• How much time is AI reall

    From Mike Powell@1:2320/107 to All on Fri Mar 13 10:45:12 2026
    How much time is AI really saving your workers? Apparently just 16 minutes a week as 'time saved generating content is being absorbed by the time
    required to trust it'

    Date:
    Fri, 13 Mar 2026 11:25:00 +0000

    Description:
    Although AI is savings workers hours per week on actual content generation time, they're spending most of that saved time fact-checking.

    FULL STORY
    Workers and execs are only getting 14-16 minutes of net time savings from AI, report claims
    Most saved time is being spent fact-checking and validating output
    Most executives say they plan on retraining and upskilling workers

    Most execs (89%) and workers (79%) now agree that while AI is improving productivity , but exactly how much time they're saving is up for debate.

    New research from Foxit suggests the real time gains could be minimal
    compared to the potential, simply because of the amount of time workers are having to devote to trusting and understanding AI tools . Per the report's data, execs have only been gaining 16 minutes per week, and workers just 14 minutes, despite AI's bold claims.

    AI isn't actually saving you that much time... yet -- On the flip side,
    execs were spending four hours and 20 minutes validating outputs, with
    workers spending an equally-significant three hours and 50 minutes checking generated content.

    Foxit calls this a 'verification burden', where the time saved by creating content is being offset by fact-checking and making other corrections.

    Even though they're spending more time verifying, 60% of executives say
    they're highly confident in AI outputs, but only around one in three workers are confident. This lack of trust was the second-biggest AI barrier, cited by 34% of workers, with data privacy and security concerns (36%) slightly
    pipping it. Accuracy concerns (25%) were also raised.

    But change could be on the horizon, with nearly three-quarters (72%) of executives focusing on retraining or upskilling employees to handle AI. Are
    you a pro?

    "The next phase of document intelligence wont be defined by more AI features, but by embedding accurate, transparent intelligence directly into workflows," Marketing SVP Evan Reiss wrote, "reducing validation time while keeping
    humans firmly in control."

    Link to news story: https://www.techradar.com/pro/how-much-time-is-ai-really-saving-your-workers-a pparently-just-16-minutes-a-week-as-time-saved-generating-content-is-being-abs orbed-by-the-time-required-to-trust-it

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/107 to MIKE POWELL on Sun Mar 15 15:51:58 2026
    How much time is AI really saving your workers? Apparently just 16 minutes a
    >week as 'time saved generating content is being absorbed by the time
    >required to trust it'

    On our national news the other night they had an 'expert' on who
    said that AI is putting a lot more stress on the workers and is
    not doing anything close to what is being reported.

    In one case they compared actual total production before AI and
    then again this year with so many using it and the increase in
    production was only 0.4%. (Less than 1/2 of one percent).

    But I can't find that story online now for exact details..
    Most links are to predictions that AI will increase productivity
    by something like 40%, but I assume this story was about that
    not happening.

    It sounded like in general AI was doing more stuff faster, but
    that the end result was greatly slowed down by actual people
    trying to verify the accuracy of what the AI had done, and they
    are stressed like crazy because it's coming in so fast they are
    killing themselves trying to keep on top of it.

    Another story aso went into some of the simplest things that
    AI is terrible at doing. In one example they asked an AI system
    something like how many L's were in the word 'Collectively' and
    it came up with several different answers each time asked.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/107 to ROB MCCART on Mon Mar 16 10:05:40 2026
    How much time is AI really saving your workers? Apparently just 16 minutes
    >week as 'time saved generating content is being absorbed by the time
    >required to trust it'

    On our national news the other night they had an 'expert' on who
    said that AI is putting a lot more stress on the workers and is
    not doing anything close to what is being reported.

    Yeah, I can see that. I have been using it some recently for a project. Interacting with the claude.ai website has been the least stressful, in
    part because its answers seem more trustworthy.

    Something I have noticed with a few others... when you are about to hit
    your daily/weekly/monthly limit, it will start giving answers that are
    more vague, or "more wrong," causing you to ask it more questions for clarification. I have seen that with at least two models now and suspect
    they do it on purpose to force you to run out.

    That said, claude.ai has yet to do this on a free account.

    In one case they compared actual total production before AI and
    then again this year with so many using it and the increase in
    production was only 0.4%. (Less than 1/2 of one percent).

    I am not too surprised. I think in a lot of fields, management is in a
    rush to save money/time but the fields in question are not ones that AI is aptly suited for yet. As best as I can tell, they are somewhat good at
    coding (some more than others) and are fairly good at helping you find
    other related issues... like translating an unfamiliar compile error... but
    I would not trust them with a whole lot.

    But I can't find that story online now for exact details..
    Most links are to predictions that AI will increase productivity
    by something like 40%, but I assume this story was about that
    not happening.

    That is what the story I posted seemed to be indicating... maybe not that
    exact number but that productivity was expected to go up by a lot but went
    up by a lot less due to trust and verification issues.

    It sounded like in general AI was doing more stuff faster, but
    that the end result was greatly slowed down by actual people
    trying to verify the accuracy of what the AI had done, and they
    are stressed like crazy because it's coming in so fast they are
    killing themselves trying to keep on top of it.

    Yes, and you still very much need to verify the accuracy before just
    following the rules. The other day, I was look an air frier recipe up
    online. Google's AI assistant (Gemini, or whatever you get from them for
    free with a google search) was suggesting that I add oil to the air frier
    pan.

    As I was not trying to make fire, I did not do so!

    I strongly suspect it gets a lot of professional things similarly wrong.
    One thing I particular that I have heard mentioned is that most models are *not* good at counting things. So they might tell you "here are four
    options" but only list three, which immediately makes you question if they
    left an option off or just counted them wrong to begin with.

    Another story aso went into some of the simplest things that
    AI is terrible at doing. In one example they asked an AI system
    something like how many L's were in the word 'Collectively' and
    it came up with several different answers each time asked.

    Yes, that is the one I was referencing above... they have difficulty
    counting things like that which, IMHO, might also make them bad at
    verifying test results.

    Mike

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  • From Max Stubbs@1:103/705 to Mike Powell on Mon Mar 16 11:53:17 2026
    Re: How much time is AI reall
    By: Mike Powell to ROB MCCART on Mon Mar 16 2026 10:05 am

    Yeah color me highly skeptical of any
    of the supposed benefits of AI for the
    average joe, in particular LLMs. I
    personally find those of my coworkers
    who use them do so mindlessly and
    slavishly.

    I still don't know how people can see
    these things hallucinate every third
    answer and think that the results it
    spits out from their prompts are
    flawless nd unimpeachable. Blows my
    mind.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/107 to MAX STUBBS on Tue Mar 17 09:52:40 2026
    Yeah color me highly skeptical of any of the supposed benefits of AI for the average joe, in particular LLMs. I personally find those of my coworkers who use them do so mindlessly and slavishly.

    I am skeptical about many AI claims. Today, I started to post an article
    here where a CEO was claiming that AI was going to take over the customer service market and put most customer service reps out of their jobs.

    However, as I read it, I realized that this CEO is the leader of a company
    that is selling that actual service -- replacing human customer service
    workers with AI -- so of course he would say that. It was really a fluff
    piece for his business. :(


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  • From Max Stubbs@1:103/705 to Mike Powell on Tue Mar 17 10:10:04 2026
    Re: How much time is AI reall
    By: Mike Powell to MAX STUBBS on Tue Mar 17 2026 09:52 am

    Nailed it. The "AI" industry is a lot
    of smoke, mirrors, grift, infringement,
    and outright corruption. I'm not saying
    the tech isn't going to revolutionize
    the industry; I'm just saying it's
    going to blow up in our faces first.


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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/107 to MIKE POWELL on Wed Mar 18 08:16:45 2026
    On our national news the other night they had an 'expert' on who
    >> said that AI is putting a lot more stress on the workers and is
    >> not doing anything close to what is being reported.

    I am not too surprised. I think in a lot of fields, management is in a
    >rush to save money/time but the fields in question are not ones that AI is
    >aptly suited for yet.

    I think a lot of companies don't want to be left behind and end
    up trying to do things with it that are not suited, or are not
    waiting until the AI has been fully tested. All the AI providers
    want to be first and don't seem to care if they are not 'best'..

    Yes, and you still very much need to verify the accuracy before just
    >following the rules. The other day, I was look an air frier recipe up
    >online. Google's AI assistant (Gemini, or whatever you get from them for
    >free with a google search) was suggesting that I add oil to the air frier
    >pan.

    As I was not trying to make fire, I did not do so!

    Ha.. yes, and they are running into similar problems when people ask
    AI for medical advice.

    Another story aso went into some of the simplest things that
    >> AI is terrible at doing. In one example they asked an AI system
    >> something like how many L's were in the word 'Collectively' and
    >> it came up with several different answers each time asked.

    Yes, that is the one I was referencing above... they have difficulty
    >counting things like that which, IMHO, might also make them bad at
    >verifying test results.

    4 out of 3 people can't do math... B)

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/107 to MAX STUBBS on Wed Mar 18 10:06:19 2026
    Nailed it. The "AI" industry is a lot of smoke, mirrors, grift, infringement, and outright corruption. I'm not saying the tech isn't going to revolutionize the industry; I'm just saying it's going to blow up in our faces first.

    I think that covers a lot of what it is being used for, and also at least
    some of the companies providing it. I have not been impressed in
    particular by a couple of companies who've been all too keen to hop in bed
    with the US Government over the past year or so, for example, when it comes
    to handling of taxpayer data and being used for autonomous weapons.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/107 to ROB MCCART on Wed Mar 18 10:06:19 2026
    I am not too surprised. I think in a lot of fields, management is in a
    >rush to save money/time but the fields in question are not ones that AI is
    >aptly suited for yet.

    I think a lot of companies don't want to be left behind and end
    up trying to do things with it that are not suited, or are not
    waiting until the AI has been fully tested. All the AI providers
    want to be first and don't seem to care if they are not 'best'..

    Well, if they see a payday they certainly are not likely to point out that
    they are not the "best" for the task. :D

    Yes, and you still very much need to verify the accuracy before just
    >following the rules. The other day, I was look an air frier recipe up
    >online. Google's AI assistant (Gemini, or whatever you get from them for
    >free with a google search) was suggesting that I add oil to the air frier
    >pan.

    As I was not trying to make fire, I did not do so!

    Ha.. yes, and they are running into similar problems when people ask
    AI for medical advice.

    Yep!

    Another story aso went into some of the simplest things that
    >> AI is terrible at doing. In one example they asked an AI system
    >> something like how many L's were in the word 'Collectively' and
    >> it came up with several different answers each time asked.

    Yes, that is the one I was referencing above... they have difficulty
    >counting things like that which, IMHO, might also make them bad at
    >verifying test results.

    4 out of 3 people can't do math... B)

    Something like that. You would think that would be an easier task but I
    guess there must be more to it than I would think.

    Mike

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/107 to MIKE POWELL on Fri Mar 20 08:15:12 2026
    I am skeptical about many AI claims. Today, I started to post an article
    >here where a CEO was claiming that AI was going to take over the customer
    >service market and put most customer service reps out of their jobs.

    However, as I read it, I realized that this CEO is the leader of a company
    >that is selling that actual service -- replacing human customer service
    >workers with AI -- so of course he would say that. It was really a fluff
    >piece for his business. :(

    There are a few places that I've dealt with where your first customer
    service contact is automated. In my experience Most of the time you
    get transferred to a live person fairly quickly because the AI can't
    handle anything but the most basic questions/tasks..

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/107 to ROB MCCART on Fri Mar 20 09:59:23 2026
    Something like that. You would think that would be an easier task but I
    >guess there must be more to it than I would think.

    Probably a case of the programmers concentrating on teaching AI the more difficult things and skipping over the more basic things.

    You are probably correct, although I would think that some of those "more difficult things" would involve AI needing at least basic math skills. ;)

    Mike


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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/107 to MIKE POWELL on Sun Mar 22 08:26:42 2026
    Probably a case of the programmers concentrating on teaching AI the more
    >> difficult things and skipping over the more basic things.

    You are probably correct, although I would think that some of those "more
    >difficult things" would involve AI needing at least basic math skills. ;)

    It is confusing. As you suggest, AI can usually do extremely complex
    math but they said that 'counting things' was not a strong point.

    Maybe it looks for info from too many places rather than looking
    at what's in front of it, and info from a lot of sources is more
    likely to contain some wrong data. Too many cooks, and all that.. B)

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/107 to ROB MCCART on Sun Mar 22 10:17:11 2026
    You are probably correct, although I would think that some of those "more
    >difficult things" would involve AI needing at least basic math skills. ;)

    It is confusing. As you suggest, AI can usually do extremely complex
    math but they said that 'counting things' was not a strong point.

    Maybe it looks for info from too many places rather than looking
    at what's in front of it, and info from a lot of sources is more
    likely to contain some wrong data. Too many cooks, and all that.. B)

    I was looking up some info on Google last night. It gave me an AI answer
    so I decided to go that route and see what it came up with. In addition to counting being a weak point, it apparently has difficulty with directions,
    too.

    It mentioned a couple of times that something was in the "Northwest" corner
    of an intersection. When I then looked it up on Google maps, I found it to
    be in the Southeast corner. ;)

    It also gave some other info that seemed to contradict the info that its
    own maps product provides.

    Mike


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  • From Max Stubbs@1:103/705 to Mike Powell on Mon Mar 23 09:47:49 2026
    Re: How much time is AI reall
    By: Mike Powell to ROB MCCART on Sun Mar 22 2026 10:17 am

    It also gave some other info that
    seemed to contradict the info that i
    own maps product provides.

    When I see how blindly my coworkers
    trust AI solutions without checking
    I worry about what large companies
    and those in power who do the same
    are doing, and the implications for us
    all.


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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/107 to MIKE POWELL on Tue Mar 24 08:01:22 2026
    I was looking up some info on Google last night. It gave me an AI answer
    >so I decided to go that route and see what it came up with. In addition to
    >counting being a weak point, it apparently has difficulty with directions,
    >too.

    It mentioned a couple of times that something was in the "Northwest" corner
    >of an intersection. When I then looked it up on Google maps, I found it to
    >be in the Southeast corner. ;)

    That added to that the fact that it reduses to say "I don't know..",
    and will substitute wrong info rather than give no info..

    Come to think of it.. I've known some people like that.. B)

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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Max Stubbs on Tue Mar 24 07:47:42 2026
    Max Stubbs wrote to Mike Powell <=-

    When I see how blindly my coworkers
    trust AI solutions without checking
    I worry about what large companies
    and those in power who do the same
    are doing, and the implications for us
    all.

    Garbage in, garbage out. I hope the LLMs aren't reading "Low Quality
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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/107 to MAX STUBBS on Tue Mar 24 11:24:37 2026
    It also gave some other info that seemed to contradict the info that i own maps product provides.

    When I see how blindly my coworkers trust AI solutions without checking
    I worry about what large companies
    and those in power who do the same
    are doing, and the implications for us all.

    Most workers know they need to check it. The more thurough ones will. The others... whether it be laziness or being distracted or lack of time...
    will not. That is where the dangers are.

    Mike


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  • From Max Stubbs@1:103/705 to Kurt Weiske on Wed Mar 25 07:11:06 2026
    Re: Re: How much time is AI reall
    By: Kurt Weiske to Max Stubbs on Tue Mar 24 2026 07:47 am

    Careful now, you're gonna make the LLMs
    even dumber than before.


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  • From Max Stubbs@1:103/705 to Mike Powell on Wed Mar 25 07:13:42 2026
    Re: How much time is AI reall
    By: Mike Powell to MAX STUBBS on Tue Mar 24 2026 11:24 am

    Most workers know they need to check
    it. The more thurough ones will. T
    others... whether it be laziness or
    being distracted or lack of time...
    will not. That is where the dangers
    are.
    You've got much more faith than I do
    in the Average American.


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