50 instead of funding Medicaid or our prisons. We already cut services for disabled youth and watered down some care for the people who lack legal immigration status, but Democrats are not going to eliminate the entitlement that the state taxpayers are obligated to pay for. If Democrats want to give health care to the undocumented aliens then they need to take the political courage to raise those taxes if they feel so deeply for that demographic group.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Utopian Galt on Sat Nov 22 12:29:13 2025
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    pay for. If Democrats want to give health care to the undocumented
    aliens then they need to take the political courage to raise those
    taxes if they feel so deeply for that demographic group.

    They are going to start charging for access to medical in 2027 and
    announced a pause in people who are not pregnant in 2026.

    One school of thought is that having preventative/early stage medical
    care for people residing in the state, regardless of status is a good
    thing - it would cost more to process them through an emergency room
    when their condition worsens through lack of care than to take care of
    it early.

    I was going to compare the cost of an advil to the cost of being on a
    ventilator in an ICU, but I recall how much an advil cost in my last
    hospital bill.

    The reality is, while some people may come over the border for the
    benefits, we have a lot of undocumented workers who, well, work. They
    work in kitchens, they work in fields, they work in a ton of places.
    They pay sales taxes, gas taxes and more. The California economy
    depends on them.

    There's costs that could be cut in the California budget, but I'd
    rather find budget cuts that don't cause people to suffer.



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Nov 24 00:46:11 2025
    Re: Re: California budget deficit issue
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Utopian Galt on Sat Nov 22 2025 1

    The reality is, while some people may come over the border for the
    benefits, we have a lot of undocumented workers who, well, work. They
    work in kitchens, they work in fields, they work in a ton of places.
    They pay sales taxes, gas taxes and more. The California economy
    depends on them.


    they are illegal aliens/illegal immigrants, not undocumented workers. and
    yes, many do work. they need a path to citizenship so they have the same
    rights and benefits and so they can stop being politican pawns.

    if california cared about them they'd be
    working on a better path to citizenship or permanent residency.

    those people are essentially 2nd class human wage slaves.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Nov 24 09:19:45 2025
    Re: Re: California budget deficit issue
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Utopian Galt on Sat Nov 22 2025 12:29:13

    The reality is, while some people may come over the border for the
    benefits, we have a lot of undocumented workers who, well, work. They
    work in kitchens, they work in fields, they work in a ton of places.
    They pay sales taxes, gas taxes and more. The California economy
    depends on them.

    A lot of "us" don't really have a problem with these people. They come in, do the work that no one else (including the jobless) seem to want to do, they pay their taxes, and they go home.

    Unfortunately, some do have a problem with that... not sure why but I would unfortunately guess that it is because they are not white or don't speak English as a first language. :(
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Mon Nov 24 22:48:23 2025
    Re: Re: California budget deficit issue
    By: Dumas Walker to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Nov 24 2025 09:19 am

    A lot of "us" don't really have a problem with these people. They
    come in, do the work that no one else (including the jobless)
    seem to want to do, they pay their taxes, and they go home.

    that's what you've been brainwashed to believe. they have jobs that
    other americans do. non illegals clean toilets or work on farms.

    the problem i have is these people are being used as pawns. they should have the opportunity to be a resident alien or american citizen.

    Unfortunately, some do have a problem with that... not sure why but
    I would unfortunately guess that it is because they are not white
    or don't speak English as a first language. :(

    that's another brain washed take on it.

    THEY DON'T BELONG HERE. I don't care if they're used as slaves to pick oranges. it's not right. it's not right for them and it's not right for my country.

    personally, i'm not ok with slavery. they might pay taxes if they buy something from the gas station or transfer money home but you don't know the extent.

    they should have all the rights as a resident alien or american citizen if they are going to live and work here.

    They shouldnt be used as political pawns and they shouldnt be here voting.
    i'm talking about all illegal aliens, just not those from mexico.
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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPTEST to MRO on Tue Nov 25 10:10:58 2025
    A lot of "us" don't really have a problem with these people. They
    come in, do the work that no one else (including the jobless)
    seem to want to do, they pay their taxes, and they go home.

    that's what you've been brainwashed to believe. they have jobs that
    other americans do. non illegals clean toilets or work on farms.

    No, actually I have been told by multiple jobless folks over the years that they don't want those jobs. There was one that hung around in FIDO
    POLITICS (and maybe still does) that likes to complain about illegals taking jobs, but also about how his government assistance isn't enough. When I pointed out that they were hiring fruit pickers in the SE US to replace the ones that were deported, and suggested he could get a job like that, he
    didn't like that suggestion. He seemed offended that I would suggest it.

    While he didn't come right out and say it, several will indicate that the
    type of labor in question is "below" them and that they, an unemployed
    person (who, if they have a degree it is in something that is never in
    demand), deserve better.

    If I have been "brainwashed" to believe that, it is by many mostly-white, mostly-male people who don't want to work... and, for at least the younger ones, enjoy living with their parents... not by whoever you think did it.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Tue Nov 25 22:03:34 2025
    Re: Re: California budget def
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Tue Nov 25 2025 10:10 am

    No, actually I have been told by multiple jobless folks over the
    years that they don't want those jobs. There was one that hung
    around in FIDO POLITICS (and maybe still does) that likes to complain
    about illegals taking jobs, but also about how his government

    well you cant use any bbs people or fidonet people as examples. they are a bunch of crazy people.
    assistance isn't enough. When I pointed out that they were hiring
    fruit pickers in the SE US to replace the ones that were deported,
    and suggested he could get a job like that, he didn't like that
    suggestion. He seemed offended that I would suggest it.

    that's a racist thing though. you think all they do is pick fruit and clean toilets? they do all kinds of jobs and own properties.

    who does those jobs that the 'illegals' do as americans? felons, people who take drugs, people who work under the table, double dipping from disability and working cash or people who want to make good money and arent afraid
    of hard work.

    If I have been "brainwashed" to believe that, it is by many
    mostly-white, mostly-male people who don't want to work... and, for
    at least the younger ones, enjoy living with their parents...
    not by whoever you think did it.


    american people are brainwashed to think that the only illegal immigrants are mexicans and 'they do jobs nobody else wants to do'.

    picking oranges and cleaning toilets.

    not only are they not all mexicans, they are doing all kinds of jobs and running all kinds of legal and illegal businesses.
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  • From jimmylogan@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Tue Nov 25 20:37:23 2025
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    those people are essentially 2nd class human wage slaves.

    I was going to bring that up - that a lot make 'slave wages.'


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Dumas Walker on Wed Nov 26 06:30:03 2025
    Re: Re: California budget def
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Tue Nov 25 2025 10:10 am

    No, actually I have been told by multiple jobless folks over the years that they don't want those jobs. There was one that hung around in FIDO
    POLITICS (and maybe still does) that likes to complain about illegals taking jobs, but also about how his government assistance isn't enough. When I pointed out that they were hiring fruit pickers in the SE US to replace the ones that were deported, and suggested he could get a job like that, he didn't like that suggestion. He seemed offended that I would suggest it.


    Here in Spain the trend seems to be that people does not want to take jobs they are overqualified for. Say you have a STEM degree and you end up jobless for whatever reason... people here tends not to pick a random manual job even to hold it temporarily.

    But the sword cuts both ways. When I was out of college I spent a couple of months trying to get an entry-level job matching my degree. That didn't work out so I started applying for lower level labor. It didn't work because people is just not hiring overqualified workers out of IT fields... you apply to a positions in sales for a construction prefabs company, they see a degree in Structures Engineering, and you are automatically out because they are looking for somebody with vocational studies at most.

    Meanwhile there is a single North African dude with no studies earning OK money for irrigating most of the fields in my village. I don't know if he is doing it because no Spanish native applied, but I am sure if I had tried to get it I would have been kicked out unless I had been dishonest.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to jimmylogan on Wed Nov 26 07:55:52 2025
    Re: Re: California budget def
    By: jimmylogan to MRO on Tue Nov 25 2025 08:37 pm


    those people are essentially 2nd class human wage slaves.

    I was going to bring that up - that a lot make 'slave wages.'


    i'm not so sure about that. it depends on the case.
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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPTEST to MRO on Wed Nov 26 10:02:55 2025
    No, actually I have been told by multiple jobless folks over the
    years that they don't want those jobs. There was one that hung
    around in FIDO POLITICS (and maybe still does) that likes to complain about illegals taking jobs, but also about how his government

    well you cant use any bbs people or fidonet people as examples. they are a bunch of crazy people.

    My examples are from "real life," too.

    assistance isn't enough. When I pointed out that they were hiring
    fruit pickers in the SE US to replace the ones that were deported,
    and suggested he could get a job like that, he didn't like that suggestion. He seemed offended that I would suggest it.

    that's a racist thing though. you think all they do is pick fruit and clean toilets? they do all kinds of jobs and own properties.

    No, I don't think that. The employer in question was looking for new hires
    to pick fruit specifically because their work force had been
    "cut by deporations" -- so I am taking their word for it.

    who does those jobs that the 'illegals' do as americans? felons, people who take drugs, people who work under the table, double dipping from disability and working cash or people who want to make good money and arent afraid
    of hard work.

    Yes, but in the cases I am refering to, the last sentence there would disqualify those Americans... they don't want to do any type of "hard work" because it is somehow beneath their long-unemployed arses.

    Once you run out of felons, druggies, etc., who aren't afraid of hard work,
    I suspect that leaves a whole lot of unfilled openings while the rest of
    the "Americans without jobs 'cuz illegals" sit around and don't want those jobs.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Wed Nov 26 23:24:37 2025
    Re: Re: California budget def
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Wed Nov 26 2025 10:02 am

    Yes, but in the cases I am refering to, the last sentence there would disqualify those Americans... they don't want to do any type of
    "hard work" because it is somehow beneath their long-unemployed
    arses.

    people still do hard work. look at roofers. look at the trades.
    foundries are hard work.

    Once you run out of felons, druggies, etc., who aren't afraid of hard
    work, I suspect that leaves a whole lot of unfilled openings
    while the rest of the "Americans without jobs 'cuz illegals"
    sit around and don't want those jobs.

    people just don't want to work for the most part. that's why there's more
    jobs than people. that illegals are taking our jobs thing is old hat.
    go look up indeed and search for mfg jobs 30 bucks or better. there's tens of thousands in your area most likely.

    in the end it gets sorted out. the employer offers more money and training and they fill positions.
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  • From Utopian Galt@VERT to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Nov 27 12:49:57 2025
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  • From Utopian Galt@VERT to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Nov 27 12:50:41 2025
    Re: Re: California budget deficit issue**-=> poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Utopian Galt <=-*** pF> One school of thought is that hav
    By: Utopian Galt to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Nov 27 2025 12:49 pm

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