Not ready: (looging for documenatrtion)
- BinkP setup toss, scan, areafix, filefix
- Translate menus and prompts int spanish, I saw the option to change Language but the funny thing is that the only thing changed into spanish is the Language prompt to Idioma, so all the resty keeps beng in english.
David Gonzalez wrote to All <=-
I've compiled and let's say configured Synchronet on a linux VM, I've tried reading through the wiki with no much luck on getting all of the pieces together.
Ready:
- BBS (stock), I can login and you know browse around
- echocfg, I setup a test node 4:930/10 and some echomail local areas
and connection to my main node.
Not ready: (looging for documenatrtion)
- BinkP setup toss, scan, areafix, filefix
- Translate menus and prompts int spanish, I saw the option to change Language but the funny thing is that the only thing changed into
spanish is the Language prompt to Idioma, so all the resty keeps beng
in english.
David--
SEEN-BY: 4/0 88/0 90/0 103/705 124/5016 153/757 154/10 30 203/0 221/0 SEEN-BY: 229/426 240/1120 5832 280/464 5003 5006 292/8125 301/1 310/31 SEEN-BY: 341/66 234 396/45 423/120 460/58 467/888 633/280 712/848
770/1 SEEN-BY: 900/0 102 106 902/0 19 26 930/1 5020/400
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■ Synchronet ■ Vertrauen ■ Home of Synchronet ■ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net
On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 07:52:45 -0500
"David Gonzalez" (VERT) <VERT!David.Gonzalez@endofthelinebbs.com> wrote: When are you going to fix this?
Unless you put it there on purpose to confuse everyone?
David
SEEN-BY: 4/0 88/0 90/0 103/705 124/5016 153/757 154/10 30 203/0 221/0 SEEN-BY: 229/426 240/1120 5832 280/464 5003 5006 292/8125 301/1 310/31 SEEN-BY: 341/66 234 396/45 423/120 460/58 467/888 633/280 712/848
770/1 SEEN-BY: 900/0 102 106 902/0 19 26 930/1 5020/400
you are embedding your text inside his and also replying to all.
David
SEEN-BY: 4/0 88/0 90/0 103/705 124/5016 153/757 154/10 30 203/0 221/0 SEEN-BY: 229/426 240/1120 5832 280/464 5003 5006 292/8125 301/1 310/31 SEEN-BY: 341/66 234 396/45 423/120 460/58 467/888 633/280 712/848 770/1 SEEN-BY: 900/0 102 106 902/0 19 26 930/1 5020/400
Sure, maybe I want to confuse people... come on man, let this please be the last time I see message slike this from you.
Hello deon!How come I get this "Sorry hgow old are you?, if you're frudtrated(sic)
26 Nov 24 19:28, you wrote to me:
Re: Newbie question
By: David Gonzalez to Gamgee on Mon Nov 25 2024 07:52 am
Howdy,
David
SEEN-BY: 4/0 88/0 90/0 103/705 124/5016 153/757 154/10 30 203/0
221/0
SEEN-BY: 229/426 240/1120 5832 280/464 5003 5006 292/8125 301/1
310/31
SEEN-BY: 341/66 234 396/45 423/120 460/58 467/888 633/280 712/848
770/1
SEEN-BY: 900/0 102 106 902/0 19 26 930/1 5020/400
Your messages have SEEN-BY's after them.
Under normal conditions they are not shown by default - so not
sure why they are should with your messages.
It's weird, I have not enabled those,
...δεσ∩
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David
---ORIGIN Still fixing it
SEEN-BY: 4/0 88/0 90/0 103/705 124/5016 153/757 154/10 30 203/0 221/0 SEEN-BY: 229/426 240/1120 5832 280/464 5003 5006 292/8125 301/1 310/31 SEEN-BY: 341/66 234 396/45 423/120 460/58 467/888 633/280 712/848
770/1 SEEN-BY: 900/0 102 106 902/0 19 26 930/1 10 5020/400
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Re: Newbie question
By: David Gonzalez to Gamgee on Mon Nov 25 2024 07:52 am
Howdy,
David
SEEN-BY: 4/0 88/0 90/0 103/705 124/5016 153/757 154/10 30 203/0 221/0 SEEN-BY: 229/426 240/1120 5832 280/464 5003 5006 292/8125 301/1 310/31 SEEN-BY: 341/66 234 396/45 423/120 460/58 467/888 633/280 712/848 770/1 SEEN-BY: 900/0 102 106 902/0 19 26 930/1 5020/400
Your messages have SEEN-BY's after them.
Under normal conditions they are not shown by default - so not sure why
they
are should with your messages.
Hello nelgin!
25 Nov 24 09:52, you wrote to All:
Sorry hgow old are you?, if you're frudtrated don't take it on other people, even less to me.
On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 07:52:45 -0500
"David Gonzalez" (VERT) <VERT!David.Gonzalez@endofthelinebbs.com>
Re: Newbie question
By: David Gonzalez to nelgin on Tue Nov 26 2024 07:43:01
Sure, maybe I want to confuse people... come on man, let this please be the last time I see message slike this from you.
Touchy.
Trust me, you'll never hear from me again. Adios.
Synchronet BBS, from within the BBS, LoL
SEEN-BY: 4/0 88/0 90/0 103/705 104/119 124/5016 129/215 153/757 154/10 30 50 SEEN-BY: 154/700 203/0 220/20 90 221/0 6 226/18 44 50 229/310 426 240/1120 SEEN-BY: 240/5832 280/464 5003 5006 292/8125 301/1 310/31 341/66 234 396/45 SEEN-BY: 423/120 460/58 467/888 633/280 712/848 770/1 900/0 102 106 902/0 19 SEEN-BY: 902/26 930/1 10 2320/105 3634/12 5020/400
X-FTN-AREA SYNCHRONET
X-FTN-PATH 930/1 902/26 280/464
X-FTN-MSGID 4:930/1 6743afb4
X-FTN-PID GED+W32 1.1.5-b20180707
X-FTN-TID Mystic BBS 1.12 A48
it's an issue with whatever he's using to post.
Fortunately, but I'm still with the undelying issue, I cannot seem to be able to send netmails from SBB, I setup the area and all normal steps, but I don't se as I do on Mystic a clear indicator that the are is Netmail... I see private, networked, so on but I'm overwhelmed by the humongus amount of options. I'm still learning or re-learning all of this, remembering and trying to put the pieces together.
Regards.
it's an issue with whatever he's using to post.
Hola MRO!, saludo cordial
26 Nov 24 15:41, tu escribi(ste) a deon:
Synchronet BBS, from within the BBS, LoL
X-FTN-PID GED+W32 1.1.5-b20180707
X-FTN-TID Mystic BBS 1.12 A48
it's an issue with whatever he's using to post.
Well, I think it's because Golded is being used, and its not appending an Origin line to his messages.
Origin lines are however optional (as per FTS-4),
It doesn't say that! It says:
"Although the Origin line is not required by all Echomail processors, it is added by the Conference Mail System to ensure complete compatibility."
It is not very clear wording, but I read that as software that creates echomail messages should always add the origin line. But software that processes echomail, should be flexible when it is not present.
It doesn't say that! It says:
"Although the Origin line is not required by all Echomail processors, it is
added by the Conference Mail System to ensure complete compatibility."
It is not very clear wording, but I read that as software that creates
echomail messages should always add the origin line. But software that
processes echomail, should be flexible when it is not present.
I'm not going to 100% agree with you on this one.
In FTS-0004, in the section about Origin lines (which is point 3), the wording
as you have quoted "not required by all..." and "added... complete compatibility" indicates to me that it is not (absolutely) required, but rather useful if it is added.
Further, point 1 (Area Line), and point 4 (Seen-by Lines), explicitly states that these control fields are required. So if point 3 was
required, I would expect it to explicitly state that too.
Certainly I agree that FSC-0074 does make this clearer and states that they are required. It probably should have been promoted to a
technical standard, but wasnt, for whatever reasons it never made it?
if you are having problems with synchronet, make sure you are posting actual screenshots of your configuration.
Screnshot here would be hard I guess.
Hope this message goes w/out the kludge lines because I do not see them.
MRO wrote to David Gonzalez <=-
Re: Newbie question
By: David Gonzalez to MRO on Wed Nov 27 2024 07:02 am
if you are having problems with synchronet, make sure you are posting actual screenshots of your configuration.
Screnshot here would be hard I guess.
what?
Hope this message goes w/out the kludge lines because I do not see them.
your post had the lines. did you try to change something?
Hope this message goes w/out the kludge lines because I do not see them.
your post had the lines. did you try to change something?
Forgive me if this is a silly question, but wouldn't the problem lie somewhere in the chain of systems in the SEEN-BY lines? I mean, if the message is originating from his system there would be no SEEN-BY lines (other than maybe his own node) at the time the message is sent.
Forgive me if this is a silly question, but wouldn't the problem lie somewhere in the chain of systems in the SEEN-BY lines? I mean, if
the message is originating from his system there would be no SEEN-BY
lines (other than maybe his own node) at the time the message is sent.
Forgive me if this is a silly question, but wouldn't the problem lie somewhere in the chain of systems in the SEEN-BY lines? I mean, if the message is originating from his system there would be no SEEN-BY lines (other than maybe his own node) at the time the message is sent.
Looks like Rob/Digital Man has opened a ticket to address this issue on Synchronet's end, so possibly soon we won't have to see them either. Only downside is that it won't be as easy to see (of course, no tearline and origin line will still be noticeable) when someone has a misconfigured system, but at least we won't have to suffer if they don't choose to fix it. :)
It's not a silly question, but the answer is no. While the SEEN-BYs keep getting added to the message as it gets passed around, his original message doesn't have a tearline or origin line, which is why the SEEN-BYs are not hidden on software that specifically only hides them if there is a tearline and origin line.
I'm not in any hurry to address this in SBBSecho. The problem is
with the originator's configuration: they need an origin line in
their echomail messages. It's a critical source of metadata (the
originator's address) in all echomail messages.
oh THAT's why. i've always made sure i have my origin line on.
maybe i'll remote desktop this guy this weekend if i feel like it.
oh i tried to connect to his bbs. it's not connectable. i am not
even sure if that's the correct domain.
Hello Digital,
On Thu, Nov 28 2024 13:16:46 -0600, you wrote ..
I'm not in any hurry to address this in SBBSecho. The problem is
with the originator's configuration: they need an origin line in
their echomail messages. It's a critical source of metadata (the originator's address) in all echomail messages.
Understood and you know this, I know this, and others know this.
However, the half a dozen or more times the solution has been given to
the originator it has gone completely ignored. There's only so much we
can do. You can lead a horse to water etc etc. *shrug*
No idea on the rest of his situation. He seems to be trying to install
10 things at once and has none of them configured properly. Then gets
mad and defensive when people get frustrated trying to help him and he doesn't listen, completely ignores, or doesn't follow instructions very
well at all.
Eventually, people will just stop trying to help. *shrug*
Maybe he shouldn't even BE a sysop, maybe just be a user.
Wilfred van Velzen wrote to MRO <=-
Maybe he shouldn't even BE a sysop, maybe just be a user.
It's worse:
Maybe he shouldn't even BE a sysop, maybe just be a user.
It's worse:
Region,930,Colombia,Colombia,David_Gonzalez,-Unpublished-,33600,ICM,XA,V34,IBN
:bbs.skynetbbs.com
,1,Colombia,Colombia,Davia_Gonzalez,-Unpublished-,300,CM,XA,IBN:bbs.sk ynetbbs.com
A person with this lack of knowledge should not even be an RC in the
first place.
It looks like he just picked random flags and decided to use them.
I guess Zone 4 is a shambles anyway and this is par for the course.
Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Dan Clough <=-
I guess Zone 4 is a shambles anyway and this is par for the course.
They are in the proces of reorganising the zone right now. The ZC is going through a steep learning curve regarding the nodelist content. These lines will improve in the coming days/weeks...
Maybe he shouldn't even BE a sysop, maybe just be a user.
It's worse:
Region,930,Colombia,Colombia,David_Gonzalez,-Unpublished-,33600,ICM,XA,V34,I BN: bbs.skynetbbs.com ,1,Colombia,Colombia,Davia_Gonzalez,-Unpublished-,300, CM,XA,IBN:bbs.skynetbbs.c om
Accession wrote to All <=-
Hello CJ,
On Thu, 28 Nov 2024 05:51:53 -0600, you wrote ..
Forgive me if this is a silly question, but wouldn't the problem lie somewhere in the chain of systems in the SEEN-BY lines? I mean, if
the message is originating from his system there would be no SEEN-BY
lines (other than maybe his own node) at the time the message is sent.
It's not a silly question, but the answer is no. While the SEEN-BYs
keep getting added to the message as it gets passed around, his
original message doesn't have a tearline or origin line, which is why
the SEEN-BYs are not hidden on software that specifically only hides
them if there is a tearline and origin line.
MRO wrote to CJ <=-
Re: Re: Newbie question
By: CJ to MRO on Thu Nov 28 2024 06:51 am
Hope this message goes w/out the kludge lines because I do not see them.
your post had the lines. did you try to change something?
Forgive me if this is a silly question, but wouldn't the problem lie somewhere in the chain of systems in the SEEN-BY lines? I mean, if the message is originating from his system there would be no SEEN-BY lines (other than maybe his own node) at the time the message is sent.
i've seen this before and the kluge lines were normally the
originator's fault. i havent dealt with this stuff for like 15 years so
i can't remember. i was never a ftn expert but i set it up on my own
and joined multiple networks with no issues.
right now we dont know what the dude is doing other than he's ignoring help from nick and he's overwealmed by the settings. he has not posted his configuration as well. ---
right now we dont know what the dude is doing other than he's ignorin help from nick and he's overwealmed by the settings. he has not posted his configuration as well. ---
Thanks MRO. I also saw the reply from Accession. It makes sense to me now.
Chris (CJ) SysOp - CJ's Place BBS
I guess Zone 4 is a shambles anyway and this is par for the course.
They are in the proces of reorganising the zone right now. The ZC is
going through a steep learning curve regarding the nodelist content.
These lines will improve in the coming days/weeks...
I hope you're right, but I wouldn't put any money on that.
David Gonzalez wrote to Accession <=-
oh i tried to connect to his bbs. it's not connectable. i am not
even sure if that's the correct domain.
No idea on the rest of his situation. He seems to be trying to install
10 things at once and has none of them configured properly. Then gets
mad and defensive when people get frustrated trying to help him and
he doesn't listen, completely ignores, or doesn't follow instructions
very well at all.
Really?, that's what you think?
Eventually, people will just stop trying to help. *shrug*
Hello MRO!
28 Nov 24 16:57, you wrote to Accession:
You should've asked me LoL
Why, you wonder? For exactly the reasons he stated above. You've been offered all kinds of help, and get mad at those who tried. One thing
that doesn't change though, is that you continue to have all kinds of problems with very basic things, and don't seem to want to listen or
<GASP> read some documenation. You seem to not make any progress on anything, and just keep adding more mis-configurations.
I suspect he can fix the SEEN BY thing but since it has bothered a
lot of people he doesn't want to so that he can blame people for
complaining about it.
He got accepted to, and then quickly kicked out of, another network
for doing the same thing.
Dumas Walker wrote to DAN CLOUGH <=-
Why, you wonder? For exactly the reasons he stated above. You've been offered all kinds of help, and get mad at those who tried. One thing
that doesn't change though, is that you continue to have all kinds of problems with very basic things, and don't seem to want to listen or
<GASP> read some documenation. You seem to not make any progress on anything, and just keep adding more mis-configurations.
I suspect he can fix the SEEN BY thing but since it has bothered a lot
of people he doesn't want to so that he can blame people for
complaining about it.
He got accepted to, and then quickly kicked out of, another network for doing the same thing.
I imagine the learning curve for some, just coming around now, with no previous experience, and on a 30+ year old hobby that doesn't draw much attention any more is probably more difficult than any one of us that
have been doing it for years can assume. A little patience can go a long way, I suppose.
I feel like he may have jumped into the deep end, by starting multiple tasks/fires all at the same time without any prior knowledge (even
including the operating system he chose to use). Only now is beginning
to focus on one thing at a time and get himself out of the mess he made
for himself. He'll figure it all out eventually.
He got accepted to, and then quickly kicked out of, another network
for doing the same thing.
I imagine the learning curve for some, just coming around now, with no previous experience, and on a 30+ year old hobby that doesn't draw much attention any more is probably more difficult than any one of us that
have been doing it for years can assume. A little patience can go a long way, I suppose.
I agree and normally don't like to see newbies treated like they are dumb. In
the case of the other network, however, he apparently gave the impression that
he was a returning sysop who knew what he was doing and then apparently blamed
the sysops of other network systems when he ran into problems.
Maybe they over-reacted and he is all right, but he does seem to be a little standoffish with the folks trying to help him here, too.
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