• HVYRAIN: Excess Rain D2-3

    From Mike Powell@618:250/1 to All on Tue Sep 16 10:04:01 2025
    FOUS30 KWBC 160808
    QPFERD

    Excessive Rainfall Discussion
    NWS Weather Prediction Center College Park MD
    408 AM EDT Tue Sep 16 2025

    Day 2 Valid 12Z Wed Sep 17 2025 - 12Z Thu Sep 18 2025

    ...THERE IS A MARGINAL RISK OF EXCESSIVE RAINFALL FOR PARTS OF THE
    NORTHERN AND CENTRAL PLAINS, SOUTHERN HIGH PLAINS, AND SOUTHEAST FLORIDA...

    ...Northern and Central Plains...

    A strong mid-level shortwave trough will eject into the WY Front
    Range and eventually close off across NE generating a maturing lee
    cyclone across the Central High Plains. The setup will likely cause
    quite a robust deformation signature on the northwest flank of the
    cyclone with ensemble mean QPF placement situated over western NE
    up through western SD into southern ND, arcing back into the nose
    of the warm- conveyor belt (WCB) on the northeast side of the
    system. This is a classic mid- latitude lee cyclogenesis setup with
    a strong jet coupling leading to broad large scale forcing and
    widespread precip across the Plains. Eastern side of the cyclone
    will exhibit the best convective potential given the modest theta_E
    advection pattern poleward within the WCB leading to scattered
    thunderstorm potential from the Southern Plains to as far north as
    the Northern Plains and adjacent Upper Midwest (Western MN).
    Meanwhile, the deformation axis across NE/SD/ND will provide a
    solid precip field with moderate to locally heavy rates for several
    hrs. located in that northwest side of the low. Totals >2" are
    forecast within the means across western NE into the Dakotas with
    scattered elevated QPF across the Missouri River basin located in
    eastern SD and NE down through KS and far western OK. This setup
    is conducive for at least some isolated to scattered flash flood
    prospects considering the broad synoptic scale evolution. A very
    broad MRGL exists across much of the Northern and Central Plains
    with a cull located over NE and northwest KS where the low center
    will be present and drier air entrains into the region Wednesday
    evening and beyond as the low intensifies and approaches occlusion
    phase by Thursday AM.

    ...Southern High Plains...

    Very little change in the previous forecast as run to run
    continuity has allowed for negligible adjustments within the
    previous MRGL risk.

    A maturing lee side low to the north will help drag a trailing
    cold front through the Central and Southern High Plains on
    Wednesday. The front will slip south and southwest once down near
    the latitude of the OK Panhandle, leading to a more textbook
    backdoor frontal progression as it enters into the northern TX
    Panhandle and northeast NM. Flow begins to run more parallel to the
    boundary in these zones when assessing forecast soundings from
    relevant global deterministic. The key in the setup is a relatively
    solid isentropic ascent pattern in a small zone bordering
    CO/OK/NM/TX with cross-section views over the area displaying a
    classic sloped low-level surface FGEN with strong omega correlating
    to rapid ascent as the front progresses through the area. Locally
    enhanced corridor of precip will transpire along and in wake of the
    front with local maxima of 1.5" to as much as 3" plausible during
    the event. This could be enough for an isolated flash flood threat,
    especially in those smaller urban areas situated across the four
    state intersection.

    ...Southwest...

    Another period of isolated to scattered convection is anticipated
    over the terrain encompassing southern AZ up through the central
    and eastern portions of NM with the primary threat being heavy
    rainfall situated over more complex terrain and burn scar remnants.
    Assessment of forecast soundings and hodographs indicate relatively
    slower cell motions, a classic characteristic for flash flood
    prospects over the desert southwest. Guidance reflects local 1-2"
    totals scattered across the region extending from southeast AZ into
    NM with some of the better signals focused within those mountain
    ranges like the Huachucas and Sacramento's. This signal garnered
    enough attention to warrant an addition of a MRGL to account for
    the localized threat.

    ...Southeast Florida...

    Stalled front with an enhanced moisture return across South FL
    will lead to a heightened threat for flash flooding over the urban
    centers of southeast FL. The setup is historically favorable for
    flash flood concerns over the urban zones of southeast FL with
    PWATs hovering between 2-2.3", a solid 1/1.5 deviations above
    normal. CAMs guidance has recently come into range for at least the
    first half of the period with a mixture of results ranging from
    very little precip to multiple heavy convective cores impacting the
    zone between PBI down to MFL. Neighborhood probs for >2" are pretty
    high (>60%) across a large chunk of that above corridor, but
    there's still a precipitous drop off in the probs for >3" with a
    very low EAS signal accompanying. At this juncture, the prospects
    for heavy rainfall seem to be more isolated in nature, but the
    environment is leaning favorable for any cells to potentially drop
    appreciable amounts of rain in a short period of time. The heaviest
    rainfall totals among guidance seem relegated to the FL Keys, an
    area that historically is difficult for flash flood prospects just
    due to the sandier soils and much smaller land footprint available.
    The previous MRGL risk was relatively maintained given the setup
    and the chance for the signal to grow, but for now remains more
    within the lower end of the risk threshold.

    Kleebauer


    Day 3 Valid 12Z Thu Sep 18 2025 - 12Z Fri Sep 19 2025

    ...THERE IS A MARGINAL RISK OF EXCESSIVE RAINFALL ACROSS PORTIONS
    OF THE NORTHERN PLAINS, MISSISSIPPI RIVER VALLEY, SOUTHWEST U.S.,
    AND SOUTHEAST FLORIDA...

    ...Central U.S...

    Broad, occluding cyclone over the center of the CONUS will lead to
    a continuation of scattered convection on the eastern flank of the
    disturbance with a continued axis of deformation over parts of the
    Dakotas. Flash flood potential will be relatively modest
    considering the cyclone undergoing a deteriorating phase by the D3
    juncture. Ensemble means are generally between 0.5-1" within the
    convective zone in the decaying warm-conveyor belt (WCB) with 1-2"
    located within the axis of deformation. The best flash flood risks
    will likely coincide in the convective elements just due to the
    nature of enhanced rates, so overall we're looking at a mid-grade
    MRGL risk for the period, but will assess if there needs to be any
    targeted upgrades as we get closer to the period. For now, the
    broad MRGL inherited will suffice.

    ...Southwest...

    Moisture advection from the northeast edge of tropical cyclone
    Mario off the California Baja will make its presence known across
    Southern CA into adjacent NV/AZ by Thursday morning leading to an
    increasing threat of scattered to widespread convective initiation
    during peak diurnal instability. As PWATs surge to 2-3 deviations
    above normal by Thursday afternoon and beyond across SoCal, the
    environment will be conducive for several convective cores to
    produce fairly heavy rainfall potential, especially over the
    terrain focused from Big Sur, south into the Transverse and
    Peninsular Ranges. The threat for thunderstorms will exist over the
    SoCal deserts, an area very prone to flash flooding due to the high
    runoff capabilities and multitude of dry arroyos littered across
    the region. The northern periphery will likely make its presence
    into southern NV, another area prone to flash flooding due to
    similar issues and added complex topography scattered about the
    area. Totals of 1+" will be common with a likelihood of a few 2+"
    totals considering the environment likely in place. A MRGL risk is
    currently forecast, but would not be surprised to see an upgrade in
    future forecasts, especially over portions of SoCal.

    ...Southeast Florida...

    A rinse and repeat setup carrying over from D2 will lead to a
    continued threat of heavy convection across much of South Florida.
    Frontal alignment still indicates a scattered to widespread
    convective posture across southeast FL where the urban corridor
    will be under threat for more heavy rainfall and flash flood
    prospects. The greatest threat will lie within that zone from
    Melbourne down to Miami with some of the ensemble means greatest
    near West Palm Beach and Port St. Lucie. A MRGL risk exists once
    again for the defined area above between MLB to MFL.

    Kleebauer
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  • From Mike Powell@618:250/1 to All on Wed Sep 17 08:51:24 2025
    FOUS30 KWBC 170758
    QPFERD

    Excessive Rainfall Discussion
    NWS Weather Prediction Center College Park MD
    358 AM EDT Wed Sep 17 2025

    Day 2 Valid 12Z Thu Sep 18 2025 - 12Z Fri Sep 19 2025

    ...THERE IS A MARGINAL RISK OF EXCESSIVE RAINFALL ACROSS PORTIONS
    OF THE NORTHERN PLAINS, MISSISSIPPI RIVER VALLEY, SOUTHWEST U.S.,
    AND SOUTHEAST FLORIDA...

    ...Central U.S...

    Broad occlusion will be taking shape across the Central CONUS with
    locally heavy rainfall potential focused within the residual axis
    of deformation across the Dakotas, as well as along the progression
    of the cold front from MN down into the Southern Plains. Guidance
    is all over the place with the exact placement of relevant QPF
    maxima, however the ensemble means still emphasize the potential
    within these zones referenced above. Expectation is for multiple
    storm clusters to aid in the threat with some places likely to see
    2-4" inches thanks to the +1 to +2 deviation PWATs situated from OK
    up through the Upper Midwest and Northern Plains. Environment
    favors rate potential of 1-2"/hr in any cell within the WCB as
    general buoyancy should spur several thunderstorms along and ahead
    of the front as it migrates into the Mississippi Valley. As we get
    closer in time, it's plausible to have a targeted upgrade, or two,
    so it will be a period to monitor.

    ...Southwest U.S...

    Remnant moisture from post-tropical cyclone Mario will advect
    poleward with California generally in the cross-hairs for elevated
    moisture to move into the southern half of the state during the end
    of the D1 into D2 time frame. Energy from Mario will lag the
    initial low to mid- level moisture surge, but eventually will enter
    into the area by the late-morning hrs. Thursday. Models are pretty
    consistent in the meridional push of elevated moisture leading to scattered/widespread convection forming across much of SoCal,
    especially the lower deserts and terrain focused areas from Big Sur
    down into the Transverse and Peninsular ranges. It will be
    important to monitor the progression of the remnant mid-level
    energy as a more consolidated vorticity maxima would likely cause a
    period of enhanced, focused rainfall in-of the coastal terrain
    north of Los Angeles. As of now, the setup favors the energy
    becoming increasingly sheared with a more scattered convective
    depiction in the precip field. 00z ECMWF shows what could transpire
    with a more consolidated vorticity maxima with a stripe of heavy
    rainfall aligned south to north which would easily necessitate a
    risk area higher than the current MRGL in place. With PWATs likely
    to surge to 1.7-2.0", rainfall rates >1"/hr are certainly possible,
    a threshold that historically has caused localized flooding to some
    degree, leading to totals of 1-3" with room for higher if
    everything breaks unfavorably for the region. This is something to
    monitor as we step closer in time, but for now the threat is deemed
    a MRGL with a chance at an upgrade as we move further into the CAMs
    window for a better assessment on potential precip maxima.

    ...Southeast Florida...

    General persistence in the pattern across southern FL with elevated
    PWATs and streaming mid-level vorticity plaguing the region leading
    to scattered bouts of heavy rainfall within any convective
    development. The area of interest remains centered on the urban
    corridor from Melbourne to Miami just due to the repeated nature of
    convection and the lower FFG's aligned within the urbanization
    footprint. Models are still everywhere in the placement of the
    heaviest precip, some just offshore, and others hitting the Keys
    and southern peninsula pretty hard over the course of D1 and D2.
    Considering the environmental factors and continuity in the
    pattern, maintaining the previous MRGL risk is more than sufficient
    for the setup. Little to no change was necessary given the 00z NWP
    output.

    Kleebauer


    Day 3 Valid 12Z Fri Sep 19 2025 - 12Z Sat Sep 20 2025

    ...THERE IS A MARGINAL RISK OF EXCESSIVE RAINFALL ACROSS PORTIONS
    OF THE NORTHERN PLAINS, MISSISSIPPI RIVER VALLEY, SOUTHWEST U.S.,
    CENTRAL SIERRA NEVADA'S, AND SOUTHEAST FLORIDA...

    ...Northern Plains to Mississippi Valley...

    Our occluded low will continue to churn across the northern CONUS
    with another round of convection forecast on the eastern flank of
    the remnant cyclone. The threat is forecast to wane compared to the
    previous periods, but there is still a general MRGL risk for flash
    flooding in any cells that develop from the Mid to Upper-
    Mississippi Valley. Models are still all over the place in location
    and magnitude, but the premise of the environment remaining
    favorable for the threat warranted a continuation of the MRGL risk
    from previous forecasts.

    ...Western U.S...

    Elevated moisture from remnants of Mario will linger and allow for
    scattered to widespread convection to materialize over the
    Southwestern U.S. and over portions of the Sierra's of CA. Pending
    the mid-level evolution of the energy from Mario bleeding into D3,
    a heavier precip threat is possible, but not anticipated at this
    time. The setup should be able to adequately shear any mid-level
    vorticity leading to a less pronounced setup regionally. Still, the
    moisture anomalies and expected instability presence will allow for
    at least widely scattered flash flood concerns heading into the end
    of the week and early weekend. A MRGL risk remains for the
    Southwest and the California Sierra's.

    ...Southeast Florida...

    A chance for lingering heavy rainfall across southeast FL near
    Miami remains within the means, enough to warrant a maintenance
    of the inherited MRGL risk. It will really come down to finer
    mesoscale details and timing of when the incessant shortwave energy
    progression vacates the area. For now, there's enough to keep what
    was forecast prior, but will assess as we get closer in time. The
    area is small in spatial coverage, so there's a chance it is
    removed, or expanded once more CAMs windows shed light on the setup.

    Kleebauer
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