• Copycat Benihana Style S

    From Tiny@VERT/PHARCYDE to Mro on Thu Oct 17 05:33:28 2024
    Hi Mro,
    In a message to Digital Man you wrote:

    they dont really have any flavor, do they? they just
    are squishy and absorb some flavors.

    They have a lot of flavour. I think anyway. Maybe
    this is like cilantro where some people love it and
    other's don't. I love it, Andrea says it tastes like soap.

    Shawn

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tiny on Thu Oct 17 15:39:19 2024
    Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: Tiny to Mro on Thu Oct 17 2024 05:33 am

    Hi Mro,
    In a message to Digital Man you wrote:

    they dont really have any flavor, do they? they just
    are squishy and absorb some flavors.

    They have a lot of flavour. I think anyway. Maybe
    this is like cilantro where some people love it and
    other's don't. I love it, Andrea says it tastes like soap.


    yeah. my mom was a mushroom lover. cooked mushrooms do not have flavor for me. or they taste nasty
    i dont know why someoen would want to eat mushrooms.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Thu Oct 17 14:45:17 2024
    Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: MRO to Tiny on Thu Oct 17 2024 03:39 pm

    yeah. my mom was a mushroom lover. cooked mushrooms do not have flavor for me. or they taste nasty
    i dont know why someoen would want to eat mushrooms.

    Naturally, if they don't taste good to you or you feel like they have an odd texture, you wouldn't enjoy them. But a lot of people do like them.

    Nightfox

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  • From Bf2k+@VERT/TACOPRON to MRO on Thu Oct 17 20:35:09 2024
    Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: MRO to Tiny on Thu Oct 17 2024 03:39 pm

    yeah. my mom was a mushroom lover. cooked mushrooms do not have flavor for me. or they taste nasty
    i dont know why someoen would want to eat mushrooms.

    I like them cooked with my steak. I am thinking of getting one of those blackstone grills to replace my dead grill...

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  • From Tiny@VERT/PHARCYDE to Mro on Fri Oct 18 07:45:58 2024
    Hi Mro,
    On <Fri, 17 Oct 24>, you wrote me:

    yeah. my mom was a mushroom lover. cooked mushrooms do not have
    flavor for me. or they taste nasty i dont know why someoen would want
    to eat mushrooms.

    If everyone had the same tastes the world would be pretty boring. :)

    Shawn

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  • From Tiny@VERT/PHARCYDE to Mro on Fri Oct 18 07:45:58 2024
    Hi Mro,
    In a message to The Lizard Master you wrote:

    yeah because they are stuffed. if you bread them and deep fry them
    they dont taste like shit either.

    You could bread and deep fry shoe leather and it would taste good
    dipped in some bluecheese or something.

    Shawn

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  • From Ed Vance@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Fri Oct 18 13:32:48 2024
    Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: Tiny to Mro on Thu Oct 17 2024 05:33 am

    yeah. my mom was a mushroom lover. cooked mushrooms do not have flavor for me. or they taste nasty
    i dont know why someoen would want to eat mushrooms.
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    I'm gonna tell on myself.

    I carried a small can-opener when I was a teen.
    I would ride my bike in neighborhoods away from my normal area.
    If I wanted to stop at a grocery store and get a candy bar, cookies or some other snack I sometimes bought a can of Vienna sausages or a can of mushrooms.

    After paying the grocer I'd open the can up, drink the liquid from the can and eat the contents.

    I would ask the grocer to put the empty can in the trash for me.
    Ed
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tiny on Fri Oct 18 17:00:28 2024
    Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: Tiny to Mro on Fri Oct 18 2024 07:45 am

    Hi Mro,
    On <Fri, 17 Oct 24>, you wrote me:

    yeah. my mom was a mushroom lover. cooked mushrooms do not have
    flavor for me. or they taste nasty i dont know why someoen would want
    to eat mushrooms.

    If everyone had the same tastes the world would be pretty boring. :)

    Shawn

    you are right. i eat strange stripper ass but i complain about mushrooms.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ed Vance on Fri Oct 18 17:03:15 2024
    Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: Ed Vance to MRO on Fri Oct 18 2024 01:32 pm


    After paying the grocer I'd open the can up, drink the liquid from the can and eat the contents.

    I would ask the grocer to put the empty can in the trash for me.
    Ed

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Bf2k+ on Fri Oct 18 18:40:52 2024
    Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: Bf2k+ to MRO on Thu Oct 17 2024 08:35 pm

    Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: MRO to Tiny on Thu Oct 17 2024 03:39 pm

    yeah. my mom was a mushroom lover. cooked mushrooms do not have flavor for me. or they taste nasty
    i dont know why someoen would want to eat mushrooms.

    I like them cooked with my steak. I am thinking of getting one of those blackstone grills to replace my dead grill...

    everyone that has one loves them.
    i don't understand the hype. it's a griddle, you can cook inside.
    it's like a big cast iron skillet. why not cook inside?
    it gets rusty. and they are around 300 bucks.
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  • From Tiny@VERT/PHARCYDE to Mro on Sat Oct 19 07:08:16 2024
    Hi Mro,
    On <Sat, 18 Oct 24>, you wrote me:

    you are right. i eat strange stripper ass but i complain about
    mushrooms.

    Eating strang stripper ass would never cross my mind. :)

    Shawn

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  • From Tiny@VERT/PHARCYDE to Mro on Sat Oct 19 07:08:16 2024
    Hi Mro,
    In a message to Bf2K+ you wrote:

    everyone that has one loves them. i don't understand the hype. it's a griddle, you can cook inside. it's like a big cast iron skillet. why
    not cook inside? it gets rusty. and they are around 300 bucks.

    I use my good old cast iron skillet. Light the BBQ and throw it on there. Works just as well and I didn't have to buy anything seperate!

    Shawn

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tiny on Sat Oct 19 14:54:51 2024
    Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: Tiny to Mro on Sat Oct 19 2024 07:08 am

    Hi Mro,
    On <Sat, 18 Oct 24>, you wrote me:

    you are right. i eat strange stripper ass but i complain about mushrooms.

    Eating strang stripper ass would never cross my mind. :)

    Shawn


    GAY
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  • From Ed Vance@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Sat Oct 19 11:12:03 2024
    Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: Ed Vance to MRO on Fri Oct 18 2024 01:32 pm

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    Interesting comment.
    Ed
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  • From Brian Martin@VERT/BEEBS2 to Tiny on Sun Oct 20 00:11:33 2024
    Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: Tiny to Mro on Sat Oct 19 2024 07:08:16

    /Q

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ed Vance on Sun Oct 20 00:46:45 2024
    Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: Ed Vance to MRO on Sat Oct 19 2024 11:12 am

    Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: Ed Vance to MRO on Fri Oct 18 2024 01:32 pm

    and on a hot day in the summer you drink a nice cool pitcher of hotdog water ---


    Interesting comment.
    Ed

    well did you not say this:

    "I carried a small can-opener when I was a teen.
    I would ride my bike in neighborhoods away from my normal area.
    If I wanted to stop at a grocery store and get a candy bar, cookies or some other snack I sometimes bought a can of Vienna sausages or a can of mushrooms.

    After paying the grocer I'd open the can up, drink the liquid from the can and eat the contents.

    I would ask the grocer to put the empty can in the trash for me.
    Ed "
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  • From Ed Vance@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Sun Oct 20 19:09:07 2024
    Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: Ed Vance to MRO on Sat Oct 19 2024 11:12 am

    well did you not say this:

    "I carried a small can-opener when I was a teen.
    I would ride my bike in neighborhoods away from my normal area.
    If I wanted to stop at a grocery store and get a candy bar, cookies or some other snack I sometimes bought a can of Vienna sausages or a can of mushrooms.

    After paying the grocer I'd open the can up, drink the liquid from the can and eat the contents.

    I would ask the grocer to put the empty can in the trash for me.
    Ed "
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    You quoted Me correctly.
    In my way of thinking a Frankferter is a hot dog .
    A vienna sausage is a vienna sausage.
    Ed
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ed Vance on Sun Oct 20 23:56:29 2024
    Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: Ed Vance to MRO on Sun Oct 20 2024 07:09 pm

    If I wanted to stop at a grocery store and get a candy bar, cookies or some other snack I sometimes bought a can of Vienna sausages or a can of mushrooms.

    After paying the grocer I'd open the can up, drink the liquid from the can and eat the contents.

    I would ask the grocer to put the empty can in the trash for me.
    In my way of thinking a Frankferter is a hot dog .
    A vienna sausage is a vienna sausage.
    Ed


    i'm sure vienna sausage water and mushroom water is just as gross or worse than hotdog water.
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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to ED VANCE on Mon Oct 21 09:47:00 2024
    If I wanted to stop at a grocery store and get a candy bar, cookies or some other snack I sometimes bought a can of Vienna sausages or a can of mushrooms.

    After paying the grocer I'd open the can up, drink the liquid from the can and
    eat the contents.

    Interesting. It has been a long time since I had vienna sausages but,
    IIRC, the times I remember the "liquid" in the can was actually more gellatin-like than liquid.


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  • From bbsing@VERT/LUNAROUT to Tiny on Wed Oct 23 15:29:43 2024
    Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: Tiny to Mro on Fri Oct 18 2024 07:45:58

    yeah. my mom was a mushroom lover. cooked mushrooms do not have
    flavor for me. or they taste nasty i dont know why someoen would want
    to eat mushrooms.

    If everyone had the same tastes the world would be pretty boring. :)

    Hi Tiny and everyone else.
    Please understand I mean no offense with this reply.


    I've heard this before. I know I shouldnt, but I started thinking about this a bit more. I was brainwashed in school due to taking logic courses. They said I wouldn't get a diploma if I didn't take them. Now I didn't have to spell to get a diploma and I still can't do that. Anyhow, here goes.

    ---------------------------------------

    Logically a question appeard in my mind and I honestly can't see how if we all had the same tastes we would be more, or less bored:

    premise:
    If i only like what I like, and I don't like what anyone else likes, is my world more or less boring to me because someone else likes something different than what I like?

    questions:
    Do I have to know if they like something I don't like to become bored?

    Expressing the question about the phrase that is common "the world would be a boring place if we all liked the same things," isn't this a false premise, or is it a phrase that means something else?

    example 1:
    I like chocolate, but my wife doesn't, however I get no entertainment or novelty because she doesn't like chocolate.


    example 2:
    If there were only mushrooms and nothing else to eat and all our lives we only ate mushrooms for all of time, how would I know I was bored of them?

    example 3:
    I can see the colors I can see, but a bee can see colors I can't. I've never been bored of the colors I can see because I can't see the colors the bee can see eventhough I know bees can see more colors than myself.


    example 4:
    I like the movies tron and wargames. I only watch those movies, and I'm not bored of the each time I watch them, but if someone else doesn't like tron or even know of the movie wargames, I still don't seem to get bored of tron and wargames.


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    I've never really had someone explain to me how this statement really works locigally.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to bbsing on Thu Oct 24 06:51:16 2024
    Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: bbsing to Tiny on Wed Oct 23 2024 03:29 pm

    I like the movies tron and wargames. I only watch those movies, and I'm not bored of the each time I watch them, but if someone else doesn't like tron or even know of the movie wargames, I still don't seem to get bored of tron and wargames.


    I've never really had someone explain to me how this statement really works locigally.


    you are autistic
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  • From bbsing@VERT/LUNAROUT to MRO on Thu Oct 24 08:31:11 2024
    Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: MRO to bbsing on Thu Oct 24 2024 06:51:16

    Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: bbsing to Tiny on Wed Oct 23 2024 03:29 pm

    I like the movies tron and wargames. I only watch those movies, and I'm not bored of the each time I watch them, but if
    someone
    else doesn't like tron or even know of the movie wargames, I still don't seem to get bored of tron and wargames.


    I've never really had someone explain to me how this statement really works locigally.


    you are autistic

    Maybe so.

    I guess I'm a variation in tastes that makes this place less boring.

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  • From KnightMare@VERT/TELEGRAP to MRO on Thu Oct 24 15:55:33 2024
    Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: MRO to Ed Vance on Sun Oct 20 2024 11:56 pm

    i'm sure vienna sausage water and mushroom water is just as gross or worse than hotdog water.

    I've called that, "frankenjuice". i also think my then GF put it in the Urban Dictionary for me.

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  • From Ed Vance@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Thu Oct 24 19:41:38 2024
    Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: Ed Vance to MRO on Sun Oct 20 2024 07:09 pm

    i'm sure vienna sausage water and mushroom water is just as gross or worse than hotdog water.
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    Depends on what a person likes.

    When I was in the Service a fellow in my company would go to the chow hall the same time as I did.
    We sat and talked about things we like or dislike.
    He said he didn't care for steak and I told him that I didn't like the taste of liver.
    He said he loved liver .
    After that when steak was on the menu he would get a steak and give it to me when we got to a table.
    (The servers in the chow line said they couldn't give 2 steaks on a serving, but after someone finished eating they could come back in the line and get served another steak.
    When liver was on the menu I got a piece of liver to give to my friend.

    And YES!, I love Mushrooms on Steak, and Mushroom Gravy on Mashed Potatoes.

    About liver: one time when I was in elementry school when I was at a friend's house for a class project , his mom fixed liver for supper.
    I wasn't going to eat the liver, he told me his mom makes it taste really good. So I tried it and actually liked the taste and ate it all.

    I like Mushrooms on Pizza.
    I also like Popcorn Shrimp. Don't have to mess with the shrimp tails and get to eat all of the shrimp pieces on my plate.

    Also like BBQ Chicken Pizza too.
    Suits me.
    Ed
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  • From Ed Vance@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Dumas Walker on Thu Oct 24 19:49:37 2024
    Interesting. It has been a long time since I had vienna sausages but,
    IIRC, the times I remember the "liquid" in the can was actually more gellatin-like than liquid.

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    Back in the 1950's grocery stores in the summertime didn't have air conditioning, just one or two cans in the store.

    The liquid didn't get cool enuf to gel.
    I would slurp the gel down if that was in the can when I opened it.
    Vienna Sausage juice and Mushroom juice both have a salty taste that I like.
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  • From Ed Vance@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Thu Oct 24 19:51:35 2024
    Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: Ed Vance to MRO on Sun Oct 20 2024 07:09 pm

    i'm sure vienna sausage water and mushroom water is just as gross or worse than hotdog water.
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    Depends on a person's taste.
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  • From Ed Vance@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Dumas Walker on Thu Oct 24 20:04:14 2024
    I didn't noticed when I wrote "One or Two fans in the store" that it mistyped (or this phone thought) the word can instead of fan. DUH
    Ed
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  • From phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Ed Vance on Thu Oct 24 21:30:30 2024
    Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: Ed Vance to MRO on Thu Oct 24 2024 07:41 pm

    I like Mushrooms on Pizza.
    Also like BBQ Chicken Pizza too.

    You know what's better on pizza? Anchovies and pineapple.

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  • From Tiny@VERT/PHARCYDE to Phigan on Fri Oct 25 07:08:34 2024
    Hi Phigan,
    In a message to Ed Vance you wrote:

    You know what's better on pizza? Anchovies and pineapple.

    Anchovies yes. Pineapple no. Wife and grandson (and kid)
    all like pineapple. I've tried it, I can eat it. I don't like it.

    Shawn

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  • From Ed Vance@VERT/CAPCITY2 to phigan on Fri Oct 25 10:09:07 2024
    Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: Ed Vance to MRO on Thu Oct 24 2024 07:41 pm

    You know what's better on pizza? Anchovies and pineapple.

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    I have ate pizza that had pineapple and ham on it.
    Never tried anchovies, never thought I would like fish on pizza.
    Thought anchovies would have a salty taste. Do they?

    As I was writing that I thought about the salty liquid in a can of mushrooms (or vienna sausage).

    I may ask the pizza place we visit regularly to put some anchovies on half the pizza with the other ingredients so I can see if they are acceptable to my taste buds.
    Thanks.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ed Vance on Fri Oct 25 11:29:55 2024
    Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: Ed Vance to phigan on Fri Oct 25 2024 10:09 am

    Never tried anchovies, never thought I would like fish on pizza.
    Thought anchovies would have a salty taste. Do they?

    As I was writing that I thought about the salty liquid in a can of mushrooms (or vienna sausage).


    you're scaring me dude. you arent sticking your pecker into that
    salty jelly stuff, are you
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  • From phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Ed Vance on Fri Oct 25 10:52:48 2024
    Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: Ed Vance to phigan on Fri Oct 25 2024 10:09 am

    Thought anchovies would have a salty
    taste. Do they?

    Yes. That's basically all it is. When
    you add pineapple it becomes salty and
    sweet. Just thinking about it is makin'
    me hungry!

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  • From Codefenix@VERT/CONCHAOS to phigan on Fri Oct 25 17:04:36 2024
    Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: phigan to Ed Vance on Thu Oct 24 2024 09:30 pm

    You know what's better on pizza? Anchovies and pineapple.

    I tried pineapple on pizza a couple years ago, and I'll be damned if it's not a new favorite topping of mine now.

    Anchovies is a bridge too far though. Maybe someday.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to ED VANCE on Fri Oct 25 10:07:00 2024
    Back in the 1950's grocery stores in the summertime didn't have air conditioning, just one or two cans in the store.
    The liquid didn't get cool enuf to gel.

    Ahh, that'd explain it!

    I would slurp the gel down if that was in the can when I opened it.
    Vienna Sausage juice and Mushroom juice both have a salty taste that I like.

    There are things that I like that are salty but I cannot think of any
    "drinks" I like that are. ;)


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to ED VANCE on Fri Oct 25 15:48:00 2024
    About liver: one time when I was in elementry school when I was at a friend's house for a class project , his mom fixed liver for supper.
    I wasn't going to eat the liver, he told me his mom makes it taste really good
    So I tried it and actually liked the taste and ate it all.

    When I was younger we had liver a lot. I did not really like it, but
    sometimes it was ok. It turned out it depended on if it was beef liver or chicken liver. I cannot tell you which one I liked now but the one that
    was always dry and tough to chew was the one I did not like.

    I also like Braunswager (sp?), which is a liver pate.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to TINY on Fri Oct 25 16:22:00 2024
    You know what's better on pizza? Anchovies and pineapple.

    Anchovies yes. Pineapple no. Wife and grandson (and kid)
    all like pineapple. I've tried it, I can eat it. I don't like it.

    I do not like the taste, or texture, of pineapple. Oddly, I do like the
    taste of ham that has been cooked in pineapple juice, just as long as I
    don't have to eat any pineapple chunks. :)

    Pineapple in pizza is a big no-no for me. If it is on a pizza that has a
    lot of other toppings, I will pick it off. If it is one of the few
    toppings, I probably won't try to eat it unless the cheese is good.

    My father used to buy orange juice that was wattered down with pineapple
    or grapefruit juice (depending on what he bought). He'd always get upset
    that I could tell the difference and would not drink it.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Ed Vance on Fri Oct 25 19:01:35 2024
    Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: Ed Vance to phigan on Fri Oct 25 2024 10:09 am

    I have ate pizza that had pineapple and ham on it.

    Pineapple and Canadian bacon is common where I am (and it's often called Hawaiian pizza). I feel like pineapple and ham is a little less common here.

    Nightfox

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to Nightfox on Fri Oct 25 21:57:17 2024
    Nightfox wrote to Ed Vance <=-

    Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: Ed Vance to phigan on Fri Oct 25 2024 10:09 am

    I have ate pizza that had pineapple and ham on it.

    Pineapple and Canadian bacon is common where I am (and it's often
    called Hawaiian pizza). I feel like pineapple and ham is a little less common here.

    I think "Canadian bacon" and ham are basically the same thing.



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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Ed Vance on Fri Oct 25 08:17:00 2024
    Hello Ed Vance!

    When liver was on the menu I got a piece of liver to give to my friend.

    Why couldn't he stand in line and get it himself?


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Gamgee on Fri Oct 25 21:13:55 2024
    Re: Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Fri Oct 25 2024 09:57 pm

    Pineapple and Canadian bacon is common where I am (and it's often called
    Hawaiian pizza). I feel like pineapple and ham is a little less common
    here.

    I think "Canadian bacon" and ham are basically the same thing.

    They're close, but a bit different. I've only ever seen Canadian bacon cut as thin round pieces, but ham could be cut in various sizes (usually cubed or rectangular, from what I've seen). Also, I think the texture and flavor is slightly different.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ogg on Sat Oct 26 01:47:50 2024
    Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: Ogg to Ed Vance on Fri Oct 25 2024 08:17 am

    Hello Ed Vance!

    When liver was on the menu I got a piece of liver to give to my friend.

    Why couldn't he stand in line and get it himself?

    that would be too easy!
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ed Vance on Sat Oct 26 01:49:42 2024
    Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: Ed Vance to MRO on Thu Oct 24 2024 07:41 pm

    Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: Ed Vance to MRO on Sun Oct 20 2024 07:09 pm

    i'm sure vienna sausage water and mushroom water is just as gross or worse than hotdog water.
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    Depends on what a person likes.

    When I was in the Service a fellow in my company would go to the chow hall the same time as I did.
    We sat and talked about things we like or dislike.
    He said he didn't care for steak and I told him that I didn't like the taste of liver.
    He said he loved liver .
    After that when steak was on the menu he would get a steak and give it to me when we got to a table.
    (The servers in the chow line said they couldn't give 2 steaks on a serving, but after someone finished eating they could come back in the line and get served another steak.
    When liver was on the menu I got a piece of liver to give to my friend.

    And YES!, I love Mushrooms on Steak, and Mushroom Gravy on Mashed Potatoes.

    About liver: one time when I was in elementry school when I was at a friend's house for a class project , his mom fixed liver for supper.
    I wasn't going to eat the liver, he told me his mom makes it taste really good. So I tried it and actually liked the taste and ate it all.

    I like Mushrooms on Pizza.
    I also like Popcorn Shrimp. Don't have to mess with the shrimp tails and get to eat all of the shrimp pieces on my plate.

    Also like BBQ Chicken Pizza too.
    Suits me.
    Ed


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Sat Oct 26 01:50:47 2024
    Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: Dumas Walker to TINY on Fri Oct 25 2024 04:22 pm

    You know what's better on pizza? Anchovies and pineapple.

    Anchovies yes. Pineapple no. Wife and grandson (and kid)
    all like pineapple. I've tried it, I can eat it. I don't like it.

    I do not like the taste, or texture, of pineapple. Oddly, I do like the taste of ham that has been cooked in pineapple juice, just as long as I don't have to eat any pineapple chunks. :)

    Pineapple in pizza is a big no-no for me. If it is on a pizza that has a lot of other toppings, I will pick it off. If it is one of the few toppings, I probably won't try to eat it unless the cheese is good.

    My father used to buy orange juice that was wattered down with pineapple
    or grapefruit juice (depending on what he bought). He'd always get upset that I could tell the difference and would not drink it.



    man i love pineapple. i like it in the can. the dole kind are good. then i drink the juice or sugar water. regular fresh pineapple ia a bit acidic for me.
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  • From Tiny@VERT/PHARCYDE to Dumas Walker on Sat Oct 26 06:40:11 2024
    Hi Dumas,
    In a message to Ed Vance you wrote:

    When I was younger we had liver a lot. I did not really like it, but sometimes it was ok. It turned out it depended on if it was beef
    liver or chicken liver. I cannot tell you which one I liked now but
    was always dry and tough to chew was the one I did not like.

    IT was cooked incorrectly, but I'd assume you liked the Chicken liver
    more. My wife will eat chicken liver but beef and pork is too strong
    for her.

    I also like Braunswager (sp?), which is a liver pate.

    I make chopped liver with chicken livers often, it's something we
    both like especially when sick.

    I can post a recipe if you're interested.

    Shawn

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  • From Tiny@VERT/PHARCYDE to Dumas Walker on Sat Oct 26 06:40:11 2024
    Hi Dumas,
    On <Sat, 25 Oct 24>, you wrote me:

    I do not like the taste, or texture, of pineapple. Oddly, I do like
    the taste of ham that has been cooked in pineapple juice, just as
    don't have to eat any pineapple chunks. :)

    Andrea loves cooked pineapple, but she can't eat it raw at all. I like
    it raw and cooked but not on pizza. hahahaha

    My father used to buy orange juice that was wattered down with
    pineapple or grapefruit juice (depending on what he bought). He'd
    always get upset
    that I could tell the difference and would not drink it.

    I remember when that was popular, I have had it but like you I don't like it. I prefer OJ to be all orange. Of course vodka is a great addition too, but
    I don't drink anymore.

    Shawn

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  • From Accession@VERT/PHARCYDE to Dumas Walker on Sat Oct 26 08:01:02 2024
    On Fri, Oct 25 15:07:00 -0500, you wrote:

    There are things that I like that are salty but I cannot think of any "drinks" I like that are. ;)

    Margaritas! ARRIBA LA BOMBA! :)

    Regards,
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Sat Oct 26 07:40:00 2024
    Nightfox wrote to Ed Vance <=-

    Pineapple and Canadian bacon is common where I am (and it's often
    called Hawaiian pizza). I feel like pineapple and ham is a little less common here.

    Out here, a pineapple + Canadian bacon pizza has an option for
    Jalapenos. Salty, sweet and spicy.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Gamgee on Sat Oct 26 07:42:00 2024
    Gamgee wrote to Nightfox <=-

    I think "Canadian bacon" and ham are basically the same thing.

    Canadian bacon comes from the back. Ham is typically the hind leg.


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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Dumas Walker on Sat Oct 26 10:36:25 2024
    Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: Dumas Walker to ED VANCE on Fri Oct 25 2024 03:48 pm

    When I was younger we had liver a lot. I did not really like it, but sometimes it was ok. It turned out it depended on if it was beef liver or chicken liver. I cannot tell you which one I liked now but the one that was always dry and tough to chew was the one I did not like.

    Duck liver and Turkeyliver are my favorites.

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Dumas Walker on Sat Oct 26 10:44:20 2024
    Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: Dumas Walker to TINY on Fri Oct 25 2024 04:22 pm

    Pineapple in pizza is a big no-no for me. If it is on a pizza that has a lot of other toppings, I will pick it off. If it is one of the few toppings, I probably won't try to eat it unless the cheese is good.


    I love pinapple, I eat a lot of pineapple.
    I put pineapple in cottage cheese YUM!

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Oct 26 11:38:43 2024
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Gamgee wrote to Nightfox <=-

    I think "Canadian bacon" and ham are basically the same thing.

    Canadian bacon comes from the back. Ham is typically the hind leg.

    Yes, OK, but.... they are very similar in look/taste, regardless of
    anatomical origin from the pig.



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  • From Ed Vance@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Ogg on Sat Oct 26 11:45:01 2024
    Hello Ed Vance!

    Why couldn't he stand in line and get it himself?

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    He did get a serving of liver when in the chow line.
    I got one so he wouldn't have to go back in the chow line to get his second serving
    If he wanted a third piece of liver he would return to the line to get it.
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  • From Ed Vance@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Nightfox on Sat Oct 26 11:49:48 2024
    Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: Ed Vance to phigan on Fri Oct 25 2024 10:09 am

    Pineapple and Canadian bacon is common where I am (and it's often called Hawaiian pizza). I feel like pineapple and ham is a little less common here.

    Nightfox

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    It was Canadian Bacon, I was just too lazy to spell out CB and wrote Ham.

    I like CB on pizzas too!
    with Mushrooms of course.
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  • From Ed Vance@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Sat Oct 26 12:15:19 2024
    Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: Ed Vance to MRO on Thu Oct 24 2024 07:41 pm

    Like the time I caught the ferry to Shelbyville? I needed a new heel for m'shoe. So I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. "Gimme five bees for a quarter," you'd say. Now where were we? Oh, yeah. The important thing was that I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn't have any white onions, because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...
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    You made me wonder what area You live at.
    I was born in late 1941 and never heard of the Bumblebee Nickel or the style of having Onion on the Belt .
    If You care to enlighten Me.
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  • From Ed Vance@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Tiny on Sat Oct 26 12:19:57 2024
    Hi Dumas,
    In a message to Ed Vance you wrote:

    IT was cooked incorrectly, but I'd assume you liked the Chicken liver
    more. My wife will eat chicken liver but beef and pork is too strong
    for her.

    I make chopped liver with chicken livers often, it's something we
    both like especially when sick.

    I can post a recipe if you're interested.

    Shawn

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    Beef Liver is the meat I am talking about.
    I have tried Chicken Liver too and don't like it either.
    Now Chicken Gizzards is a different subject, I like those Gizzards.
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  • From Ed Vance@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Sat Oct 26 13:06:03 2024
    You made me wonder what area You live at.
    I was born in late 1941 and never heard of the Bumblebee Nickel or the style of having Onion on the Belt .
    If You care to enlighten Me.
    Ed

    The search results on DuckDuckGo shows that You wrote a phrase that was said in a TV Show or Movie about the Cartoon Family, The Simpsons.

    I only saw that show once.
    The first episode.
    I never cared to watch it again.
    If You like it, You like it. I don't.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tiny on Sat Oct 26 20:33:38 2024
    Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: Tiny to Dumas Walker on Sat Oct 26 2024 06:40 am

    I make chopped liver with chicken livers often, it's something we
    both like especially when sick.

    I can post a recipe if you're interested.


    yeah post it, i'm interested in experimenting with it.
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  • From Amessyroom@VERT/TL-QWK to Denn on Sat Oct 26 22:52:14 2024
    Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: Denn to Dumas Walker on Sat Oct 26 2024 10:44 am

    I love pinapple, I eat a lot of pineapple.
    I put pineapple in cottage cheese YUM!

    I'm with you there on that combination. My wife hates cottage cheese though. LOL
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Ed Vance on Sun Oct 27 01:07:06 2024
    Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: Ed Vance to MRO on Sat Oct 26 2024 12:15 pm

    You made me wonder what area You live at.
    I was born in late 1941 and never heard of the Bumblebee Nickel or the style of having Onion on the Belt .
    If You care to enlighten Me.

    Mro was joshing you.
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  • From Tiny@VERT/PHARCYDE to Ed Vance on Sun Oct 27 06:57:08 2024
    Hi Ed,
    On <Sun, 26 Oct 24>, you wrote me:

    Beef Liver is the meat I am talking about. I have tried Chicken Liver
    too and don't like it either. Now Chicken Gizzards is a different subject, I like those Gizzards. Ed

    They are good! I live above an asian grocery so we get some pretty
    good deals on gizzards and livers etc. They sell parts of animals I
    didn't know you could eat. LOL

    Shawn

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  • From Tiny@VERT/PHARCYDE to Mro on Sun Oct 27 06:57:08 2024
    Hi Mro,
    On <Sun, 26 Oct 24>, you wrote me:

    I can post a recipe if you're interested.
    yeah post it, i'm interested in experimenting with it.

    Ignore all spelling mistakes etc. This is one a friend of mine
    make at the apartment once, and I took notes. One day I will
    clean up those recipes.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06 by AccuChef (tm)

    Title: Chopped Liver (Original by HeatherR)
    Categories: Meats,Shawn
    Yield: 1 Servings

    1 Or two packaged liver
    4-6 Onion
    2 Hard eggs,Boiled
    2 T Mayo
    Salt and pepper,To Taste

    Rinse livers until water until they run clean. If using beef liver
    consider soaking in milk for a bit as well.

    Fry livers until done (slightly pink) and set aside to cool.

    Fry onion in meduim heat in LOTS of oil (almost poaching them)

    Hard boil the eggs peel and cool

    Chop livers in food processor, stir in mayo, crumble in eggs, drump
    in all oil and onion from pan. salt pepper to taste.

    You can either blend again to make a pate or leave the eggs, onion etc
    whole for more texture. I prefer to blend the shit out of it while it
    looks like a pile of crap it tastes great.

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to Ed Vance on Sun Oct 27 09:26:08 2024
    Ed Vance wrote to Tiny <=-

    IT was cooked incorrectly, but I'd assume you liked the Chicken liver
    more. My wife will eat chicken liver but beef and pork is too strong
    for her.

    I make chopped liver with chicken livers often, it's something we
    both like especially when sick.

    I can post a recipe if you're interested.

    Beef Liver is the meat I am talking about.
    I have tried Chicken Liver too and don't like it either.
    Now Chicken Gizzards is a different subject, I like those Gizzards.

    The only purpose in eating any form of liver is to prevent death by starvation. Something that would be done only in the last throes of extremism. Even then it is debateable as to whether I would eat it.

    That goes double for gizzards. In fact, I choose starvation.



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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to Tiny on Sun Oct 27 09:26:08 2024
    Tiny wrote to Ed Vance <=-

    Beef Liver is the meat I am talking about. I have tried Chicken Liver
    too and don't like it either. Now Chicken Gizzards is a different
    subject, I like those Gizzards. Ed

    They are good! I live above an asian grocery so we get some pretty
    good deals on gizzards and livers etc. They sell parts of animals I didn't know you could eat. LOL

    Those are two good examples of parts of animals you can't eat.

    Might as well have a side of hooves and beaks while you're at it. :-)



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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Sun Oct 27 15:25:00 2024
    I do not like the taste, or texture, of pineapple. Oddly, I do like the

    man i love pineapple. i like it in the can. the dole kind are good. then i drink the juice or sugar water. regular fresh pineapple ia a bit acidic for me.

    I have been known to eat them when they are in a can of fruit cocktail.
    While I still don't like the texture, they are sweet enough that way I can tolerate it. ;)


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to TINY on Sun Oct 27 15:46:00 2024
    My father used to buy orange juice that was wattered down with
    pineapple or grapefruit juice (depending on what he bought). He'd always get upset
    that I could tell the difference and would not drink it.

    I remember when that was popular, I have had it but like you I don't like it.
    I prefer OJ to be all orange.

    Yes it was. If my father was buying it, it must have been during a time
    when pineapple and grapefruit juice was cheaper than orange juice.
    Otherwise, I am pretty sure he wouldn't have been buying it and trying to
    pass it off as OJ.

    Of course vodka is a great addition too, but I don't drink anymore.

    I don't drink that often, either, but have been known to mix vodka or
    tequila with it.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to ACCESSION on Sun Oct 27 15:47:00 2024
    There are things that I like that are salty but I cannot think of any "drinks" I like that are. ;)

    Margaritas! ARRIBA LA BOMBA! :)

    I usually order mine without the salt on the rim. I have had them that
    way, too, and won't complain about it. ;)


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  • From phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Codefenix on Sun Oct 27 15:28:23 2024
    Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: Codefenix to phigan on Fri Oct 25 2024 05:04 pm

    Anchovies is a bridge too far though. Maybe someday.

    Add some salty to that sweet! You could try Spam first. It's not quite the same thing, though. Still good.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Sun Oct 27 21:17:06 2024
    Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: Dumas Walker to TINY on Sun Oct 27 2024 03:46 pm

    My father used to buy orange juice that was wattered down with pineapple or grapefruit juice (depending on what he bought). He'd always get upset
    that I could tell the difference and would not drink it.

    I remember when that was popular, I have had it but like you I don't like it.
    I prefer OJ to be all orange.

    Yes it was. If my father was buying it, it must have been during a time when pineapple and grapefruit juice was cheaper than orange juice. Otherwise, I am pretty sure he wouldn't have been buying it and trying to pass it off as OJ.


    maybe he just liked it for himself.
    i'm not sure when they started doing this but do you know that orange juice is the most processed type of juice? they put the liquid in a tank and seal it in a vaccume and then it loses all it's flavor. then they add a 'flavor packet' which is pretty much chemicals extracted from peels. the most natural version of orange juice is from concentrate which is processed as well. they introduce water into orange juice pulp.

    i would think pineapple and grapefruit juice are more expensive than orange juice to produce.
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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to MRO on Mon Oct 28 08:33:21 2024
    MRO wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    Yes it was. If my father was buying it, it must have been during a time when pineapple and grapefruit juice was cheaper than orange juice. Otherwise, I am pretty sure he wouldn't have been buying it and trying to pass it off as OJ.

    maybe he just liked it for himself.
    i'm not sure when they started doing this but do you know that orange juice is the most processed type of juice? they put the liquid in a
    tank and seal it in a vaccume and then it loses all it's flavor. then they add a 'flavor packet' which is pretty much chemicals extracted
    from peels. the most natural version of orange juice is from
    concentrate which is processed as well. they introduce water into
    orange juice pulp.

    Ummmmm..... no.

    Maybe the OJ that *you* drink is that way. The "most natural" kind of
    OJ is called "fresh squeezed". If you haven't had that, you really
    haven't had orange juice.



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  • From Codefenix@VERT/CONCHAOS to phigan on Mon Oct 28 10:48:39 2024
    Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: phigan to Codefenix on Sun Oct 27 2024 03:28 pm

    Add some salty to that sweet! You could try Spam first. It's not quite the same thing, though. Still good.

    Spam actually used to be a weekly staple in my childhood.

    People have talked badly about Spam for decades. I thought it was all right.

    Never considered it as a pizza topping, if that's what you mean. Maybe I'll try it on my next homemade one.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Dumas Walker on Mon Oct 28 07:25:00 2024
    Dumas Walker wrote to TINY <=-

    I don't drink that often, either, but have been known to mix vodka or tequila with it.

    I've been working in Oakland, CA recently - a town I lived in for many
    years before moving to the coast.

    I walked by Cafe Van Kleef, a funky bar we used to go to. Little Shop of Horrors design, lots of coolhip people, live music on an elevated stage,
    and Salty Dogs.

    They'd take 2 grapefruits, squeeze them into a pint glass with ice, add
    a shot of vodka, salt the rim, and add a grapefruit wedge as garnish.

    Heavenly.

    The first time I went there, during the band's break, Hot Pink Feathers,
    a local burlesque dance troupe did their carnaval routine as a warmup
    for the parade the following week.

    The second time I went there, I felt lucky getting a parking place in
    front - it was in a semi-dodgy part of downtown, at least at night.

    Around 12:30am, the bartender asked if anyone drove the gold toyota
    parked out front.

    I went out to see the aftermath of the bouncer bouncing someone, him
    coming back to get his friends, the bouncer beating them all off, and
    they bidding a hasty retreat - across the tops of several cars parked in
    front. Trunk, hood, roof all stove in, windshield broken. Insurance did
    me well, though, to the tune of $9000.

    I went back in to the bar to get us another round of Salty Dogs. The
    bartender said "$24.50". I pointed at my car, and she said "On the
    house"...

    Good Times.






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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to phigan on Mon Oct 28 07:28:00 2024
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    Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: Codefenix to phigan on Fri Oct 25 2024 05:04 pm

    Anchovies is a bridge too far though. Maybe someday.

    Add some salty to that sweet! You could try Spam first. It's not quite
    the same thing, though. Still good.

    My wife's birthday was this weekend, and we went to a restaurant in Carmel-by-the-sea last night. I had the Osso Bucco, she the risotto. We
    split a Caesar salad, and couldn't place why it was so good.

    The anchovies were fresh.

    We live near Monterey, where Cannery Row was where all of the anchovy
    and sardine canneries thrived in the early 20th century. They must still
    be able to harvest some, because this anchovy wasn't oily, didn't have
    that musky, fishy taste - it was much lighter, much more complex. Very interesting.



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Oct 29 06:36:28 2024
    Re: Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dumas Walker on Mon Oct 28 2024 07:25 am

    The first time I went there, during the band's break, Hot Pink Feathers,
    a local burlesque dance troupe did their carnaval routine as a warmup
    for the parade the following week.

    coming back to get his friends, the bouncer beating them all off, and
    they bidding a hasty retreat - across the tops of several cars parked in


    the bouncer beat them all off? are you sure this wasnt SF?

    you hang out in some crazy places dude.
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to MRO on Tue Oct 29 11:21:27 2024
    Re: Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Oct 29 2024 06:36 am

    the bouncer beat them all off?

    His name was Jack Meoff after all.
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  • From phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Codefenix on Tue Oct 29 11:41:58 2024
    Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: Codefenix to phigan on Mon Oct 28 2024 10:48 am

    Never considered it as a pizza toppi
    if that's what you mean. Maybe I'll
    it on my next homemade one.

    Yeah, Spam and pineapple.

    Dunno why it has such a bad rep.
    Everyone in Hawaii loved it :). But it
    -is- meat in a can.

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  • From phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Oct 29 11:47:00 2024
    Re: Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to phigan on Mon Oct 28 2024 07:28 am

    early 20th century. They must still
    be able to harvest some, because thi
    anchovy wasn't oily, didn't have
    that musky, fishy taste - it was muc
    lighter, much more complex. Very

    You can get them like that from the
    store, too.. they are just more
    expensive. They're kinda big and more
    white.
    Delicious!

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  • From Codefenix@VERT/CONCHAOS to phigan on Tue Oct 29 17:30:08 2024
    Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: phigan to Codefenix on Tue Oct 29 2024 11:41 am

    Dunno why it has such a bad rep.
    Everyone in Hawaii loved it :). But it
    -is- meat in a can.

    As tuna often is. People don't seem to have as big a problem with that though.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Digital Man on Tue Oct 29 20:50:33 2024
    Re: Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: Digital Man to MRO on Tue Oct 29 2024 11:21 am

    Re: Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Oct 29 2024 06:36 am

    the bouncer beat them all off?

    His name was Jack Meoff after all.

    if the bouncer beats everyone off that must be a hell of a cover charge!
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  • From KnightMare@VERT/TELEGRAP to Codefenix on Sat Nov 9 01:13:28 2024
    Re: Copycat Benihana Style S
    By: Codefenix to phigan on Tue Oct 29 2024 05:30 pm

    Dunno why it has such a bad rep.
    Everyone in Hawaii loved it :). But it
    -is- meat in a can.

    As tuna often is. People don't seem to have as big a problem with that though.

    Exactly - there's nothing wrong w/ either.

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