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  • Good drive from Leclerc yesterday

    From Martin Harran@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Oct 26 09:06:26 2020
    He is really showing how Vettel has become a has-been.
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  • From Dex@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Oct 26 10:48:50 2020
    On 26/10/2020 09:06, Martin Harran wrote:
    He is really showing how Vettel has become a has-been.


    I don't think Vettel cares about Ferrari anymore. He's just biding his
    time and waiting to go to Aston Martin.
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  • From Darryl Johnson@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Oct 26 10:21:06 2020
    On 2020-10-26 6:48 a.m., Dex wrote:
    On 26/10/2020 09:06, Martin Harran wrote:
    He is really showing how Vettel has become a has-been.


    I don't think Vettel cares about Ferrari anymore. He's just biding his
    time and waiting to go to Aston Martin.


    I would have thought he'd be too embarrassed by his comparative lack
    of pace and would at least try harder, if all he is doing is killing
    time until next year.

    No, I think there is something about the Ferrari that just doesn't
    suit Vettel. Something that either suits Leclerc to a "T", or that
    Leclerc is able to overcome. And with Leclerc doing so well, there
    isn't a chance in hell that Ferrari is going to change the car to
    better suit Vettel. (Assuming that they even know what needs to be
    changed.)
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  • From Martin Harran@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Oct 27 09:41:06 2020
    On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 10:48:50 +0000, Dex <in@out.me.com> wrote:

    On 26/10/2020 09:06, Martin Harran wrote:
    He is really showing how Vettel has become a has-been.


    I don't think Vettel cares about Ferrari anymore. He's just biding his
    time and waiting to go to Aston Martin.

    Which confirms that he is a has-been; a driver in those circumstances
    who is still hungry would be pushing hard. Perez comes to mind - he
    too has been dumped by his team but he is trying his hardest in the
    races left to him to show them wrong the team were in their decision.
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  • From crms...@gmail.com@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Oct 27 03:18:53 2020
    Agree. A has been now. Family at fore front of mind and not racing. Will be a waste of rations in Aston Martin next year.
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  • From Sir Tim@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Oct 27 12:53:32 2020
    Darryl Johnson <Darryl_Johnson@rogers.com> wrote:
    On 2020-10-26 6:48 a.m., Dex wrote:
    On 26/10/2020 09:06, Martin Harran wrote:
    He is really showing how Vettel has become a has-been.


    I don't think Vettel cares about Ferrari anymore. He's just biding his
    time and waiting to go to Aston Martin.


    I would have thought he'd be too embarrassed by his comparative lack
    of pace and would at least try harder, if all he is doing is killing
    time until next year.

    No racing driver worthy of the name should be rCLjust killing timerCY. If that is what he is doing then it is time he retired, especially when a talent
    like George Russell is likely to be without a drive next year.

    No, I think there is something about the Ferrari that just doesn't
    suit Vettel. Something that either suits Leclerc to a "T", or that
    Leclerc is able to overcome. And with Leclerc doing so well, there
    isn't a chance in hell that Ferrari is going to change the car to
    better suit Vettel. (Assuming that they even know what needs to be
    changed.)

    Vettel has always been very quick when the car suits him but I suspect that
    he is not very good at driving round problems. From 2010 to 2013 with RBR
    he was more or less unbeatable but even at Red Bull in 2014 he struggled to master the RB10 and was comprehensively beaten by Danny Ricciardo. He has
    never really looked a comfortable fit at Ferrari - difference between the German and Italian temperaments perhaps?


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  • From keithr0@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Oct 28 13:43:36 2020
    On 10/27/2020 10:53 PM, Sir Tim wrote:
    Darryl Johnson <Darryl_Johnson@rogers.com> wrote:
    On 2020-10-26 6:48 a.m., Dex wrote:
    On 26/10/2020 09:06, Martin Harran wrote:
    He is really showing how Vettel has become a has-been.


    I don't think Vettel cares about Ferrari anymore. He's just biding his
    time and waiting to go to Aston Martin.


    I would have thought he'd be too embarrassed by his comparative lack
    of pace and would at least try harder, if all he is doing is killing
    time until next year.

    No racing driver worthy of the name should be rCLjust killing timerCY. If that
    is what he is doing then it is time he retired, especially when a talent
    like George Russell is likely to be without a drive next year.

    No, I think there is something about the Ferrari that just doesn't
    suit Vettel. Something that either suits Leclerc to a "T", or that
    Leclerc is able to overcome. And with Leclerc doing so well, there
    isn't a chance in hell that Ferrari is going to change the car to
    better suit Vettel. (Assuming that they even know what needs to be
    changed.)

    Vettel has always been very quick when the car suits him but I suspect that he is not very good at driving round problems. From 2010 to 2013 with RBR
    he was more or less unbeatable but even at Red Bull in 2014 he struggled to master the RB10 and was comprehensively beaten by Danny Ricciardo. He has never really looked a comfortable fit at Ferrari - difference between the German and Italian temperaments perhaps?


    I've always thought of Vettel as something of a one trick pony. Had he
    not lucked into the right team at exactly the right time he may never
    have got a WDC let alone 4 of them. Then again, I don't think that he is
    the only one, I don't think that Jenson Button, for instance, would have
    got his WDC had he not been in the right place at the right time.
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  • From ~misfit~@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Oct 28 17:12:11 2020
    On 28/10/2020 4:43 pm, keithr0 wrote:
    On 10/27/2020 10:53 PM, Sir Tim wrote:
    Darryl Johnson <Darryl_Johnson@rogers.com> wrote:
    On 2020-10-26 6:48 a.m., Dex wrote:
    On 26/10/2020 09:06, Martin Harran wrote:
    He is really showing how Vettel has become a has-been.


    I don't think Vettel cares about Ferrari anymore. He's just biding his >>>> time and waiting to go to Aston Martin.


    I would have thought he'd be too embarrassed by his comparative lack
    of pace and would at least try harder, if all he is doing is killing
    time until next year.

    No racing driver worthy of the name should be rCLjust killing timerCY. If that
    is what he is doing then it is time he retired, especially when a talent
    like George Russell is likely to be without a drive next year.

    No, I think there is something about the Ferrari that just doesn't
    suit Vettel. Something that either suits Leclerc to a "T", or that
    Leclerc is able to overcome. And with Leclerc doing so well, there
    isn't a chance in hell that Ferrari is going to change the car to
    better suit Vettel. (Assuming that they even know what needs to be
    changed.)

    Vettel has always been very quick when the car suits him but I suspect that >> he is not very good at driving round problems. From 2010 to 2013 with RBR
    he was more or less unbeatable but even at Red Bull in 2014 he struggled to >> master the RB10 and was comprehensively beaten by Danny Ricciardo. He has
    never really looked a comfortable fit at Ferrari - difference between the
    German and Italian temperaments perhaps?


    I've always thought of Vettel as something of a one trick pony. Had he not lucked into the right
    team at exactly the right time he may never have got a WDC let alone 4 of them. Then again, I don't
    think that he is the only one, I don't think that Jenson Button, for instance, would have got his
    WDC had he not been in the right place at the right time.

    I agree. Jens and Seb are both good journeyman drivers in my opinion. Jens got 'lucky' for one
    season Seb got 'lucky' for four seasons.
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    Shaun.

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