Schumacher worked harder, Hamilton has more talent - Massa https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/schumacher-hamilton-comparison-massa/4899863/
Half true, but Hamilton conspicuously works harder (see below for
proof positive also) and the record clearly shows who has more talent.
You tell me who looks like he's worked harder: https://i.pinimg.com/474x/8d/51/3b/8d513b9b8efe83dd77154dab663da0f3.jpg
or https://im.indiatimes.in/content/itimes/photo/2013/Dec/30/1388392655-michael-schumacher-shirtless.jpg
On 10/27/2020 5:54 PM, Heron wrote:
Schumacher worked harder, Hamilton has more talent - Massa
https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/schumacher-hamilton-comparison-massa/4899863/
Half true, but Hamilton conspicuously works harder (see below for
proof positive also) and the record clearly shows who has more talent.
You tell me who looks like he's worked harder:
https://i.pinimg.com/474x/8d/51/3b/8d513b9b8efe83dd77154dab663da0f3.jpg
or
https://im.indiatimes.in/content/itimes/photo/2013/Dec/30/1388392655-michael-schumacher-shirtless.jpg
I don't like Schumi, but in those pics, both look fit as hell...
On 28/10/2020 6:14 pm, RzR wrote:
On 10/27/2020 5:54 PM, Heron wrote:
Schumacher worked harder, Hamilton has more talent - Massa
Half true, but Hamilton conspicuously works harder (see below for
proof positive also) and the record clearly shows who has more
talent.
You tell me who looks like he's worked harder:
or
https://im.indiatimes.in/content/itimes/photo/2013/Dec/30/13883926 55-michael-schumacher-shirtless.jpg
I don't like Schumi, but in those pics, both look fit as hell...
I may be overly... sceptical but to me that pic of Schumacher looks
like it's a poor photoshop job. The head doesn't seem right on the
neck (and I watched Schumacher for years).
~misfit~ wrote:
On 28/10/2020 6:14 pm, RzR wrote:https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/schumacher-hamilton-comparison-massa/4899863/
On 10/27/2020 5:54 PM, Heron wrote:
Schumacher worked harder, Hamilton has more talent - Massa
https://i.pinimg.com/474x/8d/51/3b/8d513b9b8efe83dd77154dab663da0f3.jpg
Half true, but Hamilton conspicuously works harder (see below for
proof positive also) and the record clearly shows who has more
talent.
You tell me who looks like he's worked harder:
or
https://im.indiatimes.in/content/itimes/photo/2013/Dec/30/13883926
55-michael-schumacher-shirtless.jpg
I don't like Schumi, but in those pics, both look fit as hell...
I may be overly... sceptical but to me that pic of Schumacher looks
like it's a poor photoshop job. The head doesn't seem right on the
neck (and I watched Schumacher for years).
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2009/aug/04/michael-schumacher-neck-injury-ferrari
~misfit~ wrote:
On 28/10/2020 6:14 pm, RzR wrote:https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/schumacher-hamilton-comparison-massa/4899863/
On 10/27/2020 5:54 PM, Heron wrote:
Schumacher worked harder, Hamilton has more talent - Massa
https://i.pinimg.com/474x/8d/51/3b/8d513b9b8efe83dd77154dab663da0f3.jpg
Half true, but Hamilton conspicuously works harder (see below for
proof positive also) and the record clearly shows who has more
talent.
You tell me who looks like he's worked harder:
or
https://im.indiatimes.in/content/itimes/photo/2013/Dec/30/13883926
55-michael-schumacher-shirtless.jpg
I don't like Schumi, but in those pics, both look fit as hell...
I may be overly... sceptical but to me that pic of Schumacher looks
like it's a poor photoshop job. The head doesn't seem right on the
neck (and I watched Schumacher for years).
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2009/aug/04/michael-schumacher-neck-injury-ferrari
~misfit~ wrote:
On 28/10/2020 6:14 pm, RzR wrote:https://i.pinimg.com/474x/8d/51/3b/8d513b9b8efe83dd77154dab663da0f3.jpg
On 10/27/2020 5:54 PM, Heron wrote:
Schumacher worked harder, Hamilton has more talent - Massa
https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/schumacher-hamilton-comparison-massa/4899863/
Half true, but Hamilton conspicuously works harder (see below for
proof positive also) and the record clearly shows who has more
talent.
You tell me who looks like he's worked harder:
or
https://im.indiatimes.in/content/itimes/photo/2013/Dec/30/13883926
55-michael-schumacher-shirtless.jpg
I don't like Schumi, but in those pics, both look fit as hell...
I may be overly... sceptical but to me that pic of Schumacher looks
like it's a poor photoshop job. The head doesn't seem right on the
neck (and I watched Schumacher for years).
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2009/aug/04/michael-schumacher-neck-injury-ferrari
But the innate feeling a driver has through his body to pick the optimum brake point and pressure, turn in at the perfect amount to keep the car balanced, and pick up the throttle to the limit of grip while avoiding wheel spinning on exits remain the same.
Ayrton Senna showed this level of skill to mark himself out as a great in times gone by, and Max Verstappen is showing it now, too, albeit without the pressures of being in a title battle. But the consistency with which Hamilton delivers is what is just so impressive. He barely ever gets it wrong, when everybody around falters.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/54686292
On Wed, 28 Oct 2020 11:51:16 -0000 (UTC), "Bigbird" <bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
~misfit~ wrote:
On 28/10/2020 6:14 pm, RzR wrote:https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/schumacher-hamilton-comparison-massa/4899863/
On 10/27/2020 5:54 PM, Heron wrote:
Schumacher worked harder, Hamilton has more talent - Massa
https://i.pinimg.com/474x/8d/51/3b/8d513b9b8efe83dd77154dab663da0f3.jpg >>>>> or
Half true, but Hamilton conspicuously works harder (see below for
proof positive also) and the record clearly shows who has more
talent.
You tell me who looks like he's worked harder:
https://im.indiatimes.in/content/itimes/photo/2013/Dec/30/13883926
55-michael-schumacher-shirtless.jpg
I don't like Schumi, but in those pics, both look fit as hell...
I may be overly... sceptical but to me that pic of Schumacher looks
like it's a poor photoshop job. The head doesn't seem right on the
neck (and I watched Schumacher for years).
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2009/aug/04/michael-schumacher-neck-injury-ferrari
So the photo of Hamilton is him at his peak, the one of Schumacher is
after he retired and before he came back - typical Heron prickery in
other words.
On Wed, 28 Oct 2020 01:16:44 -0700 (PDT), Colin Stone
<crmstone@gmail.com> wrote:
But the innate feeling a driver has through his body to pick the optimum brake point and pressure, turn in at the perfect amount to keep the car balanced, and pick up the throttle to the limit of grip while avoiding wheel spinning on exits remain the same.
Ayrton Senna showed this level of skill to mark himself out as a great in times gone by, and Max Verstappen is showing it now, too, albeit without the pressures of being in a title battle. But the consistency with which Hamilton delivers is what is just so impressive. He barely ever gets it wrong, when everybody around falters.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/54686292
-------------------------------------------------------------
"It's not just about his car
Of course, there will be doubters who say Hamilton's success is
largely down to the car.
Undoubtedly Hamilton would not have broken Schumacher's record if he
had been driving anything but a Mercedes since 2014, and he certainly
would not be a six-going-on-seven-time champion in another car.
I do think, though, that he could have won titles for Ferrari where
Vettel faltered, and, who knows, perhaps in a Red Bull this year he
could be challenging as well. After all, Verstappen is only 17 points
behind Bottas in the standings, despite having a few reliability woes
this season.
But being in the best car is what F1 is all about. It's a team sport,
which is focused almost entirely on the drivers, the lynchpins of the
team.
For those saying Hamilton has only won in the best car, it is hard to
deny, but think back to the other greats as well, because the same
applies.
Senna's McLaren was a monster in the late 80s and early '90s, arguably
more dominant than even Mercedes' 2020 masterpiece. Schumacher built
up his enormous records, by driving in another of Formula 1's dominant
eras - the Ferrari team of the early 2000s.
The best drivers find their way to the best cars and become dominant
forces. It is what we have seen before and it is what we are seeing
now."
----------------------------------------------------
But then again, what would an actual F1 driver like Jolyon Palmer know
in comparison to someone who putters around in lesser cars at weekends
;)
On 29/10/2020 4:18 am, Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2020 01:16:44 -0700 (PDT), Colin Stone
<crmstone@gmail.com> wrote:
But the innate feeling a driver has through his body to pick the
optimum brake point and pressure, turn in at the perfect amount to
keep the car balanced, and pick up the throttle to the limit of grip
while avoiding wheel spinning on exits remain the same.
Ayrton Senna showed this level of skill to mark himself out as a
great in times gone by, and Max Verstappen is showing it now, too,
albeit without the pressures of being in a title battle. But the
consistency with which Hamilton delivers is what is just so
impressive. He barely ever gets it wrong, when everybody around falters. >>>
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/54686292
-------------------------------------------------------------
"It's not just about his car
Of course, there will be doubters who say Hamilton's success is
largely down to the car.
Undoubtedly Hamilton would not have broken Schumacher's record if he
had been driving anything but a Mercedes since 2014, and he certainly
would not be a six-going-on-seven-time champion in another car.
I do think, though, that he could have won titles for Ferrari where
Vettel faltered, and, who knows, perhaps in a Red Bull this year he
could be challenging as well. After all, Verstappen is only 17 points
behind Bottas in the standings, despite having a few reliability woes
this season.
But being in the best car is what F1 is all about. It's a team sport,
which is focused almost entirely on the drivers, the lynchpins of the
team.
For those saying Hamilton has only won in the best car, it is hard to
deny, but think back to the other greats as well, because the same
applies.
Senna's McLaren was a monster in the late 80s and early '90s, arguably
more dominant than even Mercedes' 2020 masterpiece. Schumacher built
up his enormous records, by driving in another of Formula 1's dominant
eras - the Ferrari team of the early 2000s.
The best drivers find their way to the best cars and become dominant
forces. It is what we have seen before and it is what we are seeing
now."
----------------------------------------------------
But then again, what would an actual F1 driver like Jolyon Palmer know
in comparison to someone who putters around in lesser cars at weekends
;)
Oddly it is usually the best drivers that seem to get hired to drive the best cars. Now, why could that be ???
Maybe a reverse-driver should be imposed. The best drivers have to go in
the worst cars. Like the reverse-grid logic.
geoff
On 10/29/2020 4:50 AM, geoff wrote:
On 29/10/2020 4:18 am, Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2020 01:16:44 -0700 (PDT), Colin Stone
<crmstone@gmail.com> wrote:
But the innate feeling a driver has through his body to pick the
optimum brake point and pressure, turn in at the perfect amount to
keep the car balanced, and pick up the throttle to the limit of grip
while avoiding wheel spinning on exits remain the same.
Ayrton Senna showed this level of skill to mark himself out as a
great in times gone by, and Max Verstappen is showing it now, too,
albeit without the pressures of being in a title battle. But the
consistency with which Hamilton delivers is what is just so
impressive. He barely ever gets it wrong, when everybody around
falters.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/54686292
-------------------------------------------------------------
"It's not just about his car
Of course, there will be doubters who say Hamilton's success is
largely down to the car.
Undoubtedly Hamilton would not have broken Schumacher's record if he
had been driving anything but a Mercedes since 2014, and he certainly
would not be a six-going-on-seven-time champion in another car.
I do think, though, that he could have won titles for Ferrari where
Vettel faltered, and, who knows, perhaps in a Red Bull this year he
could be challenging as well. After all, Verstappen is only 17 points
behind Bottas in the standings, despite having a few reliability woes
this season.
But being in the best car is what F1 is all about. It's a team sport,
which is focused almost entirely on the drivers, the lynchpins of the
team.
For those saying Hamilton has only won in the best car, it is hard to
deny, but think back to the other greats as well, because the same
applies.
Senna's McLaren was a monster in the late 80s and early '90s, arguably
more dominant than even Mercedes' 2020 masterpiece. Schumacher built
up his enormous records, by driving in another of Formula 1's dominant
eras - the Ferrari team of the early 2000s.
The best drivers find their way to the best cars and become dominant
forces. It is what we have seen before and it is what we are seeing
now."
----------------------------------------------------
But then again, what would an actual F1 driver like Jolyon Palmer know
in comparison to someone who putters around in lesser cars at weekends
;)
Oddly it is usually the best drivers that seem to get hired to drive
the best cars. Now, why could that be ???
Maybe a reverse-driver should be imposed. The best drivers have to go
in the worst cars. Like the reverse-grid logic.
geoff
What about a one design series? All drivers in identical cars of a type
that none of them has driven before, cars swapped randomly between races
to ensure equality. Shortish races requiring no pit stops with tyres
that will just last the distance (if treated properly), no engineer on
the radio helping with tactics etc.
Obviously it isn't going to happen but I'd lay odds that it would throw
up a bunch of surprises.
Schumacher worked harder, Hamilton has more talent - Massa https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/schumacher-hamilton-comparison-massa/4899863/
Half true, but Hamilton conspicuously works harder (see below for
proof positive also) and the record clearly shows who has more talent.
You tell me who looks like he's worked harder: https://i.pinimg.com/474x/8d/51/3b/8d513b9b8efe83dd77154dab663da0f3.jpg
or https://im.indiatimes.in/content/itimes/photo/2013/Dec/30/1388392655-michael-schumacher-shirtless.jpg
On 10/28/2020 2:51 PM, Bigbird wrote:
~misfit~ wrote:
On 28/10/2020 6:14 pm, RzR wrote:
On 10/27/2020 5:54 PM, Heron wrote:
Schumacher worked harder, Hamilton has more talent - Massa
Half true, but Hamilton conspicuously works harder (see below
for proof positive also) and the record clearly shows who has
more talent.
You tell me who looks like he's worked harder:
or
55-michael-schumacher-shirtless.jpg
I don't like Schumi, but in those pics, both look fit as hell...
I may be overly... sceptical but to me that pic of Schumacher
looks like it's a poor photoshop job. The head doesn't seem right
on the neck (and I watched Schumacher for years).
does anyone know the exercises the racing drivers are doing to get
their neck stronger?
body builder physique
On 29/10/2020 12:04 pm, keithr0 wrote:
On 10/29/2020 4:50 AM, geoff wrote:
On 29/10/2020 4:18 am, Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2020 01:16:44 -0700 (PDT), Colin Stone
<crmstone@gmail.com> wrote:
But the innate feeling a driver has through his body to pick the
optimum brake point and pressure, turn in at the perfect amount to
keep the car balanced, and pick up the throttle to the limit of
grip while avoiding wheel spinning on exits remain the same.
Ayrton Senna showed this level of skill to mark himself out as a
great in times gone by, and Max Verstappen is showing it now, too,
albeit without the pressures of being in a title battle. But the
consistency with which Hamilton delivers is what is just so
impressive. He barely ever gets it wrong, when everybody around
falters.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/54686292
-------------------------------------------------------------
"It's not just about his car
Of course, there will be doubters who say Hamilton's success is
largely down to the car.
Undoubtedly Hamilton would not have broken Schumacher's record if he
had been driving anything but a Mercedes since 2014, and he certainly
would not be a six-going-on-seven-time champion in another car.
I do think, though, that he could have won titles for Ferrari where
Vettel faltered, and, who knows, perhaps in a Red Bull this year he
could be challenging as well. After all, Verstappen is only 17 points
behind Bottas in the standings, despite having a few reliability woes
this season.
But being in the best car is what F1 is all about. It's a team sport,
which is focused almost entirely on the drivers, the lynchpins of the
team.
For those saying Hamilton has only won in the best car, it is hard to
deny, but think back to the other greats as well, because the same
applies.
Senna's McLaren was a monster in the late 80s and early '90s, arguably >>>> more dominant than even Mercedes' 2020 masterpiece. Schumacher built
up his enormous records, by driving in another of Formula 1's dominant >>>> eras - the Ferrari team of the early 2000s.
The best drivers find their way to the best cars and become dominant
forces. It is what we have seen before and it is what we are seeing
now."
----------------------------------------------------
But then again, what would an actual F1 driver like Jolyon Palmer know >>>> in comparison to someone who putters around in lesser cars at weekends >>>> ;)
Oddly it is usually the best drivers that seem to get hired to drive
the best cars. Now, why could that be ???
Maybe a reverse-driver should be imposed. The best drivers have to go
in the worst cars. Like the reverse-grid logic.
geoff
What about a one design series? All drivers in identical cars of a
type that none of them has driven before, cars swapped randomly
between races to ensure equality. Shortish races requiring no pit
stops with tyres that will just last the distance (if treated
properly), no engineer on the radio helping with tactics etc.
Obviously it isn't going to happen but I'd lay odds that it would
throw up a bunch of surprises.
Format already catered for in numerous formulas/series.
Would stifle the innovation and progress that F1 is all about.
geoff
Hamilton, beaten by Journeyman Rosberg in 2016..Only because of an engine failure late in the season and not enough races to make up the points loss.
On 10/28/2020 10:11 AM, Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2020 11:51:16 -0000 (UTC), "Bigbird"
<bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
~misfit~ wrote:
On 28/10/2020 6:14 pm, RzR wrote:https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/schumacher-hamilton-comparison-massa/4899863/
On 10/27/2020 5:54 PM, Heron wrote:
Schumacher worked harder, Hamilton has more talent - Massa
https://i.pinimg.com/474x/8d/51/3b/8d513b9b8efe83dd77154dab663da0f3.jpg >>>>>> or
Half true, but Hamilton conspicuously works harder (see below for
proof positive also) and the record clearly shows who has more
talent.
You tell me who looks like he's worked harder:
https://im.indiatimes.in/content/itimes/photo/2013/Dec/30/13883926 >>>>>> 55-michael-schumacher-shirtless.jpg
I don't like Schumi, but in those pics, both look fit as hell...
I may be overly... sceptical but to me that pic of Schumacher looks
like it's a poor photoshop job. The head doesn't seem right on the
neck (and I watched Schumacher for years).
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2009/aug/04/michael-schumacher-neck-injury-ferrari
So the photo of Hamilton is him at his peak, the one of Schumacher is
after he retired and before he came back - typical Heron prickery in
other words.
For all those here dumb enough to believe that Schumacher
ever REMOTELY possessed the body builder physique (only
producible through hard work) of Hamilton.
On 10/28/2020 10:11 AM, Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2020 11:51:16 -0000 (UTC), "Bigbird"
<bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
~misfit~ wrote:
On 28/10/2020 6:14 pm, RzR wrote:
On 10/27/2020 5:54 PM, Heron wrote:
Schumacher worked harder, Hamilton has more talent - Massa
Half true, but Hamilton conspicuously works harder (see
below for proof positive also) and the record clearly shows
who has more talent.
You tell me who looks like he's worked harder:
or
55-michael-schumacher-shirtless.jpg
I don't like Schumi, but in those pics, both look fit as
hell...
I may be overly... sceptical but to me that pic of Schumacher
looks like it's a poor photoshop job. The head doesn't seem
right on the neck (and I watched Schumacher for years).
So the photo of Hamilton is him at his peak, the one of Schumacher
is after he retired and before he came back - typical Heron
prickery in other words.
For all those here dumb enough to believe that Schumacher
ever REMOTELY possessed the body builder physique (only
producible through hard work) of Hamilton.
Heron wrote:
On 10/28/2020 10:11 AM, Martin Harran wrote:https://i.pinimg.com/474x/8d/51/3b/8d513b9b8efe83dd77154dab663da0f3.jpg
On Wed, 28 Oct 2020 11:51:16 -0000 (UTC), "Bigbird"
<bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
~misfit~ wrote:
On 28/10/2020 6:14 pm, RzR wrote:
On 10/27/2020 5:54 PM, Heron wrote:https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/schumacher-hamilton-comparison-massa/4899863/
Schumacher worked harder, Hamilton has more talent - Massa
Half true, but Hamilton conspicuously works harder (see
below for proof positive also) and the record clearly shows
who has more talent.
You tell me who looks like he's worked harder:
or
https://im.indiatimes.in/content/itimes/photo/2013/Dec/30/1388392655-michael-schumacher-shirtless.jpg
I don't like Schumi, but in those pics, both look fit as
hell...
I may be overly... sceptical but to me that pic of Schumacher
looks like it's a poor photoshop job. The head doesn't seem
right on the neck (and I watched Schumacher for years).
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2009/aug/04/michael-schumacher-neck-injury-ferrari
So the photo of Hamilton is him at his peak, the one of Schumacher
is after he retired and before he came back - typical Heron
prickery in other words.
For all those here dumb enough to believe that Schumacher
ever REMOTELY possessed the body builder physique (only
producible through hard work) of Hamilton.
Just makes you look like a small minded little man doesn't it.
https://as.com/motor/imagenes/2009/08/06/mas_motor/1249573818_740215_0000000001_noticia_grande.jpg
For your scrap book; an appropriate place to archive your comments. ;)
On 29/10/2020 12:04 pm, keithr0 wrote:
On 10/29/2020 4:50 AM, geoff wrote:
On 29/10/2020 4:18 am, Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2020 01:16:44 -0700 (PDT), Colin Stone
<crmstone@gmail.com> wrote:
But the innate feeling a driver has through his body to pick the
optimum brake point and pressure, turn in at the perfect amount to
keep the car balanced, and pick up the throttle to the limit of grip >>>>> while avoiding wheel spinning on exits remain the same.
Ayrton Senna showed this level of skill to mark himself out as a
great in times gone by, and Max Verstappen is showing it now, too,
albeit without the pressures of being in a title battle. But the
consistency with which Hamilton delivers is what is just so
impressive. He barely ever gets it wrong, when everybody around
falters.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/54686292
-------------------------------------------------------------
"It's not just about his car
Of course, there will be doubters who say Hamilton's success is
largely down to the car.
Undoubtedly Hamilton would not have broken Schumacher's record if he
had been driving anything but a Mercedes since 2014, and he certainly
would not be a six-going-on-seven-time champion in another car.
I do think, though, that he could have won titles for Ferrari where
Vettel faltered, and, who knows, perhaps in a Red Bull this year he
could be challenging as well. After all, Verstappen is only 17 points
behind Bottas in the standings, despite having a few reliability woes
this season.
But being in the best car is what F1 is all about. It's a team sport,
which is focused almost entirely on the drivers, the lynchpins of the
team.
For those saying Hamilton has only won in the best car, it is hard to
deny, but think back to the other greats as well, because the same
applies.
Senna's McLaren was a monster in the late 80s and early '90s, arguably >>>> more dominant than even Mercedes' 2020 masterpiece. Schumacher built
up his enormous records, by driving in another of Formula 1's dominant >>>> eras - the Ferrari team of the early 2000s.
The best drivers find their way to the best cars and become dominant
forces. It is what we have seen before and it is what we are seeing
now."
----------------------------------------------------
But then again, what would an actual F1 driver like Jolyon Palmer know >>>> in comparison to someone who putters around in lesser cars at weekends >>>> ;)
Oddly it is usually the best drivers that seem to get hired to drive
the best cars. Now, why could that be ???
Maybe a reverse-driver should be imposed. The best drivers have to go
in the worst cars. Like the reverse-grid logic.
geoff
What about a one design series? All drivers in identical cars of a type
that none of them has driven before, cars swapped randomly between races
to ensure equality. Shortish races requiring no pit stops with tyres
that will just last the distance (if treated properly), no engineer on
the radio helping with tactics etc.
Obviously it isn't going to happen but I'd lay odds that it would throw
up a bunch of surprises.
Format already catered for in numerous formulas/series.
Would stifle the innovation and progress that F1 is all about.
RzR wrote:
On 10/28/2020 2:51 PM, Bigbird wrote:https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/schumacher-hamilton-comparison-massa/4899863/
~misfit~ wrote:
On 28/10/2020 6:14 pm, RzR wrote:
On 10/27/2020 5:54 PM, Heron wrote:
Schumacher worked harder, Hamilton has more talent - Massa
https://i.pinimg.com/474x/8d/51/3b/8d513b9b8efe83dd77154dab663da0f3.jpg
Half true, but Hamilton conspicuously works harder (see below
for proof positive also) and the record clearly shows who has
more talent.
You tell me who looks like he's worked harder:
https://im.indiatimes.in/content/itimes/photo/2013/Dec/30/13883926or
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2009/aug/04/michael-schumacher-neck-injury-ferrari55-michael-schumacher-shirtless.jpg
I don't like Schumi, but in those pics, both look fit as hell...
I may be overly... sceptical but to me that pic of Schumacher
looks like it's a poor photoshop job. The head doesn't seem right
on the neck (and I watched Schumacher for years).
does anyone know the exercises the racing drivers are doing to get
their neck stronger?
Here's one, new to me https://www.facebook.com/Formula1/videos/232908377821704
More typically
Driver Fitness: Strengthening the Neck https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K1X2MredgM
On 10/29/2020 3:40 AM, Bigbird wrote:
RzR wrote:
On 10/28/2020 2:51 PM, Bigbird wrote:https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/schumacher-hamilton-comparison-massa/4899863/
~misfit~ wrote:
On 28/10/2020 6:14 pm, RzR wrote:
On 10/27/2020 5:54 PM, Heron wrote:
Schumacher worked harder, Hamilton has more talent - Massa
https://i.pinimg.com/474x/8d/51/3b/8d513b9b8efe83dd77154dab663da0f3.jpg
Half true, but Hamilton conspicuously works harder (see below
for proof positive also) and the record clearly shows who has
more talent.
You tell me who looks like he's worked harder:
https://im.indiatimes.in/content/itimes/photo/2013/Dec/30/13883926or
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2009/aug/04/michael-schumacher-neck-injury-ferrari55-michael-schumacher-shirtless.jpg
I don't like Schumi, but in those pics, both look fit as hell...
I may be overly... sceptical but to me that pic of Schumacher
looks like it's a poor photoshop job. The head doesn't seem right
on the neck (and I watched Schumacher for years).
does anyone know the exercises the racing drivers are doing to get
their neck stronger?
Here's one, new to me https://www.facebook.com/Formula1/videos/232908377821704
More typically
Driver Fitness: Strengthening the Neck https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K1X2MredgM
damn, that first one...
thanks...
On Tuesday, 27 October 2020 14:54:03 UTC, Heron wrote:
Schumacher worked harder, Hamilton has more talent - Massa
https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/schumacher-hamilton-comparison-massa/4899863/
Half true, but Hamilton conspicuously works harder (see below for
proof positive also) and the record clearly shows who has more talent.
You tell me who looks like he's worked harder:
https://i.pinimg.com/474x/8d/51/3b/8d513b9b8efe83dd77154dab663da0f3.jpg
or
https://im.indiatimes.in/content/itimes/photo/2013/Dec/30/1388392655-michael-schumacher-shirtless.jpg
Hamilton, beaten by Journeyman Rosberg in 2016 and dominated by Button over 2011. What else, out-qualified over the season by Rosberg in 2014.
2014-2020 the hybrid-era aka F1 becomes WWE. Vettel's titles in the Red Bull even have more credibility than Hamilton's in the Mercedes spaceship.
geoff is very interested in your tiny erection
On 10/27/2020 5:54 PM, Heron wrote:
Schumacher worked harder, Hamilton has more talent - Massa https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/schumacher-hamilton-comparison-massa/4899863/
Half true, but Hamilton conspicuously works harder (see below for
proof positive also) and the record clearly shows who has more talent.
You tell me who looks like he's worked harder: https://i.pinimg.com/474x/8d/51/3b/8d513b9b8efe83dd77154dab663da0f3.jpg
or https://im.indiatimes.in/content/itimes/photo/2013/Dec/30/1388392655-michael-schumacher-shirtless.jpg
I don't like Schumi, but in those pics, both look fit as hell...
On 10/29/2020 2:52 AM, dnuc...@warpmail.net wrote:
On Tuesday, 27 October 2020 14:54:03 UTC, Heron wrote:
Schumacher worked harder, Hamilton has more talent - Massa
https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/schumacher-hamilton-comparison-massa/4899863/
Half true, but Hamilton conspicuously works harder (see below for
proof positive also) and the record clearly shows who has more talent.
You tell me who looks like he's worked harder:
https://i.pinimg.com/474x/8d/51/3b/8d513b9b8efe83dd77154dab663da0f3.jpg >> or
https://im.indiatimes.in/content/itimes/photo/2013/Dec/30/1388392655-michael-schumacher-shirtless.jpg
Hamilton, beaten by Journeyman Rosberg in 2016 and dominated by Button over 2011. What else, out-qualified over the season by Rosberg in 2014.
2014-2020 the hybrid-era aka F1 becomes WWE. Vettel's titles in the Red Bull even have more credibility than Hamilton's in the Mercedes spaceship.
bwahaha
On 10/29/2020 3:40 AM, Bigbird wrote:
RzR wrote:
On 10/28/2020 2:51 PM, Bigbird wrote:https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/schumacher-hamilton-comparison-massa/4899863/
~misfit~ wrote:
On 28/10/2020 6:14 pm, RzR wrote:
On 10/27/2020 5:54 PM, Heron wrote:
Schumacher worked harder, Hamilton has more talent - Massa
https://i.pinimg.com/474x/8d/51/3b/8d513b9b8efe83dd77154dab663da0f3.jpg
Half true, but Hamilton conspicuously works harder (see below
for proof positive also) and the record clearly shows who has
more talent.
You tell me who looks like he's worked harder:
https://im.indiatimes.in/content/itimes/photo/2013/Dec/30/13883926or
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2009/aug/04/michael-schumacher-neck-injury-ferrari55-michael-schumacher-shirtless.jpg
I don't like Schumi, but in those pics, both look fit as hell...
I may be overly... sceptical but to me that pic of Schumacher
looks like it's a poor photoshop job. The head doesn't seem right
on the neck (and I watched Schumacher for years).
does anyone know the exercises the racing drivers are doing to get
their neck stronger?
Here's one, new to me https://www.facebook.com/Formula1/videos/232908377821704
More typically
Driver Fitness: Strengthening the Neck https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K1X2MredgM
damn, that first one...
thanks...
On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 11:48:40 PM UTC-6, RzR wrote:
On 10/29/2020 3:40 AM, Bigbird wrote:
RzR wrote:damn, that first one...
On 10/28/2020 2:51 PM, Bigbird wrote:https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/schumacher-hamilton-comparison-massa/4899863/
~misfit~ wrote:
On 28/10/2020 6:14 pm, RzR wrote:
On 10/27/2020 5:54 PM, Heron wrote:
Schumacher worked harder, Hamilton has more talent - Massa
https://i.pinimg.com/474x/8d/51/3b/8d513b9b8efe83dd77154dab663da0f3.jpg >>>>>>>> or
Half true, but Hamilton conspicuously works harder (see below
for proof positive also) and the record clearly shows who has
more talent.
You tell me who looks like he's worked harder:
https://im.indiatimes.in/content/itimes/photo/2013/Dec/30/13883926
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2009/aug/04/michael-schumacher-neck-injury-ferrari55-michael-schumacher-shirtless.jpg
I don't like Schumi, but in those pics, both look fit as hell...
I may be overly... sceptical but to me that pic of Schumacher
looks like it's a poor photoshop job. The head doesn't seem right
on the neck (and I watched Schumacher for years).
does anyone know the exercises the racing drivers are doing to get
their neck stronger?
Here's one, new to me
https://www.facebook.com/Formula1/videos/232908377821704
More typically
Driver Fitness: Strengthening the Neck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K1X2MredgM
thanks...
hey rzr
got any more pics of shirtless f1 drivers?
you pig
On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 11:14:45 PM UTC-6, RzR wrote:
On 10/27/2020 5:54 PM, Heron wrote:
Schumacher worked harder, Hamilton has more talent - MassaI don't like Schumi, but in those pics, both look fit as hell...
https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/schumacher-hamilton-comparison-massa/4899863/
Half true, but Hamilton conspicuously works harder (see below for
proof positive also) and the record clearly shows who has more talent.
You tell me who looks like he's worked harder:
https://i.pinimg.com/474x/8d/51/3b/8d513b9b8efe83dd77154dab663da0f3.jpg
or
https://im.indiatimes.in/content/itimes/photo/2013/Dec/30/1388392655-michael-schumacher-shirtless.jpg
yup, jack off time
On Wed, 28 Oct 2020 01:16:44 -0700 (PDT), Colin Stone
<crmstone@gmail.com> wrote:
But the innate feeling a driver has through his body to pick the optimum brake point and pressure, turn in at the perfect amount to keep the car balanced, and pick up the throttle to the limit of grip while avoiding wheel spinning on exits remain the same.
Ayrton Senna showed this level of skill to mark himself out as a great in times gone by, and Max Verstappen is showing it now, too, albeit without the pressures of being in a title battle. But the consistency with which Hamilton delivers is what is just so impressive. He barely ever gets it wrong, when everybody around falters.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/54686292
-------------------------------------------------------------
"It's not just about his car
Of course, there will be doubters who say Hamilton's success is
largely down to the car.
Undoubtedly Hamilton would not have broken Schumacher's record if he
had been driving anything but a Mercedes since 2014, and he certainly
would not be a six-going-on-seven-time champion in another car.
I do think, though, that he could have won titles for Ferrari where
Vettel faltered, and, who knows, perhaps in a Red Bull this year he
could be challenging as well. After all, Verstappen is only 17 points
behind Bottas in the standings, despite having a few reliability woes
this season.
But being in the best car is what F1 is all about. It's a team sport,
which is focused almost entirely on the drivers, the lynchpins of the
team.
For those saying Hamilton has only won in the best car, it is hard to
deny, but think back to the other greats as well, because the same
applies.
Senna's McLaren was a monster in the late 80s and early '90s, arguably
more dominant than even Mercedes' 2020 masterpiece. Schumacher built
up his enormous records, by driving in another of Formula 1's dominant
eras - the Ferrari team of the early 2000s.
The best drivers find their way to the best cars and become dominant
forces. It is what we have seen before and it is what we are seeing
now."
----------------------------------------------------
But then again, what would an actual F1 driver like Jolyon Palmer know
in comparison to someone who putters around in lesser cars at weekends
;)
On 10/28/2020 10:11 AM, Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2020 11:51:16 -0000 (UTC), "Bigbird"
<bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
~misfit~ wrote:
On 28/10/2020 6:14 pm, RzR wrote:https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/schumacher-hamilton-comparison-massa/4899863/
On 10/27/2020 5:54 PM, Heron wrote:
Schumacher worked harder, Hamilton has more talent - Massa
https://i.pinimg.com/474x/8d/51/3b/8d513b9b8efe83dd77154dab663da0f3.jpg >>>>>> or
Half true, but Hamilton conspicuously works harder (see below for
proof positive also) and the record clearly shows who has more
talent.
You tell me who looks like he's worked harder:
https://im.indiatimes.in/content/itimes/photo/2013/Dec/30/13883926 >>>>>> 55-michael-schumacher-shirtless.jpg
I don't like Schumi, but in those pics, both look fit as hell...
I may be overly... sceptical but to me that pic of Schumacher looks
like it's a poor photoshop job. The head doesn't seem right on the
neck (and I watched Schumacher for years).
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2009/aug/04/michael-schumacher-neck-injury-ferrari
So the photo of Hamilton is him at his peak, the one of Schumacher is
after he retired and before he came back - typical Heron prickery in
other words.
For all those here dumb enough to believe that Schumacher
ever REMOTELY possessed the body builder physique (only
producible through hard work) of Hamilton.
On 29/10/2020 4:18 am, Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2020 01:16:44 -0700 (PDT), Colin Stone
<crmstone@gmail.com> wrote:
But the innate feeling a driver has through his body to pick the
optimum brake point and pressure, turn in at the perfect amount to
keep the car balanced, and pick up the throttle to the limit of grip
while avoiding wheel spinning on exits remain the same.
Ayrton Senna showed this level of skill to mark himself out as a
great in times gone by, and Max Verstappen is showing it now, too,
albeit without the pressures of being in a title battle. But the
consistency with which Hamilton delivers is what is just so
impressive. He barely ever gets it wrong, when everybody around falters. >>>
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/54686292
-------------------------------------------------------------
"It's not just about his car
Of course, there will be doubters who say Hamilton's success is
largely down to the car.
Undoubtedly Hamilton would not have broken Schumacher's record if he
had been driving anything but a Mercedes since 2014, and he certainly
would not be a six-going-on-seven-time champion in another car.
I do think, though, that he could have won titles for Ferrari where
Vettel faltered, and, who knows, perhaps in a Red Bull this year he
could be challenging as well. After all, Verstappen is only 17 points
behind Bottas in the standings, despite having a few reliability woes
this season.
But being in the best car is what F1 is all about. It's a team sport,
which is focused almost entirely on the drivers, the lynchpins of the
team.
For those saying Hamilton has only won in the best car, it is hard to
deny, but think back to the other greats as well, because the same
applies.
Senna's McLaren was a monster in the late 80s and early '90s, arguably
more dominant than even Mercedes' 2020 masterpiece. Schumacher built
up his enormous records, by driving in another of Formula 1's dominant
eras - the Ferrari team of the early 2000s.
The best drivers find their way to the best cars and become dominant
forces. It is what we have seen before and it is what we are seeing
now."
----------------------------------------------------
But then again, what would an actual F1 driver like Jolyon Palmer know
in comparison to someone who putters around in lesser cars at weekends
;)
Oddly it is usually the best drivers that seem to get hired to drive the best cars. Now, why could that be ???
On 10/29/2020 4:50 AM, geoff wrote:
On 29/10/2020 4:18 am, Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2020 01:16:44 -0700 (PDT), Colin Stone
<crmstone@gmail.com> wrote:
But the innate feeling a driver has through his body to pick the
optimum brake point and pressure, turn in at the perfect amount to
keep the car balanced, and pick up the throttle to the limit of grip
while avoiding wheel spinning on exits remain the same.
Ayrton Senna showed this level of skill to mark himself out as a
great in times gone by, and Max Verstappen is showing it now, too,
albeit without the pressures of being in a title battle. But the
consistency with which Hamilton delivers is what is just so
impressive. He barely ever gets it wrong, when everybody around
falters.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/54686292
-------------------------------------------------------------
"It's not just about his car
Of course, there will be doubters who say Hamilton's success is
largely down to the car.
Undoubtedly Hamilton would not have broken Schumacher's record if he
had been driving anything but a Mercedes since 2014, and he certainly
would not be a six-going-on-seven-time champion in another car.
I do think, though, that he could have won titles for Ferrari where
Vettel faltered, and, who knows, perhaps in a Red Bull this year he
could be challenging as well. After all, Verstappen is only 17 points
behind Bottas in the standings, despite having a few reliability woes
this season.
But being in the best car is what F1 is all about. It's a team sport,
which is focused almost entirely on the drivers, the lynchpins of the
team.
For those saying Hamilton has only won in the best car, it is hard to
deny, but think back to the other greats as well, because the same
applies.
Senna's McLaren was a monster in the late 80s and early '90s, arguably
more dominant than even Mercedes' 2020 masterpiece. Schumacher built
up his enormous records, by driving in another of Formula 1's dominant
eras - the Ferrari team of the early 2000s.
The best drivers find their way to the best cars and become dominant
forces. It is what we have seen before and it is what we are seeing
now."
----------------------------------------------------
But then again, what would an actual F1 driver like Jolyon Palmer know
in comparison to someone who putters around in lesser cars at weekends
;)
Oddly it is usually the best drivers that seem to get hired to drive
the best cars. Now, why could that be ???
Maybe a reverse-driver should be imposed. The best drivers have to go
in the worst cars. Like the reverse-grid logic.
geoff
What about a one design series? All drivers in identical cars of a type
that none of them has driven before, cars swapped randomly between races
to ensure equality. Shortish races requiring no pit stops with tyres
that will just last the distance (if treated properly), no engineer on
the radio helping with tactics etc.
Obviously it isn't going to happen but I'd lay odds that it would throw
up a bunch of surprises.
On 29/10/2020 12:04 pm, keithr0 wrote:
On 10/29/2020 4:50 AM, geoff wrote:
On 29/10/2020 4:18 am, Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2020 01:16:44 -0700 (PDT), Colin Stone
<crmstone@gmail.com> wrote:
But the innate feeling a driver has through his body to pick the
optimum brake point and pressure, turn in at the perfect amount to
keep the car balanced, and pick up the throttle to the limit of
grip while avoiding wheel spinning on exits remain the same.
Ayrton Senna showed this level of skill to mark himself out as a
great in times gone by, and Max Verstappen is showing it now, too,
albeit without the pressures of being in a title battle. But the
consistency with which Hamilton delivers is what is just so
impressive. He barely ever gets it wrong, when everybody around
falters.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/54686292
-------------------------------------------------------------
"It's not just about his car
Of course, there will be doubters who say Hamilton's success is
largely down to the car.
Undoubtedly Hamilton would not have broken Schumacher's record if he
had been driving anything but a Mercedes since 2014, and he certainly
would not be a six-going-on-seven-time champion in another car.
I do think, though, that he could have won titles for Ferrari where
Vettel faltered, and, who knows, perhaps in a Red Bull this year he
could be challenging as well. After all, Verstappen is only 17 points
behind Bottas in the standings, despite having a few reliability woes
this season.
But being in the best car is what F1 is all about. It's a team sport,
which is focused almost entirely on the drivers, the lynchpins of the
team.
For those saying Hamilton has only won in the best car, it is hard to
deny, but think back to the other greats as well, because the same
applies.
Senna's McLaren was a monster in the late 80s and early '90s, arguably >>>> more dominant than even Mercedes' 2020 masterpiece. Schumacher built
up his enormous records, by driving in another of Formula 1's dominant >>>> eras - the Ferrari team of the early 2000s.
The best drivers find their way to the best cars and become dominant
forces. It is what we have seen before and it is what we are seeing
now."
----------------------------------------------------
But then again, what would an actual F1 driver like Jolyon Palmer know >>>> in comparison to someone who putters around in lesser cars at weekends >>>> ;)
Oddly it is usually the best drivers that seem to get hired to drive
the best cars. Now, why could that be ???
Maybe a reverse-driver should be imposed. The best drivers have to go
in the worst cars. Like the reverse-grid logic.
geoff
What about a one design series? All drivers in identical cars of a
type that none of them has driven before, cars swapped randomly
between races to ensure equality. Shortish races requiring no pit
stops with tyres that will just last the distance (if treated
properly), no engineer on the radio helping with tactics etc.
Obviously it isn't going to happen but I'd lay odds that it would
throw up a bunch of surprises.
Format already catered for in numerous formulas/series.
Would stifle the innovation and progress that F1 is all about.
Spoken like a true fan gurl!
It's been done... ...and it just isn't that interesting at the peak
of the sport.
Alan Baker wrote:
Spoken like a true fan gurl!
<sigh>
Alan Baker wrote:
It's been done... ...and it just isn't that interesting at the peak
of the sport.
It would have to be more interesting than have boring little butthurts claiming "it's only because of the car" incessantly.
On 2020-10-30 5:46 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:
Spoken like a true fan gurl!
<sigh>
You have your way... ...I have mine.
And remember: I have SEEN your way in other fora.
Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-10-30 5:46 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:
Spoken like a true fan gurl!
<sigh>
You have your way... ...I have mine.
And remember: I have SEEN your way in other fora.
(ITYM forum, singular.)
WTF is that meant to mean? If you think this group is anything like the
one you are referring to you should just leave. You are only going to continue making an arse of yourself until everyone filters you.
I have rather more respect for this forum and most of the people here.
On 2020-10-30 6:01 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-10-30 5:46 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:
Spoken like a true fan gurl!
<sigh>
You have your way... ...I have mine.
And remember: I have SEEN your way in other fora.
(ITYM forum, singular.)Do I?
WTF is that meant to mean? If you think this group is anything like the one you are referring to you should just leave. You are only going to continue making an arse of yourself until everyone filters you.It means you don't mind behaving in much the same way with others as I behave here with a select few.
I have rather more respect for this forum and most of the people here.Tell it to "Doofus".
;-)
On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 7:02:57 PM UTC-6, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-10-30 6:01 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-10-30 5:46 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:
Spoken like a true fan gurl!
<sigh>
You have your way... ...I have mine.
And remember: I have SEEN your way in other fora.
(ITYM forum, singular.)Do I?
WTF is that meant to mean? If you think this group is anything like the one you are referring to you should just leave. You are only going to continue making an arse of yourself until everyone filters you.It means you don't mind behaving in much the same way with others as I behave here with a select few.
I have rather more respect for this forum and most of the people here.Tell it to "Doofus".
;-)hey numbnuts
you are back in bigturds
hollow killfile for the 11th time
On 2020-10-30 5:49 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:
It's been done... ...and it just isn't that interesting at the peak
of the sport.
It would have to be more interesting than have boring little butthurts
claiming "it's only because of the car" incessantly.
Who has ever said "it is ONLY because of the car", sunshine?
:-)
Just answer this:
Have George Russell and Hamilton swap cars, and you have to bet your
life on which will now win.
Which way will you bet?
On 31/10/2020 2:00 pm, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-10-30 5:49 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:
It's been done... ...and it just isn't that interesting at the peak
of the sport.
It would have to be more interesting than have boring little butthurts
claiming "it's only because of the car" incessantly.
Who has ever said "it is ONLY because of the car", sunshine?
:-)
Just answer this:
Have George Russell and Hamilton swap cars, and you have to bet your
life on which will now win.
Which way will you bet?
Probably RUS, but not necessarily.
But put them in the same car (well not the actual SAME one car !) and
would you seriously vote for RUS ?
Actually, given your obvious biased POV, you probably would...
On 2020-10-30 7:36 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 31/10/2020 2:00 pm, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-10-30 5:49 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:
It's been done... ...and it just isn't that interesting at the peak
of the sport.
It would have to be more interesting than have boring little butthurts >>>> claiming "it's only because of the car" incessantly.
Who has ever said "it is ONLY because of the car", sunshine?
:-)
Just answer this:
Have George Russell and Hamilton swap cars, and you have to bet your
life on which will now win.
Which way will you bet?
Probably RUS, but not necessarily.
"Probably RUS" says it all.
But put them in the same car (well not the actual SAME one car !) and
would you seriously vote for RUS ?
Nope.
Actually, given your obvious biased POV, you probably would...
No, I absolutely would not.
The point is that you've just admitted that the car is more important
than the driver.
On 31/10/2020 3:48 pm, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-10-30 7:36 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 31/10/2020 2:00 pm, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-10-30 5:49 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:
It's been done... ...and it just isn't that interesting at the peak >>>>>> of the sport.
It would have to be more interesting than have boring little butthurts >>>>> claiming "it's only because of the car" incessantly.
Who has ever said "it is ONLY because of the car", sunshine?
:-)
Just answer this:
Have George Russell and Hamilton swap cars, and you have to bet your
life on which will now win.
Which way will you bet?
Probably RUS, but not necessarily.
"Probably RUS" says it all.
But put them in the same car (well not the actual SAME one car !) and
would you seriously vote for RUS ?
Nope.
Actually, given your obvious biased POV, you probably would...
No, I absolutely would not.
The point is that you've just admitted that the car is more important
than the driver.
No, it means that RUSs car is *significantly* inferior, possibly not
able to be compensated for by any amount driver skill.
geoff
On 31/10/2020 3:48 pm, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-10-30 7:36 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 31/10/2020 2:00 pm, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-10-30 5:49 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:
It's been done... ...and it just isn't that interesting at the peak >>>>>> of the sport.
It would have to be more interesting than have boring little butthurts >>>>> claiming "it's only because of the car" incessantly.
Who has ever said "it is ONLY because of the car", sunshine?
:-)
Just answer this:
Have George Russell and Hamilton swap cars, and you have to bet your
life on which will now win.
Which way will you bet?
Probably RUS, but not necessarily.
"Probably RUS" says it all.
But put them in the same car (well not the actual SAME one car !) and
would you seriously vote for RUS ?
Nope.
Actually, given your obvious biased POV, you probably would...
No, I absolutely would not.
The point is that you've just admitted that the car is more important
than the driver.
No, it means that RUSs car is *significantly* inferior, possibly not
able to be compensated for by any amount driver skill.
geoff
On 31/10/2020 4:25 pm, geoff wrote:
On 31/10/2020 3:48 pm, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-10-30 7:36 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 31/10/2020 2:00 pm, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-10-30 5:49 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:
It's been done... ...and it just isn't that interesting at the peak >>>>>>> of the sport.
It would have to be more interesting than have boring little
butthurts
claiming "it's only because of the car" incessantly.
Who has ever said "it is ONLY because of the car", sunshine?
:-)
Just answer this:
Have George Russell and Hamilton swap cars, and you have to bet
your life on which will now win.
Which way will you bet?
Probably RUS, but not necessarily.
"Probably RUS" says it all.
But put them in the same car (well not the actual SAME one car !)
and would you seriously vote for RUS ?
Nope.
Actually, given your obvious biased POV, you probably would...
No, I absolutely would not.
The point is that you've just admitted that the car is more important
than the driver.
No, it means that RUSs car is *significantly* inferior, possibly not
able to be compensated for by any amount driver skill.
geoff
If you want a more valid comparison, let HAM and RUS each do 50 laps, in traffic, in each of the cars in turn, in identically altering weather conditions, and compare that.
geoff
On 2020-10-30 8:25 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 31/10/2020 3:48 pm, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-10-30 7:36 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 31/10/2020 2:00 pm, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-10-30 5:49 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:
It's been done... ...and it just isn't that interesting at the peak >>>>>>> of the sport.
It would have to be more interesting than have boring little
butthurts
claiming "it's only because of the car" incessantly.
Who has ever said "it is ONLY because of the car", sunshine?
:-)
Just answer this:
Have George Russell and Hamilton swap cars, and you have to bet
your life on which will now win.
Which way will you bet?
Probably RUS, but not necessarily.
"Probably RUS" says it all.
But put them in the same car (well not the actual SAME one car !)
and would you seriously vote for RUS ?
Nope.
Actually, given your obvious biased POV, you probably would...
No, I absolutely would not.
The point is that you've just admitted that the car is more important
than the driver.
No, it means that RUSs car is *significantly* inferior, possibly not
able to be compensated for by any amount driver skill.
geoff
Which proves the point...
...but you just don't see it.
On 31/10/2020 4:43 pm, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-10-30 8:25 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 31/10/2020 3:48 pm, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-10-30 7:36 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 31/10/2020 2:00 pm, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-10-30 5:49 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:
It's been done... ...and it just isn't that interesting at the peak >>>>>>>> of the sport.
It would have to be more interesting than have boring little
butthurts
claiming "it's only because of the car" incessantly.
Who has ever said "it is ONLY because of the car", sunshine?
:-)
Just answer this:
Have George Russell and Hamilton swap cars, and you have to bet
your life on which will now win.
Which way will you bet?
Probably RUS, but not necessarily.
"Probably RUS" says it all.
But put them in the same car (well not the actual SAME one car !)
and would you seriously vote for RUS ?
Nope.
Actually, given your obvious biased POV, you probably would...
No, I absolutely would not.
The point is that you've just admitted that the car is more
important than the driver.
No, it means that RUSs car is *significantly* inferior, possibly not
able to be compensated for by any amount driver skill.
geoff
Which proves the point...
...but you just don't see it.
Oh I see it alright. Merc is undoubtedly the best car.
But what you don't see, or rather pathetically attempt to deny, is that
your reason for stressing the point at every opportunity is to somehow diminish HAMs status as being amongst the great F1 divers.
Oh no, not great at all. Just lucky to always be in the best car.
On 2020-10-28 8:18 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2020 01:16:44 -0700 (PDT), Colin Stone
<crmstone@gmail.com> wrote:
But the innate feeling a driver has through his body to pick the optimum brake point and pressure, turn in at the perfect amount to keep the car balanced, and pick up the throttle to the limit of grip while avoiding wheel spinning on exits remain the same.
Ayrton Senna showed this level of skill to mark himself out as a great in times gone by, and Max Verstappen is showing it now, too, albeit without the pressures of being in a title battle. But the consistency with which Hamilton delivers is what is just so impressive. He barely ever gets it wrong, when everybody around falters.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/54686292
-------------------------------------------------------------
"It's not just about his car
Of course, there will be doubters who say Hamilton's success is
largely down to the car.
Undoubtedly Hamilton would not have broken Schumacher's record if he
had been driving anything but a Mercedes since 2014, and he certainly
would not be a six-going-on-seven-time champion in another car.
I do think, though, that he could have won titles for Ferrari where
Vettel faltered, and, who knows, perhaps in a Red Bull this year he
could be challenging as well. After all, Verstappen is only 17 points
behind Bottas in the standings, despite having a few reliability woes
this season.
But being in the best car is what F1 is all about. It's a team sport,
which is focused almost entirely on the drivers, the lynchpins of the
team.
For those saying Hamilton has only won in the best car, it is hard to
deny, but think back to the other greats as well, because the same
applies.
Senna's McLaren was a monster in the late 80s and early '90s, arguably
more dominant than even Mercedes' 2020 masterpiece. Schumacher built
up his enormous records, by driving in another of Formula 1's dominant
eras - the Ferrari team of the early 2000s.
The best drivers find their way to the best cars and become dominant
forces. It is what we have seen before and it is what we are seeing
now."
----------------------------------------------------
But then again, what would an actual F1 driver like Jolyon Palmer know
in comparison to someone who putters around in lesser cars at weekends
;)
But then again, you ignore what the importance of the word "just" is in
that sentence, don't you? As you also ignore this:
"Undoubtedly Hamilton would not have broken Schumacher's record if he
had been driving anything but a Mercedes since 2014"
And this:
"But being in the best car is what F1 is all about."
And this:
"For those saying Hamilton has only won in the best car, it is hard to deny"
He is saying that: "Yes: Hamilton is driving the best car and has done >almost all his winning in the best car of each season".
As for "puttering around in lesser cars", I'll defend the honour of my
class by pointing out a few others who also "puttered":
Michael Andretti,
Jenson Button
David Coulthard
Emerson Fittipaldi
Mika Hakkinen
Damon Hill
Eddie Irvine
Jan Magnussen
Kevin Magnussen
Nigel Mansell
Roberto Moreno
Michael Schumacher,
Ayrton Senna,
Gilles Villeneuve and his son Jacques
Also:
Patrick Carpentier,
Alexandre Tagliani,
Bertrand Godin,
Claude Bourbonnais,
Greg Moore,
Paul Tracy
Derek Daly
Scott Dixon
Mario Franchitti
And I didn't even get to this page:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Formula_Ford_drivers&pagefrom=Munro%2C+James%0AJames+Munro+%28racing+driver%29#mw-pages>
So I'll consider myself to be in pretty good company.
And as far as my own "puttering" goes, I don't think being the second >fastest driver around our track in a Formula F is too bad...--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
...especially as one of the other guys who is slower than I am is the
2015 US SCCA Runoffs champion.
But then, what would the timing and scoring system know?
:-)
On Fri, 30 Oct 2020 09:29:14 -0700, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-10-28 8:18 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2020 01:16:44 -0700 (PDT), Colin Stone
<crmstone@gmail.com> wrote:
But the innate feeling a driver has through his body to pick the optimum brake point and pressure, turn in at the perfect amount to keep the car balanced, and pick up the throttle to the limit of grip while avoiding wheel spinning on exits remain the same.
Ayrton Senna showed this level of skill to mark himself out as a great in times gone by, and Max Verstappen is showing it now, too, albeit without the pressures of being in a title battle. But the consistency with which Hamilton delivers is what is just so impressive. He barely ever gets it wrong, when everybody around falters.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/54686292
-------------------------------------------------------------
"It's not just about his car
Of course, there will be doubters who say Hamilton's success is
largely down to the car.
Undoubtedly Hamilton would not have broken Schumacher's record if he
had been driving anything but a Mercedes since 2014, and he certainly
would not be a six-going-on-seven-time champion in another car.
I do think, though, that he could have won titles for Ferrari where
Vettel faltered, and, who knows, perhaps in a Red Bull this year he
could be challenging as well. After all, Verstappen is only 17 points
behind Bottas in the standings, despite having a few reliability woes
this season.
But being in the best car is what F1 is all about. It's a team sport,
which is focused almost entirely on the drivers, the lynchpins of the
team.
For those saying Hamilton has only won in the best car, it is hard to
deny, but think back to the other greats as well, because the same
applies.
Senna's McLaren was a monster in the late 80s and early '90s, arguably
more dominant than even Mercedes' 2020 masterpiece. Schumacher built
up his enormous records, by driving in another of Formula 1's dominant
eras - the Ferrari team of the early 2000s.
The best drivers find their way to the best cars and become dominant
forces. It is what we have seen before and it is what we are seeing
now."
----------------------------------------------------
But then again, what would an actual F1 driver like Jolyon Palmer know
in comparison to someone who putters around in lesser cars at weekends
;)
But then again, you ignore what the importance of the word "just" is in
that sentence, don't you? As you also ignore this:
"Undoubtedly Hamilton would not have broken Schumacher's record if he
had been driving anything but a Mercedes since 2014"
And this:
"But being in the best car is what F1 is all about."
And this:
"For those saying Hamilton has only won in the best car, it is hard to deny" >>
He is saying that: "Yes: Hamilton is driving the best car and has done
almost all his winning in the best car of each season".
As for "puttering around in lesser cars", I'll defend the honour of my
class by pointing out a few others who also "puttered":
Michael Andretti,
Jenson Button
David Coulthard
Emerson Fittipaldi
Mika Hakkinen
Damon Hill
Eddie Irvine
Jan Magnussen
Kevin Magnussen
Nigel Mansell
Roberto Moreno
Michael Schumacher,
Ayrton Senna,
Gilles Villeneuve and his son Jacques
Also:
Patrick Carpentier,
Alexandre Tagliani,
Bertrand Godin,
Claude Bourbonnais,
Greg Moore,
Paul Tracy
Derek Daly
Scott Dixon
Mario Franchitti
And I didn't even get to this page:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Formula_Ford_drivers&pagefrom=Munro%2C+James%0AJames+Munro+%28racing+driver%29#mw-pages>
So I'll consider myself to be in pretty good company.
Wow, putting yourself on a par with that list is something special,,
even for someone with your level of egotism.
On 31/10/2020 2:00 pm, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-10-30 5:49 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:
It's been done... ...and it just isn't that interesting at the peak
of the sport.
It would have to be more interesting than have boring little butthurts
claiming "it's only because of the car" incessantly.
Who has ever said "it is ONLY because of the car", sunshine?
:-)
Just answer this:
Have George Russell and Hamilton swap cars, and you have to bet your
life on which will now win.
Which way will you bet?Probably RUS, but not necessarily.
But put them in the same car (well not the actual SAME one car !) and
would you seriously vote for RUS ?
Actually, given your obvious biased POV, you probably would...
geoff
But put them in the same car (well not the actual SAME one car !) and
would you seriously vote for RUS ?
Actually, given your obvious biased POV, you probably would...
geoff wrote:
But put them in the same car (well not the actual SAME one car !) and
would you seriously vote for RUS ?
Actually, given your obvious biased POV, you probably would...
That Alan chooses to ask such infantile questions says plenty.
On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 2:36:11 AM UTC, geoff wrote:
On 31/10/2020 2:00 pm, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-10-30 5:49 p.m., Bigbird wrote:Probably RUS, but not necessarily.
Alan Baker wrote:
It's been done... ...and it just isn't that interesting at the peak
of the sport.
It would have to be more interesting than have boring little butthurts >>>> claiming "it's only because of the car" incessantly.
Who has ever said "it is ONLY because of the car", sunshine?
:-)
Just answer this:
Have George Russell and Hamilton swap cars, and you have to bet your
life on which will now win.
Which way will you bet?
But put them in the same car (well not the actual SAME one car !) and
would you seriously vote for RUS ?
Actually, given your obvious biased POV, you probably would...
geoff
They don't have to swap cars. Put 'Lewis the Sheep-Shagger Hamilton' in the Williams and Russel would beat him.
On 2020-10-31 2:14 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2020 09:29:14 -0700, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-10-28 8:18 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2020 01:16:44 -0700 (PDT), Colin Stone
<crmstone@gmail.com> wrote:
But the innate feeling a driver has through his body to pick the optimum brake point and pressure, turn in at the perfect amount to keep the car balanced, and pick up the throttle to the limit of grip while avoiding wheel spinning on exits remain the same.
Ayrton Senna showed this level of skill to mark himself out as a great in times gone by, and Max Verstappen is showing it now, too, albeit without the pressures of being in a title battle. But the consistency with which Hamilton delivers is what is just so impressive. He barely ever gets it wrong, when everybody around falters.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/54686292
-------------------------------------------------------------
"It's not just about his car
Of course, there will be doubters who say Hamilton's success is
largely down to the car.
Undoubtedly Hamilton would not have broken Schumacher's record if he
had been driving anything but a Mercedes since 2014, and he certainly
would not be a six-going-on-seven-time champion in another car.
I do think, though, that he could have won titles for Ferrari where
Vettel faltered, and, who knows, perhaps in a Red Bull this year he
could be challenging as well. After all, Verstappen is only 17 points
behind Bottas in the standings, despite having a few reliability woes
this season.
But being in the best car is what F1 is all about. It's a team sport,
which is focused almost entirely on the drivers, the lynchpins of the
team.
For those saying Hamilton has only won in the best car, it is hard to
deny, but think back to the other greats as well, because the same
applies.
Senna's McLaren was a monster in the late 80s and early '90s, arguably >>>> more dominant than even Mercedes' 2020 masterpiece. Schumacher built
up his enormous records, by driving in another of Formula 1's dominant >>>> eras - the Ferrari team of the early 2000s.
The best drivers find their way to the best cars and become dominant
forces. It is what we have seen before and it is what we are seeing
now."
----------------------------------------------------
But then again, what would an actual F1 driver like Jolyon Palmer know >>>> in comparison to someone who putters around in lesser cars at weekends >>>> ;)
But then again, you ignore what the importance of the word "just" is in
that sentence, don't you? As you also ignore this:
"Undoubtedly Hamilton would not have broken Schumacher's record if he
had been driving anything but a Mercedes since 2014"
And this:
"But being in the best car is what F1 is all about."
And this:
"For those saying Hamilton has only won in the best car, it is hard to deny"
He is saying that: "Yes: Hamilton is driving the best car and has done
almost all his winning in the best car of each season".
As for "puttering around in lesser cars", I'll defend the honour of my
class by pointing out a few others who also "puttered":
Michael Andretti,
Jenson Button
David Coulthard
Emerson Fittipaldi
Mika Hakkinen
Damon Hill
Eddie Irvine
Jan Magnussen
Kevin Magnussen
Nigel Mansell
Roberto Moreno
Michael Schumacher,
Ayrton Senna,
Gilles Villeneuve and his son Jacques
Also:
Patrick Carpentier,
Alexandre Tagliani,
Bertrand Godin,
Claude Bourbonnais,
Greg Moore,
Paul Tracy
Derek Daly
Scott Dixon
Mario Franchitti
And I didn't even get to this page:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Formula_Ford_drivers&pagefrom=Munro%2C+James%0AJames+Munro+%28racing+driver%29#mw-pages>
So I'll consider myself to be in pretty good company.
Wow, putting yourself on a par with that list is something special,,
even for someone with your level of egotism.
Nope. I said I'm in "good company".
That in no way implies I think I'm on par with any of them.
Just pointing out that your implications about the class are complete
and utter bullshit.
I am faster around Mission than the 2015 US amateur champion, though. So >whatever I'm doing, it's hardly "puttering". You should watch some FF
some time. You'll see some real racing.
:-)
On Sat, 31 Oct 2020 07:00:29 -0700, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-10-31 2:14 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2020 09:29:14 -0700, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-10-28 8:18 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2020 01:16:44 -0700 (PDT), Colin Stone
<crmstone@gmail.com> wrote:
But the innate feeling a driver has through his body to pick the optimum brake point and pressure, turn in at the perfect amount to keep the car balanced, and pick up the throttle to the limit of grip while avoiding wheel spinning on exits remain the same.
Ayrton Senna showed this level of skill to mark himself out as a great in times gone by, and Max Verstappen is showing it now, too, albeit without the pressures of being in a title battle. But the consistency with which Hamilton delivers is what is just so impressive. He barely ever gets it wrong, when everybody around falters.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/54686292
-------------------------------------------------------------
"It's not just about his car
Of course, there will be doubters who say Hamilton's success is
largely down to the car.
Undoubtedly Hamilton would not have broken Schumacher's record if he >>>>> had been driving anything but a Mercedes since 2014, and he certainly >>>>> would not be a six-going-on-seven-time champion in another car.
I do think, though, that he could have won titles for Ferrari where
Vettel faltered, and, who knows, perhaps in a Red Bull this year he
could be challenging as well. After all, Verstappen is only 17 points >>>>> behind Bottas in the standings, despite having a few reliability woes >>>>> this season.
But being in the best car is what F1 is all about. It's a team sport, >>>>> which is focused almost entirely on the drivers, the lynchpins of the >>>>> team.
For those saying Hamilton has only won in the best car, it is hard to >>>>> deny, but think back to the other greats as well, because the same
applies.
Senna's McLaren was a monster in the late 80s and early '90s, arguably >>>>> more dominant than even Mercedes' 2020 masterpiece. Schumacher built >>>>> up his enormous records, by driving in another of Formula 1's dominant >>>>> eras - the Ferrari team of the early 2000s.
The best drivers find their way to the best cars and become dominant >>>>> forces. It is what we have seen before and it is what we are seeing
now."
----------------------------------------------------
But then again, what would an actual F1 driver like Jolyon Palmer know >>>>> in comparison to someone who putters around in lesser cars at weekends >>>>> ;)
But then again, you ignore what the importance of the word "just" is in >>>> that sentence, don't you? As you also ignore this:
"Undoubtedly Hamilton would not have broken Schumacher's record if he
had been driving anything but a Mercedes since 2014"
And this:
"But being in the best car is what F1 is all about."
And this:
"For those saying Hamilton has only won in the best car, it is hard to deny"
He is saying that: "Yes: Hamilton is driving the best car and has done >>>> almost all his winning in the best car of each season".
As for "puttering around in lesser cars", I'll defend the honour of my >>>> class by pointing out a few others who also "puttered":
Michael Andretti,
Jenson Button
David Coulthard
Emerson Fittipaldi
Mika Hakkinen
Damon Hill
Eddie Irvine
Jan Magnussen
Kevin Magnussen
Nigel Mansell
Roberto Moreno
Michael Schumacher,
Ayrton Senna,
Gilles Villeneuve and his son Jacques
Also:
Patrick Carpentier,
Alexandre Tagliani,
Bertrand Godin,
Claude Bourbonnais,
Greg Moore,
Paul Tracy
Derek Daly
Scott Dixon
Mario Franchitti
And I didn't even get to this page:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Formula_Ford_drivers&pagefrom=Munro%2C+James%0AJames+Munro+%28racing+driver%29#mw-pages>
So I'll consider myself to be in pretty good company.
Wow, putting yourself on a par with that list is something special,,
even for someone with your level of egotism.
Nope. I said I'm in "good company".
That in no way implies I think I'm on par with any of them.
Like most egotists, you can't see your own egotism in describing
yourself in the company of drivers who have all moved well beyond
puttering around in lesser cars.
Nothing to say?
Just pointing out that your implications about the class are complete
and utter bullshit.
I am faster around Mission than the 2015 US amateur champion, though. So
whatever I'm doing, it's hardly "puttering". You should watch some FF
some time. You'll see some real racing.
On 2020-11-02 8:26 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2020 07:00:29 -0700, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-10-31 2:14 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2020 09:29:14 -0700, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-10-28 8:18 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2020 01:16:44 -0700 (PDT), Colin Stone
<crmstone@gmail.com> wrote:
But the innate feeling a driver has through his body to pick the optimum brake point and pressure, turn in at the perfect amount to keep the car balanced, and pick up the throttle to the limit of grip while avoiding wheel spinning on exits remain the same.
Ayrton Senna showed this level of skill to mark himself out as a great in times gone by, and Max Verstappen is showing it now, too, albeit without the pressures of being in a title battle. But the consistency with which Hamilton delivers is what is just so impressive. He barely ever gets it wrong, when everybody around falters.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/54686292
-------------------------------------------------------------
"It's not just about his car
Of course, there will be doubters who say Hamilton's success is
largely down to the car.
Undoubtedly Hamilton would not have broken Schumacher's record if he >>>>>> had been driving anything but a Mercedes since 2014, and he certainly >>>>>> would not be a six-going-on-seven-time champion in another car.
I do think, though, that he could have won titles for Ferrari where >>>>>> Vettel faltered, and, who knows, perhaps in a Red Bull this year he >>>>>> could be challenging as well. After all, Verstappen is only 17 points >>>>>> behind Bottas in the standings, despite having a few reliability woes >>>>>> this season.
But being in the best car is what F1 is all about. It's a team sport, >>>>>> which is focused almost entirely on the drivers, the lynchpins of the >>>>>> team.
For those saying Hamilton has only won in the best car, it is hard to >>>>>> deny, but think back to the other greats as well, because the same >>>>>> applies.
Senna's McLaren was a monster in the late 80s and early '90s, arguably >>>>>> more dominant than even Mercedes' 2020 masterpiece. Schumacher built >>>>>> up his enormous records, by driving in another of Formula 1's dominant >>>>>> eras - the Ferrari team of the early 2000s.
The best drivers find their way to the best cars and become dominant >>>>>> forces. It is what we have seen before and it is what we are seeing >>>>>> now."
----------------------------------------------------
But then again, what would an actual F1 driver like Jolyon Palmer know >>>>>> in comparison to someone who putters around in lesser cars at weekends >>>>>> ;)
But then again, you ignore what the importance of the word "just" is in >>>>> that sentence, don't you? As you also ignore this:
"Undoubtedly Hamilton would not have broken Schumacher's record if he >>>>> had been driving anything but a Mercedes since 2014"
And this:
"But being in the best car is what F1 is all about."
And this:
"For those saying Hamilton has only won in the best car, it is hard to deny"
He is saying that: "Yes: Hamilton is driving the best car and has done >>>>> almost all his winning in the best car of each season".
As for "puttering around in lesser cars", I'll defend the honour of my >>>>> class by pointing out a few others who also "puttered":
Michael Andretti,
Jenson Button
David Coulthard
Emerson Fittipaldi
Mika Hakkinen
Damon Hill
Eddie Irvine
Jan Magnussen
Kevin Magnussen
Nigel Mansell
Roberto Moreno
Michael Schumacher,
Ayrton Senna,
Gilles Villeneuve and his son Jacques
Also:
Patrick Carpentier,
Alexandre Tagliani,
Bertrand Godin,
Claude Bourbonnais,
Greg Moore,
Paul Tracy
Derek Daly
Scott Dixon
Mario Franchitti
And I didn't even get to this page:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Formula_Ford_drivers&pagefrom=Munro%2C+James%0AJames+Munro+%28racing+driver%29#mw-pages>
So I'll consider myself to be in pretty good company.
Wow, putting yourself on a par with that list is something special,,
even for someone with your level of egotism.
Nope. I said I'm in "good company".
That in no way implies I think I'm on par with any of them.
Like most egotists, you can't see your own egotism in describing
yourself in the company of drivers who have all moved well beyond
puttering around in lesser cars.
Nope. I'm pointing out that those supposedly "lesser cars" were and are
a very important class for developing race drivers.
By no means am I trying to suggest that I'm am on par with any of them.
Nothing to say?
Just pointing out that your implications about the class are complete
and utter bullshit.
I am faster around Mission than the 2015 US amateur champion, though. So >>> whatever I'm doing, it's hardly "puttering". You should watch some FF
some time. You'll see some real racing.
Tell me: how fast do you think my "puttering" little car goes?
:-)--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
On Mon, 2 Nov 2020 08:55:13 -0800, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-11-02 8:26 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2020 07:00:29 -0700, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-10-31 2:14 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2020 09:29:14 -0700, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-10-28 8:18 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2020 01:16:44 -0700 (PDT), Colin Stone
<crmstone@gmail.com> wrote:
But the innate feeling a driver has through his body to pick the optimum brake point and pressure, turn in at the perfect amount to keep the car balanced, and pick up the throttle to the limit of grip while avoiding wheel spinning on exits remain the same.
Ayrton Senna showed this level of skill to mark himself out as a great in times gone by, and Max Verstappen is showing it now, too, albeit without the pressures of being in a title battle. But the consistency with which Hamilton delivers is what is just so impressive. He barely ever gets it wrong, when everybody around falters.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/54686292
-------------------------------------------------------------
"It's not just about his car
Of course, there will be doubters who say Hamilton's success is
largely down to the car.
Undoubtedly Hamilton would not have broken Schumacher's record if he >>>>>>> had been driving anything but a Mercedes since 2014, and he certainly >>>>>>> would not be a six-going-on-seven-time champion in another car.
I do think, though, that he could have won titles for Ferrari where >>>>>>> Vettel faltered, and, who knows, perhaps in a Red Bull this year he >>>>>>> could be challenging as well. After all, Verstappen is only 17 points >>>>>>> behind Bottas in the standings, despite having a few reliability woes >>>>>>> this season.
But being in the best car is what F1 is all about. It's a team sport, >>>>>>> which is focused almost entirely on the drivers, the lynchpins of the >>>>>>> team.
For those saying Hamilton has only won in the best car, it is hard to >>>>>>> deny, but think back to the other greats as well, because the same >>>>>>> applies.
Senna's McLaren was a monster in the late 80s and early '90s, arguably >>>>>>> more dominant than even Mercedes' 2020 masterpiece. Schumacher built >>>>>>> up his enormous records, by driving in another of Formula 1's dominant >>>>>>> eras - the Ferrari team of the early 2000s.
The best drivers find their way to the best cars and become dominant >>>>>>> forces. It is what we have seen before and it is what we are seeing >>>>>>> now."
----------------------------------------------------
But then again, what would an actual F1 driver like Jolyon Palmer know >>>>>>> in comparison to someone who putters around in lesser cars at weekends >>>>>>> ;)
But then again, you ignore what the importance of the word "just" is in >>>>>> that sentence, don't you? As you also ignore this:
"Undoubtedly Hamilton would not have broken Schumacher's record if he >>>>>> had been driving anything but a Mercedes since 2014"
And this:
"But being in the best car is what F1 is all about."
And this:
"For those saying Hamilton has only won in the best car, it is hard to deny"
He is saying that: "Yes: Hamilton is driving the best car and has done >>>>>> almost all his winning in the best car of each season".
As for "puttering around in lesser cars", I'll defend the honour of my >>>>>> class by pointing out a few others who also "puttered":
Michael Andretti,
Jenson Button
David Coulthard
Emerson Fittipaldi
Mika Hakkinen
Damon Hill
Eddie Irvine
Jan Magnussen
Kevin Magnussen
Nigel Mansell
Roberto Moreno
Michael Schumacher,
Ayrton Senna,
Gilles Villeneuve and his son Jacques
Also:
Patrick Carpentier,
Alexandre Tagliani,
Bertrand Godin,
Claude Bourbonnais,
Greg Moore,
Paul Tracy
Derek Daly
Scott Dixon
Mario Franchitti
And I didn't even get to this page:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Formula_Ford_drivers&pagefrom=Munro%2C+James%0AJames+Munro+%28racing+driver%29#mw-pages>
So I'll consider myself to be in pretty good company.
Wow, putting yourself on a par with that list is something special,, >>>>> even for someone with your level of egotism.
Nope. I said I'm in "good company".
That in no way implies I think I'm on par with any of them.
Like most egotists, you can't see your own egotism in describing
yourself in the company of drivers who have all moved well beyond
puttering around in lesser cars.
Nope. I'm pointing out that those supposedly "lesser cars" were and are
a very important class for developing race drivers.
By no means am I trying to suggest that I'm am on par with any of them.
Nothing to say?
Just pointing out that your implications about the class are complete
and utter bullshit.
I am faster around Mission than the 2015 US amateur champion, though. So >>>> whatever I'm doing, it's hardly "puttering". You should watch some FF
some time. You'll see some real racing.
Tell me: how fast do you think my "puttering" little car goes?
Last time I watched FF [1], they peaked out at around 140-150 mph
which is seriously impressive and exhilarating for cars of their size
but nothing remotely close to F1 except in your inflated imagination.
[Leinster Trophy at Mondello Park outside Dublin a few years ago. By coincidence, Derek Warwick did an exhibition drive in a Jordan F1 car
so the comparison was there in plain sight :) ]
On 2020-11-03 5:28 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Mon, 2 Nov 2020 08:55:13 -0800, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-11-02 8:26 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2020 07:00:29 -0700, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-10-31 2:14 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2020 09:29:14 -0700, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-10-28 8:18 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2020 01:16:44 -0700 (PDT), Colin Stone
<crmstone@gmail.com> wrote:
But the innate feeling a driver has through his body to pick the optimum brake point and pressure, turn in at the perfect amount to keep the car balanced, and pick up the throttle to the limit of grip while avoiding wheel spinning on exits remain the same.
Ayrton Senna showed this level of skill to mark himself out as a great in times gone by, and Max Verstappen is showing it now, too, albeit without the pressures of being in a title battle. But the consistency with which Hamilton delivers is what is just so impressive. He barely ever gets it wrong, when everybody around falters.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/54686292
-------------------------------------------------------------
"It's not just about his car
Of course, there will be doubters who say Hamilton's success is >>>>>>>> largely down to the car.
Undoubtedly Hamilton would not have broken Schumacher's record if he >>>>>>>> had been driving anything but a Mercedes since 2014, and he certainly >>>>>>>> would not be a six-going-on-seven-time champion in another car. >>>>>>>>
I do think, though, that he could have won titles for Ferrari where >>>>>>>> Vettel faltered, and, who knows, perhaps in a Red Bull this year he >>>>>>>> could be challenging as well. After all, Verstappen is only 17 points >>>>>>>> behind Bottas in the standings, despite having a few reliability woes >>>>>>>> this season.
But being in the best car is what F1 is all about. It's a team sport, >>>>>>>> which is focused almost entirely on the drivers, the lynchpins of the >>>>>>>> team.
For those saying Hamilton has only won in the best car, it is hard to >>>>>>>> deny, but think back to the other greats as well, because the same >>>>>>>> applies.
Senna's McLaren was a monster in the late 80s and early '90s, arguably >>>>>>>> more dominant than even Mercedes' 2020 masterpiece. Schumacher built >>>>>>>> up his enormous records, by driving in another of Formula 1's dominant >>>>>>>> eras - the Ferrari team of the early 2000s.
The best drivers find their way to the best cars and become dominant >>>>>>>> forces. It is what we have seen before and it is what we are seeing >>>>>>>> now."
----------------------------------------------------
But then again, what would an actual F1 driver like Jolyon Palmer know >>>>>>>> in comparison to someone who putters around in lesser cars at weekends >>>>>>>> ;)
But then again, you ignore what the importance of the word "just" is in >>>>>>> that sentence, don't you? As you also ignore this:
"Undoubtedly Hamilton would not have broken Schumacher's record if he >>>>>>> had been driving anything but a Mercedes since 2014"
And this:
"But being in the best car is what F1 is all about."
And this:
"For those saying Hamilton has only won in the best car, it is hard to deny"
He is saying that: "Yes: Hamilton is driving the best car and has done >>>>>>> almost all his winning in the best car of each season".
As for "puttering around in lesser cars", I'll defend the honour of my >>>>>>> class by pointing out a few others who also "puttered":
Michael Andretti,
Jenson Button
David Coulthard
Emerson Fittipaldi
Mika Hakkinen
Damon Hill
Eddie Irvine
Jan Magnussen
Kevin Magnussen
Nigel Mansell
Roberto Moreno
Michael Schumacher,
Ayrton Senna,
Gilles Villeneuve and his son Jacques
Also:
Patrick Carpentier,
Alexandre Tagliani,
Bertrand Godin,
Claude Bourbonnais,
Greg Moore,
Paul Tracy
Derek Daly
Scott Dixon
Mario Franchitti
And I didn't even get to this page:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Formula_Ford_drivers&pagefrom=Munro%2C+James%0AJames+Munro+%28racing+driver%29#mw-pages>
So I'll consider myself to be in pretty good company.
Wow, putting yourself on a par with that list is something special,, >>>>>> even for someone with your level of egotism.
Nope. I said I'm in "good company".
That in no way implies I think I'm on par with any of them.
Like most egotists, you can't see your own egotism in describing
yourself in the company of drivers who have all moved well beyond
puttering around in lesser cars.
Nope. I'm pointing out that those supposedly "lesser cars" were and are
a very important class for developing race drivers.
By no means am I trying to suggest that I'm am on par with any of them.
Nothing to say?
Just pointing out that your implications about the class are complete >>>>> and utter bullshit.
I am faster around Mission than the 2015 US amateur champion, though. So >>>>> whatever I'm doing, it's hardly "puttering". You should watch some FF >>>>> some time. You'll see some real racing.
Tell me: how fast do you think my "puttering" little car goes?
Last time I watched FF [1], they peaked out at around 140-150 mph
which is seriously impressive and exhilarating for cars of their size
but nothing remotely close to F1 except in your inflated imagination.
[Leinster Trophy at Mondello Park outside Dublin a few years ago. By
coincidence, Derek Warwick did an exhibition drive in a Jordan F1 car
so the comparison was there in plain sight :) ]
And it's only in the limited understanding of no-nothings like you that >thinks that top speed is important in how difficult it is to drive at
the limit.
When people learn I drive a racing car of some kind, the first question
they ask is almost universally, "How fast do you go?"...
...and it is utterly irrelevant.
On Tue, 3 Nov 2020 05:58:09 -0800, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-11-03 5:28 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Mon, 2 Nov 2020 08:55:13 -0800, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-11-02 8:26 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2020 07:00:29 -0700, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-10-31 2:14 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2020 09:29:14 -0700, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-10-28 8:18 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2020 01:16:44 -0700 (PDT), Colin Stone
<crmstone@gmail.com> wrote:
But the innate feeling a driver has through his body to pick the optimum brake point and pressure, turn in at the perfect amount to keep the car balanced, and pick up the throttle to the limit of grip while avoiding wheel spinning on exits remain the same.
Ayrton Senna showed this level of skill to mark himself out as a great in times gone by, and Max Verstappen is showing it now, too, albeit without the pressures of being in a title battle. But the consistency with which Hamilton delivers is what is just so impressive. He barely ever gets it wrong, when everybody around falters.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/54686292
------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> "It's not just about his car
Of course, there will be doubters who say Hamilton's success is >>>>>>>>> largely down to the car.
Undoubtedly Hamilton would not have broken Schumacher's record if he >>>>>>>>> had been driving anything but a Mercedes since 2014, and he certainly >>>>>>>>> would not be a six-going-on-seven-time champion in another car. >>>>>>>>>
I do think, though, that he could have won titles for Ferrari where >>>>>>>>> Vettel faltered, and, who knows, perhaps in a Red Bull this year he >>>>>>>>> could be challenging as well. After all, Verstappen is only 17 points >>>>>>>>> behind Bottas in the standings, despite having a few reliability woes >>>>>>>>> this season.
But being in the best car is what F1 is all about. It's a team sport, >>>>>>>>> which is focused almost entirely on the drivers, the lynchpins of the >>>>>>>>> team.
For those saying Hamilton has only won in the best car, it is hard to >>>>>>>>> deny, but think back to the other greats as well, because the same >>>>>>>>> applies.
Senna's McLaren was a monster in the late 80s and early '90s, arguably
more dominant than even Mercedes' 2020 masterpiece. Schumacher built >>>>>>>>> up his enormous records, by driving in another of Formula 1's dominant
eras - the Ferrari team of the early 2000s.
The best drivers find their way to the best cars and become dominant >>>>>>>>> forces. It is what we have seen before and it is what we are seeing >>>>>>>>> now."
----------------------------------------------------
But then again, what would an actual F1 driver like Jolyon Palmer know
in comparison to someone who putters around in lesser cars at weekends
;)
But then again, you ignore what the importance of the word "just" is in
that sentence, don't you? As you also ignore this:
"Undoubtedly Hamilton would not have broken Schumacher's record if he >>>>>>>> had been driving anything but a Mercedes since 2014"
And this:
"But being in the best car is what F1 is all about."
And this:
"For those saying Hamilton has only won in the best car, it is hard to deny"
He is saying that: "Yes: Hamilton is driving the best car and has done >>>>>>>> almost all his winning in the best car of each season".
As for "puttering around in lesser cars", I'll defend the honour of my >>>>>>>> class by pointing out a few others who also "puttered":
Michael Andretti,
Jenson Button
David Coulthard
Emerson Fittipaldi
Mika Hakkinen
Damon Hill
Eddie Irvine
Jan Magnussen
Kevin Magnussen
Nigel Mansell
Roberto Moreno
Michael Schumacher,
Ayrton Senna,
Gilles Villeneuve and his son Jacques
Also:
Patrick Carpentier,
Alexandre Tagliani,
Bertrand Godin,
Claude Bourbonnais,
Greg Moore,
Paul Tracy
Derek Daly
Scott Dixon
Mario Franchitti
And I didn't even get to this page:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Formula_Ford_drivers&pagefrom=Munro%2C+James%0AJames+Munro+%28racing+driver%29#mw-pages>
So I'll consider myself to be in pretty good company.
Wow, putting yourself on a par with that list is something special,, >>>>>>> even for someone with your level of egotism.
Nope. I said I'm in "good company".
That in no way implies I think I'm on par with any of them.
Like most egotists, you can't see your own egotism in describing
yourself in the company of drivers who have all moved well beyond
puttering around in lesser cars.
Nope. I'm pointing out that those supposedly "lesser cars" were and are >>>> a very important class for developing race drivers.
By no means am I trying to suggest that I'm am on par with any of them. >>>>
Nothing to say?
Just pointing out that your implications about the class are complete >>>>>> and utter bullshit.
I am faster around Mission than the 2015 US amateur champion, though. So >>>>>> whatever I'm doing, it's hardly "puttering". You should watch some FF >>>>>> some time. You'll see some real racing.
Tell me: how fast do you think my "puttering" little car goes?
Last time I watched FF [1], they peaked out at around 140-150 mph
which is seriously impressive and exhilarating for cars of their size
but nothing remotely close to F1 except in your inflated imagination.
[Leinster Trophy at Mondello Park outside Dublin a few years ago. By
coincidence, Derek Warwick did an exhibition drive in a Jordan F1 car
so the comparison was there in plain sight :) ]
And it's only in the limited understanding of no-nothings like you that
thinks that top speed is important in how difficult it is to drive at
the limit.
So why did you ask me if I know how fast your little car goes?
When people learn I drive a racing car of some kind, the first question
they ask is almost universally, "How fast do you go?"...
...and it is utterly irrelevant.
So why did you ask me if I know how fast your little car goes?
[snip Alan blowing his trumpet]
On Tue, 3 Nov 2020 05:58:09 -0800, Alan Baker<snipped>
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-11-03 5:28 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Mon, 2 Nov 2020 08:55:13 -0800, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
Tell me: how fast do you think my "puttering" little car goes?
Last time I watched FF [1], they peaked out at around 140-150 mph
which is seriously impressive and exhilarating for cars of their size
but nothing remotely close to F1 except in your inflated imagination.
[Leinster Trophy at Mondello Park outside Dublin a few years ago. By
coincidence, Derek Warwick did an exhibition drive in a Jordan F1 car
so the comparison was there in plain sight :) ]
And it's only in the limited understanding of no-nothings like you that
thinks that top speed is important in how difficult it is to drive at
the limit.
So why did you ask me if I know how fast your little car goes?
When people learn I drive a racing car of some kind, the first question
they ask is almost universally, "How fast do you go?"...
...and it is utterly irrelevant.
So why did you ask me if I know how fast your little car goes?
[snip Alan blowing his trumpet]
On 4/11/2020 8:31 am, Martin Harran wrote:
On Tue, 3 Nov 2020 05:58:09 -0800, Alan Baker<snipped>
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-11-03 5:28 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Mon, 2 Nov 2020 08:55:13 -0800, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
Tell me: how fast do you think my "puttering" little car goes?
Last time I watched FF [1], they peaked out at around 140-150 mph
which is seriously impressive and exhilarating for cars of their size
but nothing remotely close to F1 except in your inflated imagination.
[Leinster Trophy at Mondello Park outside Dublin a few years ago. By
coincidence, Derek Warwick did an exhibition drive in a Jordan F1 car
so the comparison was there in plain sight :) ]
And it's only in the limited understanding of no-nothings like you that
thinks that top speed is important in how difficult it is to drive at
the limit.
Irony Alert!!!!
A know-nothing, while digging themselves into a deeper hole, calling
someone else a "no-nothing".
I gotta stop reading these desperate attention-seeking posts - or
perhaps kill-filing both parties would fix it. Feeding trolls just encourages them. Even if you think you're putting them down it's still someone [anyone] talking to them, giving them the attention they just
can't get in real life. They'll just keep coming back for more. (I know, more irony.)
I gotta stop reading these desperate attention-seeking posts - or perhaps kill-filing both parties
would fix it.
or perhaps kill-filing both parties
would fix it.
On 4/11/2020 8:31 am, Martin Harran wrote:
On Tue, 3 Nov 2020 05:58:09 -0800, Alan Baker<snipped>
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-11-03 5:28 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Mon, 2 Nov 2020 08:55:13 -0800, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
Tell me: how fast do you think my "puttering" little car goes?
Last time I watched FF [1], they peaked out at around 140-150 mph
which is seriously impressive and exhilarating for cars of their size
but nothing remotely close to F1 except in your inflated imagination.
[Leinster Trophy at Mondello Park outside Dublin a few years ago. By
coincidence, Derek Warwick did an exhibition drive in a Jordan F1 car
so the comparison was there in plain sight :) ]
And it's only in the limited understanding of no-nothings like you that
thinks that top speed is important in how difficult it is to drive at
the limit.
Irony Alert!!!!
A know-nothing, while digging themselves into a deeper hole, calling someone else a "no-nothing".
I gotta stop reading these desperate attention-seeking posts - or perhaps kill-filing both parties
would fix it. Feeding trolls just encourages them. Even if you think you're putting them down it's
still someone [anyone] talking to them, giving them the attention they just can't get in real life.
They'll just keep coming back for more. (I know, more irony.)
--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32So why did you ask me if I know how fast your little car goes?
When people learn I drive a racing car of some kind, the first question
they ask is almost universally, "How fast do you go?"...
...and it is utterly irrelevant.
So why did you ask me if I know how fast your little car goes?
[snip Alan blowing his trumpet]
It sounds like my inability to resist baiting Alan is matched by your inability to watch me doing it - we both suffer from the "can't stop
looking at the car wreck" syndrome ;)
Anyway, I've had enough in this thread, I don't think he could tie
himself in any worse knots than he already has!
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