The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 23/02/2024 04:54, Indira wrote:

https://groups.google.com/g/comp.sys.raspberry-pi
Google Groups no longer supports new Usenet posts or subscriptions. Historical content remains viewable.

We can be thankful for small mercies.

An updated web-searchable no-login web-search archive that reports a unique URL *will need* to be located that allows people to search before posting to
the c.s.r-p. newsgroup & which allows unique references to recent articles.

Will need?

I don't believe I have searched a Usenet archive ever.

Way back before Google took it over DejaNews was actually very useful sometimes, Google made it more and more useless as time went on.

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On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 09:57:28 +0000
Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:

Way back before Google took it over DejaNews was actually very useful sometimes, Google made it more and more useless as time went on.

Yes can the raw data be retrieved to recreate DejaNews ? I'd throw
some storage and bandwidth into hosting a read-only mirror.

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On 23/02/2024 09:57, Chris Green wrote:

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 23/02/2024 04:54, Indira wrote:

https://groups.google.com/g/comp.sys.raspberry-pi
Google Groups no longer supports new Usenet posts or subscriptions.
Historical content remains viewable.

We can be thankful for small mercies.

An updated web-searchable no-login web-search archive that reports a unique >>> URL *will need* to be located that allows people to search before posting to
the c.s.r-p. newsgroup & which allows unique references to recent articles. >>

Will need?

I don't believe I have searched a Usenet archive ever.

Way back before Google took it over DejaNews was actually very useful sometimes, Google made it more and more useless as time went on.

Well, yes. Usenet is now a quiet little niche in the internet. I like
quiet and little

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wrong.

H.L.Mencken

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https://groups.google.com/g/comp.sys.raspberry-pi
Google Groups no longer supports new Usenet posts or subscriptions.
Historical content remains viewable.

An updated web-searchable no-login web-search archive that reports a unique
URL will need to be located that allows people to search before posting to
the c.s.r-p. newsgroup & which allows unique references to recent articles.
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You can probably all safely remove your Google Groups filters now.

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On 23/02/2024 04:54, Indira wrote:

https://groups.google.com/g/comp.sys.raspberry-pi
Google Groups no longer supports new Usenet posts or subscriptions. Historical content remains viewable.

We can be thankful for small mercies.

An updated web-searchable no-login web-search archive that reports a unique URL *will need* to be located that allows people to search before posting to the c.s.r-p. newsgroup & which allows unique references to recent articles.

Will need?

I don't believe I have searched a Usenet archive ever.



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the right place whilst your head is in the clouds and your hand is in
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Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:

Yes can the raw data be retrieved to recreate DejaNews ? I'd throw
some storage and bandwidth into hosting a read-only mirror.

There actually are a couple of pay servers which have 12 to 15 years
retention for text newsgroups and you probably would only need a one
month membership to get what you need. As for the older articles...

-jw-

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And now for something completely different...

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Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

I'll just put the Message-ID of where I replied in
comp.periphs.printers:
<65d93074@news.ausics.net>

You're wrong as each has different information, but this will help
anyone find your post about using a standard duckduckgo server using
that message id in these message-id search engines.

http://usenet.ovh/index.php?article=ual
http://news.chmurka.net/mid.php
http://al.howardknight.net/

But the problem isn't using the :site of Google or DuckDuckGo.

The problem is finding a purpose-built Usenet-specific search engine that anyone can use on any platform without needing to make their own engine.

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On 2024-02-23, Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 23/02/2024 04:54, Indira wrote:

https://groups.google.com/g/comp.sys.raspberry-pi
Google Groups no longer supports new Usenet posts or subscriptions.
Historical content remains viewable.

We can be thankful for small mercies.

+1

An updated web-searchable no-login web-search archive that reports a unique >>> URL *will need* to be located that allows people to search before posting to
the c.s.r-p. newsgroup & which allows unique references to recent articles. >>

Will need?

I don't believe I have searched a Usenet archive ever.

Way back before Google took it over DejaNews was actually very useful sometimes, Google made it more and more useless as time went on.

That's a standard technique when you're trying to kill something.
Make it more and more useless until nobody wants / cares about /
can use it anymore; then when you do kill it it won't be missed.

The local phone company used that technique to get rid of hard-copy
telephone directories. They split the white pages into multiple
books, each of which covered a subset of the local area so you'd
have to thumb through several volumes to find what you were looking
for. To add insult to injury, each volume included a complete
copy of the business pages - an incredible show of redundancy.
A couple of two-inch volumes turned into a foot-high stack, most of
which I would transfer directly from my doorstep to the recycle bin.

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Charlie Gibbs wrote:

We can be thankful for small mercies.

+1

-1

There was merit in having a Usenet-only keyword search engine that
was provided by dejanews (which Google took over) and which was available
to everyone with just a web browser, and which only searched Usenet and
which cost nothing which allowed the user to read the entire thread - not
just one post like Howard Knight does - and which allowed users to
reference the post to others who also had only a web browser,
etc).

If you want to search before you post, then there will probably be new
engines that come up, although none with the retention that Google had.

It has always been the case that the worst posters to Usenet were
never ones who searched before they posted anything, and for those
people, there was never (and will never) be a utility to a search engine.

For example
http://comp.sys.raspberry-pi.narkive.com

But that web site by David Cavion is no longer maintained once he got a full-time job and now has no time to maintain it.

The Usenet-only replacement search engine needs to be free to all, with
just a browser, not needing an account, and having infinite retention.

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Indira <indira@ghandi.net> wrote:

There was merit in having a Usenet-only keyword search engine that
was provided by dejanews (which Google took over) and which was available
to everyone with just a web browser, and which only searched Usenet and
which cost nothing which allowed the user to read the entire thread - not just one post like Howard Knight does - and which allowed users to
reference the post to others who also had only a web browser,
etc).

If you want to search before you post, then there will probably be new engines that come up, although none with the retention that Google had.

It has always been the case that the worst posters to Usenet were
never ones who searched before they posted anything, and for those
people, there was never (and will never) be a utility to a search engine.

For example
http://comp.sys.raspberry-pi.narkive.com

But that web site by David Cavion is no longer maintained once he got a full-time job and now has no time to maintain it.

The Usenet-only replacement search engine needs to be free to all, with
just a browser, not needing an account, and having infinite retention.

Oh boy, not only are you multi-posting the OP to different groups
(akin to what annoying Google Groups users used to do), but you're
copy-pasting your own responses in other groups down in the thread!
Instead of furthering this insanity by doubling up my own posts,
I'll just put the Message-ID of where I replied in
comp.periphs.printers:
<65d93074@news.ausics.net>

Please learn to cross-post if you wish to discuss things in
multiple groups. Though this topic is probably best restrained to
just one group where discussion of Usenet itself is intended.

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In article <20240223105222.5aa8f74676366fdf20290df7@eircom.net>, steveo@eircom.net says...

On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 09:57:28 +0000
Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:

Way back before Google took it over DejaNews was actually very useful sometimes, Google made it more and more useless as time went on.

Yes can the raw data be retrieved to recreate DejaNews ? I'd throw
some storage and bandwidth into hosting a read-only mirror.

At about 2.6TB uncompressed, this data certainly *appears* to have come
from within Google somehow based on having a look at the path headers on
a few articles:
https://archive.org/details/usenethistorical

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In article <ur9nsc$f035$1@dont-email.me>, tnp@invalid.invalid says...

On 23/02/2024 04:54, Indira wrote:

https://groups.google.com/g/comp.sys.raspberry-pi
Google Groups no longer supports new Usenet posts or subscriptions. Historical content remains viewable.

We can be thankful for small mercies.

An updated web-searchable no-login web-search archive that reports a unique URL *will need* to be located that allows people to search before posting to
the c.s.r-p. newsgroup & which allows unique references to recent articles.

Will need?

I don't believe I have searched a Usenet archive ever.

Depends on what you're doing I guess. As bad as the UI has been in
recent years I've found the Google Groups archive an invaluable research
tool in the absence of any kind of full-text search for the internet
archives wayback machine.

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David Goodwin wrote:

I don't believe I have searched a Usenet archive ever.

Depends on what you're doing I guess. As bad as the UI has been in
recent years I've found the Google Groups archive an invaluable research
tool in the absence of any kind of full-text search for the internet
archives wayback machine.

+1

The people who never searched before posting were the ones who would ask
the very same questions which had been answered a million times prior.

And, sure, the Google Groups dejanews implementation of the
no-account-needed web based Usenet-only search wasn't all that great
compared to the normal Google search engine - but it was the best we had.

This is all we've got now, that's updated, as far as I know, where
what would be nice is if people who know more add to the list.

No-account-needed web-paged general-use Usenet-only search engines:
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.sys.raspberry-pi> deprecated 22Feb24
<https://comp.sys.raspberry-pi.narkive.com/> David Cavion's site
<https://pi-dach.dorfdsl.de/rocksolid/search.php>
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/thread.php?group=comp.sys.raspberry-pi>
<https://archive.org/details/usenethistorical>
<https://usenetarchives.com/>

Message-ID search engines (which aren't even close to the same thing).
<http://al.howardknight.net/>
<http://news.chmurka.net/mid.php>
<http://usenet.ovh/index.php?article=ual>
<https://www.novabbs.com/SEARCH/search_nocem.php>

If you know of something better for a web based no-account-needed
Usenet-only search engine, please add it to the list above.

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