• Honda Pulls Mario Andretti From Driving the Two-Seater IndyCar

    From a425couple@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1,rec.autos.sport. on Mon Nov 2 13:16:03 2020
    Chances to ride in a high performance car driven by
    a World Driver Champion and all time many series great
    are now over.
    I'd guess misfit will say it was about time!

    from https://www.thedrive.com/news/37386/honda-pulls-mario-andretti-from-driving-the-two-seater-indycar-and-we-had-the-last-ride?fbclid=IwAR3XDTFhFZGHXM--dwv7iyx-TaLiPfwLrCBTuIaXQgQXWThGaUp0AmEO4F4

    Honda Pulls Mario Andretti From Driving the Two-Seater IndyCar, and We
    Had the Last Ride [UPDATE]
    Mario Andretti is no longer driving the fastest seat in sports. We took
    the very last ride with him.
    BYSTEVE COLE SMITHOCTOBER 31, 2020
    NEWS
    mario andretti two seater indycarHOWARD WALKER
    SHARE


    Lady Gaga, Channing Tatum, Nick Cannon, Mark Wahlberg and Julian Edelman
    have all sat where my substantial rear was parked on October 25: In
    Mario AndrettirCOs famous two-person Honda IndyCar, long marketed as the Fastest Seat in Sports. Andretti's been giving these thrill rides to
    lucky fans and VIPs for the better part of a decade. But the iconic
    racer, who turns 81 in February, has formally been removed from the
    driver's seat by Honda.

    And somehow, the fates aligned to put me in the car for his very last drive.

    [UPDATE 11/2, 11:15am ET: Over the weekend, Racer.com published a
    rebuttal to our storyrCothough this account never uses the word "fired" as Racer purportsrCociting both an anonymous Honda source and Mario Andretti himself, who claims he hasn't been told anything to this effect. This is despite repeated on-the-record statements to The Drive from Honda's PR department saying the St. Petersburg race on October 25 was Andretti's
    last for the company. We are looking into the situation and will post
    further updates as we get them.]

    Why is this happening? Honda declined to comment, but rCL81 in FebruaryrCY
    may have something to do with it, liability- and insurance-wise.
    Regardless, I have never been so polite in a line as I was last Sunday,
    when it was, rCLNo, you go ahead,rCY as I drifted to the rear of the line of 20 or so queued up at the St. Petersburg Grand Prix at 7 a.m. race
    morning, paperwork (a lot of paperwork) in hand.

    Eventually, it was time for the last and final person: me. IrCOd suited up
    90 minutes earlier, and not one kid asked me for my autograph, if that
    tells you something about how I look in a fire suit. I was herded into
    the carrCothis thing moves like a synthetic-oiled machinerCoand I was
    strapped in, the crew started the engine, and Andretti roared off.

    DEBORAH VAN VALIN
    As you likely know, the St. Pete street course is rough and tight and
    the walls come at you so fast that...wow. YourCOd never know the man
    driving had 60 years on some of the competitors whorCOd race later that
    day. It's not like you can have a conversation or, you know, even see
    the other person's face in a two-seat IndyCar, but watching and feeling
    the car react to his preternatural inputs was its own form of
    communication. Mario told me later he had been at about 85 percent,
    which was good for 165 mph on the main straight of the race track, the
    runway for Albert Whitted Airport.

    Then hard on the brakes, back to the pits. Unbuckled, as did Andretti,
    and we spoke for a while.

    rCLThough the rCyFastest SeatrCO doesnrCOt necessarily give you a feel for the racing, I hope it gave you a feel for what itrCOs like out there, to be in
    the middle of 20 other cars. ItrCOs pretty authentic,rCY Andretti said.

    ItrCOs a wonderful way to showcase our sport,rCY he said. rCLOur sport is very non-participant. You can go to a driving school, and yourCOre driving 15 percent. I know, I had one. Then they lie on the speeds. Here, we can
    reliably run at 80 or 85 percent, and hopefully you come away with an appreciation of what our racers do. ThatrCOs the reason I do this. Because
    I love it.rCY

    DEBORAH VAN VALIN
    Indeed, it isnrCOt that hard to imagine what a single car can do on the
    track. But on-the-edge racing for 100 laps rCo anybody want to argue again that these arenrCOt athletes?

    Mario Andretti sure as hell is. Fifty-two IndyCar wins and four
    championships; the Daytona 500, the PikerCOs Peak Hill Climb, and the
    Formula 1 championship rCo the last American to win an F1 race (a good
    trivia question, the 1978 Dutch Grand Prix). At that moment last Sunday, neither of us knew it would be his last time inviting some mope like me
    along for the ride in the sport that made him. To think about it now,
    another abrupt ending in a year of abrupt endings, is sad and poignant
    all at once.

    IrCOm old and seldom awed. But Mario Andretti, one of the nicest people in racing, has awed me for decades. And hopefully will for a decade or two
    more.

    Got a tip? Send us a note: tips@thedrive.com

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    next was:
    11 Thoughts YourCOll Have While Mario Andretti Drives You Around Indy at
    170 MPH
    He's too good to crash, right?
    BYSEAN EVANSMAY 27, 2016
    VIDEO
    SharePlay Video

    SHARE
    SEAN EVANSView Sean Evans's Articles
    AngryInParadiseAngryInParadise

    (old story)
    Mario Andretti is 76 years old. As the greatest living racer of our
    generation nears octogenarian status, he shows zero indication that herCOs willing to slow down. I know this because the man expertly whipped me
    around the Indianapolis Motor Speedway earlier this month at speeds more
    than double his age. And he wouldrCOve gone faster, were we not
    constrained to the road course. rCLOn the oval, MariorCOll hit 200 miles an hour easy,rCY Scott Jasek says. rCLHerCOs always looking for more speed.rCY

    Jasek, along with partners Jeff Sinden and Joe Kennedy, co-own the Indy
    Racing Experience, a company that puts you in a two-seater Dallara, just behind Andretti and a few other race phenoms, for two hot laps you will
    never forget. The chassis are original, and purpose-built, as compared
    to lesser competitor offerings which are welded together from two donor
    cars. That difference is key because the rigidity allows Andretti to get
    that Honda 3.5-liter V6 twin turbo fully cranking. That powerplant, the
    same found in any other Honda-powered Indy car, generates 700 horsepower
    and is mated to an Emco six-speed tranny, also found in any Indy car.
    rCLThe only difference between this and what yourCOll see in the 500 this weekend is that extra seat,rCY Jasek says.

    After signing many release forms, which ask for your primary physicianrCOs contact information and your blood type, you tug on a race suit, head
    sock and helmet and queue up while Andretti and a team run through a
    final once-over of the car. When the crew chief beckons, you climb in
    and let the team make sure yourCOre fastened securely. Less than a minute later, the car thunders to life and away you go. Over the next four
    minutes, the time it takes Andretti to complete two passes on the road
    course, a slew of thoughts will fly around your head. Below, a
    collection of some of mine.

    1) rCLThis open cockpit makes everything feel much faster.rCY

    By the time werCOre halfway down pit lane, we barely hit 100 in there,
    though the forces pulling on your body are enough to lift your helmet
    up. That lifting sensation is so strong, I inadvertently feel myself white-knuckling the hand grips.

    2) rCLI canrCOt see anything. Just the top of AndrettirCOs head and the front tires.rCY

    YourCOre crammed right behind Andretti, with your legs essentially on
    either side of his body. Andretti knows when herCOs going to turn, so herCOs bracing for it. Thus, his head never moves. You have no idea when a turn
    is coming, so when it happens, your head ends up banging against the
    sides of the car.

    3) rCLMario may be trying to kill me in the brake zones.rCY

    When the guy wants to scrub his speed, he stomps on the brakes so hard, yourCOre sure the four point harness is going to snap your collar bone.

    4) rCLWhatrCOs this button back here?rCY

    Between the handles yourCOll be squeezing the bejesus out of, thererCOs a small red button. No one explained what it was before we left, though
    Jasek later informs me itrCOs a panic button. Hit it and rCLPANICrCY literally appears on AndrettirCOs wheel. rCLNo onerCOs ever hit that in the 15 years werCOve been doing this,rCY Jasek says.


    DON'T FORGET TO SIGN UP
    YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS
    E-MAIL

    5) rCLWerCOre sliding, werCOre sliding. Oh shit, werCOre sliding.rCY

    As Andretti gooses it through Turn 6, I can feel the back end get a
    little squirrely. I remember our chat before the drive, where Andretti estimated herCOs driven more than 100,000 miles on at this very track and
    try to calm down.

    6) rCLIs my weight affecting the handling?rCY

    Turns out, itrCOs not. They donrCOt adjust for the plus one, and Andretti
    will just punch the gas harder if the passenger is heavier than 200
    pounds. Two of the newer chassis are built to accommodate a guest up to
    300 pounds.

    7) rCLThis costs $125 a minute.rCY

    For the layperson to sign up for this thrill, itrCOs $500 for the two
    laps. Divided by the approximately four minutes, and yourCOre looking at a hefty per-minute fee, though itrCOs well worth the cost of admission.

    8) rCLThe straight is going to suck me out of this car.rCY

    Coming out of Turn 14 which dumps you into the front straight, Andretti
    drops the hammer and werCOre doing 170 in short order. My helmet feels
    like it wants to fly away and take my head with it. Later, I learn that werCOre pulling 2gs while an Indy racer would typically experience double
    that during a real race.

    9) rCLMy entire body is tense.rCY

    As we start the second lap, I realize IrCOm aching all over because IrCOm so rigid from trying to hold on and brace myself for turns and brake zones
    that I canrCOt anticipate.

    10) rCLAre we getting closer to the wall?rCY

    When you exit the road course onto the front straight, the wall is just
    to your left. It comes up blisteringly quick, though on our first lap we didnrCOt get as close. Our second lap, I could tell Andretti was feeling
    more comfortable and pushing it more. The engine was revving higher and louder, we seemed to be going faster (though Andretti would have no way
    of knowing since he can only see his RPMs and not his speed while in the
    car), and that wall drew nearer.

    11) rCLOh my god. Mario just hit the wall.rCY

    I wasnrCOt in the car when this happened. I was watching from the Pagoda,
    and it was about an hour and a half after my laps had finished. Andretti
    came hauling through that same spot though, really trying to find the
    limit, when suddenly the car careened into the wall and bounced off.
    They kept going and completed the second lap. rCLMario white walled the
    tires for us,rCY Jasek laughed, adding thatrCOs the first time in 15 years Andretti had ever done had a mishap like that. rCLMario came into the
    trailer, laughing, asking if we saw. He thought it was funny. To him,
    itrCOs just a part of racing.rCY

    Watch footage of my laps with Andretti above.


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  • From leonard hofstatder@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1,rec.autos.sport. on Mon Nov 2 18:02:44 2020
    Fake News
    https://twitter.com/MarioAndretti/status/1323062940560445441












    On 11/2/2020 3:16 PM, a425couple wrote:
    Chances to ride in a high performance car driven by
    a World Driver Champion and all time many series great
    are now over.
    I'd guess misfit will say it was about time!

    from https://www.thedrive.com/news/37386/honda-pulls-mario-andretti-from-driving-the-two-seater-indycar-and-we-had-the-last-ride?fbclid=IwAR3XDTFhFZGHXM--dwv7iyx-TaLiPfwLrCBTuIaXQgQXWThGaUp0AmEO4F4


    Honda Pulls Mario Andretti From Driving the Two-Seater IndyCar, and We
    Had the Last Ride [UPDATE]
    Mario Andretti is no longer driving the fastest seat in sports. We took
    the very last ride with him.
    BYSTEVE COLE SMITHOCTOBER 31, 2020
    NEWS
    mario andretti two seater indycarHOWARD WALKER
    SHARE


    Lady Gaga, Channing Tatum, Nick Cannon, Mark Wahlberg and Julian Edelman have all sat where my substantial rear was parked on October 25: In
    Mario AndrettirCOs famous two-person Honda IndyCar, long marketed as the Fastest Seat in Sports. Andretti's been giving these thrill rides to
    lucky fans and VIPs for the better part of a decade. But the iconic
    racer, who turns 81 in February, has formally been removed from the
    driver's seat by Honda.

    And somehow, the fates aligned to put me in the car for his very last
    drive.

    [UPDATE 11/2, 11:15am ET: Over the weekend, Racer.com published a
    rebuttal to our storyrCothough this account never uses the word "fired" as Racer purportsrCociting both an anonymous Honda source and Mario Andretti himself, who claims he hasn't been told anything to this effect. This is despite repeated on-the-record statements to The Drive from Honda's PR department saying the St. Petersburg race on October 25 was Andretti's
    last for the company. We are looking into the situation and will post further updates as we get them.]

    Why is this happening? Honda declined to comment, but rCL81 in FebruaryrCY may have something to do with it, liability- and insurance-wise.
    Regardless, I have never been so polite in a line as I was last Sunday,
    when it was, rCLNo, you go ahead,rCY as I drifted to the rear of the line of 20 or so queued up at the St. Petersburg Grand Prix at 7 a.m. race
    morning, paperwork (a lot of paperwork) in hand.

    Eventually, it was time for the last and final person: me. IrCOd suited up 90 minutes earlier, and not one kid asked me for my autograph, if that
    tells you something about how I look in a fire suit. I was herded into
    the carrCothis thing moves like a synthetic-oiled machinerCoand I was strapped in, the crew started the engine, and Andretti roared off.

    DEBORAH VAN VALIN
    As you likely know, the St. Pete street course is rough and tight and
    the walls come at you so fast that...wow. YourCOd never know the man
    driving had 60 years on some of the competitors whorCOd race later that
    day. It's not like you can have a conversation or, you know, even see
    the other person's face in a two-seat IndyCar, but watching and feeling
    the car react to his preternatural inputs was its own form of
    communication. Mario told me later he had been at about 85 percent,
    which was good for 165 mph on the main straight of the race track, the runway for Albert Whitted Airport.

    Then hard on the brakes, back to the pits. Unbuckled, as did Andretti,
    and we spoke for a while.

    rCLThough the rCyFastest SeatrCO doesnrCOt necessarily give you a feel for the
    racing, I hope it gave you a feel for what itrCOs like out there, to be in the middle of 20 other cars. ItrCOs pretty authentic,rCY Andretti said.

    ItrCOs a wonderful way to showcase our sport,rCY he said. rCLOur sport is very
    non-participant. You can go to a driving school, and yourCOre driving 15 percent. I know, I had one. Then they lie on the speeds. Here, we can reliably run at 80 or 85 percent, and hopefully you come away with an appreciation of what our racers do. ThatrCOs the reason I do this. Because
    I love it.rCY

    DEBORAH VAN VALIN
    Indeed, it isnrCOt that hard to imagine what a single car can do on the track. But on-the-edge racing for 100 laps rCo anybody want to argue again that these arenrCOt athletes?

    Mario Andretti sure as hell is. Fifty-two IndyCar wins and four championships; the Daytona 500, the PikerCOs Peak Hill Climb, and the Formula 1 championship rCo the last American to win an F1 race (a good trivia question, the 1978 Dutch Grand Prix). At that moment last Sunday, neither of us knew it would be his last time inviting some mope like me along for the ride in the sport that made him. To think about it now, another abrupt ending in a year of abrupt endings, is sad and poignant
    all at once.

    IrCOm old and seldom awed. But Mario Andretti, one of the nicest people in racing, has awed me for decades. And hopefully will for a decade or two more.

    Got a tip? Send us a note: tips@thedrive.com

    --------------------------
    next was:
    11 Thoughts YourCOll Have While Mario Andretti Drives You Around Indy at
    170 MPH
    He's too good to crash, right?
    BYSEAN EVANSMAY 27, 2016
    VIDEO
    SharePlay Video

    SHARE
    SEAN EVANSView Sean Evans's Articles
    AngryInParadiseAngryInParadise

    (old story)
    Mario Andretti is 76 years old. As the greatest living racer of our generation nears octogenarian status, he shows zero indication that herCOs willing to slow down. I know this because the man expertly whipped me
    around the Indianapolis Motor Speedway earlier this month at speeds more than double his age. And he wouldrCOve gone faster, were we not
    constrained to the road course. rCLOn the oval, MariorCOll hit 200 miles an hour easy,rCY Scott Jasek says. rCLHerCOs always looking for more speed.rCY

    Jasek, along with partners Jeff Sinden and Joe Kennedy, co-own the Indy Racing Experience, a company that puts you in a two-seater Dallara, just behind Andretti and a few other race phenoms, for two hot laps you will never forget. The chassis are original, and purpose-built, as compared
    to lesser competitor offerings which are welded together from two donor cars. That difference is key because the rigidity allows Andretti to get that Honda 3.5-liter V6 twin turbo fully cranking. That powerplant, the
    same found in any other Honda-powered Indy car, generates 700 horsepower
    and is mated to an Emco six-speed tranny, also found in any Indy car.
    rCLThe only difference between this and what yourCOll see in the 500 this weekend is that extra seat,rCY Jasek says.

    After signing many release forms, which ask for your primary physicianrCOs contact information and your blood type, you tug on a race suit, head
    sock and helmet and queue up while Andretti and a team run through a
    final once-over of the car. When the crew chief beckons, you climb in
    and let the team make sure yourCOre fastened securely. Less than a minute later, the car thunders to life and away you go. Over the next four
    minutes, the time it takes Andretti to complete two passes on the road course, a slew of thoughts will fly around your head. Below, a
    collection of some of mine.

    1) rCLThis open cockpit makes everything feel much faster.rCY

    By the time werCOre halfway down pit lane, we barely hit 100 in there, though the forces pulling on your body are enough to lift your helmet
    up. That lifting sensation is so strong, I inadvertently feel myself white-knuckling the hand grips.

    2) rCLI canrCOt see anything. Just the top of AndrettirCOs head and the front
    tires.rCY

    YourCOre crammed right behind Andretti, with your legs essentially on
    either side of his body. Andretti knows when herCOs going to turn, so herCOs bracing for it. Thus, his head never moves. You have no idea when a turn
    is coming, so when it happens, your head ends up banging against the
    sides of the car.

    3) rCLMario may be trying to kill me in the brake zones.rCY

    When the guy wants to scrub his speed, he stomps on the brakes so hard, yourCOre sure the four point harness is going to snap your collar bone.

    4) rCLWhatrCOs this button back here?rCY

    Between the handles yourCOll be squeezing the bejesus out of, thererCOs a small red button. No one explained what it was before we left, though
    Jasek later informs me itrCOs a panic button. Hit it and rCLPANICrCY literally
    appears on AndrettirCOs wheel. rCLNo onerCOs ever hit that in the 15 years werCOve been doing this,rCY Jasek says.


    DON'T FORGET TO SIGN UP
    YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS
    E-MAIL

    5) rCLWerCOre sliding, werCOre sliding. Oh shit, werCOre sliding.rCY

    As Andretti gooses it through Turn 6, I can feel the back end get a
    little squirrely. I remember our chat before the drive, where Andretti estimated herCOs driven more than 100,000 miles on at this very track and try to calm down.

    6) rCLIs my weight affecting the handling?rCY

    Turns out, itrCOs not. They donrCOt adjust for the plus one, and Andretti will just punch the gas harder if the passenger is heavier than 200
    pounds. Two of the newer chassis are built to accommodate a guest up to
    300 pounds.

    7) rCLThis costs $125 a minute.rCY

    For the layperson to sign up for this thrill, itrCOs $500 for the two
    laps. Divided by the approximately four minutes, and yourCOre looking at a hefty per-minute fee, though itrCOs well worth the cost of admission.

    8) rCLThe straight is going to suck me out of this car.rCY

    Coming out of Turn 14 which dumps you into the front straight, Andretti drops the hammer and werCOre doing 170 in short order. My helmet feels
    like it wants to fly away and take my head with it. Later, I learn that werCOre pulling 2gs while an Indy racer would typically experience double that during a real race.

    9) rCLMy entire body is tense.rCY

    As we start the second lap, I realize IrCOm aching all over because IrCOm so rigid from trying to hold on and brace myself for turns and brake zones
    that I canrCOt anticipate.

    10) rCLAre we getting closer to the wall?rCY

    When you exit the road course onto the front straight, the wall is just
    to your left. It comes up blisteringly quick, though on our first lap we didnrCOt get as close. Our second lap, I could tell Andretti was feeling more comfortable and pushing it more. The engine was revving higher and louder, we seemed to be going faster (though Andretti would have no way
    of knowing since he can only see his RPMs and not his speed while in the car), and that wall drew nearer.

    11) rCLOh my god. Mario just hit the wall.rCY

    I wasnrCOt in the car when this happened. I was watching from the Pagoda, and it was about an hour and a half after my laps had finished. Andretti came hauling through that same spot though, really trying to find the
    limit, when suddenly the car careened into the wall and bounced off.
    They kept going and completed the second lap. rCLMario white walled the tires for us,rCY Jasek laughed, adding thatrCOs the first time in 15 years Andretti had ever done had a mishap like that. rCLMario came into the trailer, laughing, asking if we saw. He thought it was funny. To him,
    itrCOs just a part of racing.rCY

    Watch footage of my laps with Andretti above.


    MORE TO READ
    RELATED
    Mario Andretti and the Brutal Magic of Monza
    Triumph and death at ItalyrCOs most famous racetrack.
    READ NOW
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  • From ~misfit~@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1,rec.autos.sport. on Tue Nov 3 14:13:22 2020
    On 3/11/2020 1:02 pm, leonard hofstatder wrote:
    Fake News
    https://twitter.com/MarioAndretti/status/1323062940560445441

    Did you not read this in all of the text that you top-posted over?

    [UPDATE 11/2, 11:15am ET: Over the weekend, Racer.com published a rebuttal to our storyrCothough this
    account never uses the word "fired" as Racer purportsrCociting both an anonymous Honda source and
    Mario Andretti himself, who claims he hasn't been told anything to this effect. This is despite
    repeated on-the-record statements to The Drive from Honda's PR department saying the St. Petersburg
    race on October 25 was Andretti's last for the company. We are looking into the situation and will
    post further updates as we get them.]


    On 11/2/2020 3:16 PM, a425couple wrote:
    Chances to ride in a high performance car driven by
    a World Driver Champion and all time many series great
    are now over.
    I'd guess misfit will say it was about time!

    from
    https://www.thedrive.com/news/37386/honda-pulls-mario-andretti-from-driving-the-two-seater-indycar-and-we-had-the-last-ride?fbclid=IwAR3XDTFhFZGHXM--dwv7iyx-TaLiPfwLrCBTuIaXQgQXWThGaUp0AmEO4F4


    Honda Pulls Mario Andretti From Driving the Two-Seater IndyCar, and We Had the Last Ride [UPDATE]
    Mario Andretti is no longer driving the fastest seat in sports. We took the very last ride with him.
    BYSTEVE COLE SMITHOCTOBER 31, 2020
    NEWS
    mario andretti two seater indycarHOWARD WALKER
    SHARE


    Lady Gaga, Channing Tatum, Nick Cannon, Mark Wahlberg and Julian Edelman have all sat where my
    substantial rear was parked on October 25: In Mario AndrettirCOs famous two-person Honda IndyCar,
    long marketed as the Fastest Seat in Sports. Andretti's been giving these thrill rides to lucky
    fans and VIPs for the better part of a decade. But the iconic racer, who turns 81 in February,
    has formally been removed from the driver's seat by Honda.

    And somehow, the fates aligned to put me in the car for his very last drive. >>
    [UPDATE 11/2, 11:15am ET: Over the weekend, Racer.com published a rebuttal to our storyrCothough
    this account never uses the word "fired" as Racer purportsrCociting both an anonymous Honda source
    and Mario Andretti himself, who claims he hasn't been told anything to this effect. This is
    despite repeated on-the-record statements to The Drive from Honda's PR department saying the St.
    Petersburg race on October 25 was Andretti's last for the company. We are looking into the
    situation and will post further updates as we get them.]

    Why is this happening? Honda declined to comment, but rCL81 in FebruaryrCY may have something to do
    with it, liability- and insurance-wise. Regardless, I have never been so polite in a line as I
    was last Sunday, when it was, rCLNo, you go ahead,rCY as I drifted to the rear of the line of 20 or
    so queued up at the St. Petersburg Grand Prix at 7 a.m. race morning, paperwork (a lot of
    paperwork) in hand.

    Eventually, it was time for the last and final person: me. IrCOd suited up 90 minutes earlier, and
    not one kid asked me for my autograph, if that tells you something about how I look in a fire
    suit. I was herded into the carrCothis thing moves like a synthetic-oiled machinerCoand I was
    strapped in, the crew started the engine, and Andretti roared off.

    DEBORAH VAN VALIN
    As you likely know, the St. Pete street course is rough and tight and the walls come at you so
    fast that...wow. YourCOd never know the man driving had 60 years on some of the competitors whorCOd
    race later that day. It's not like you can have a conversation or, you know, even see the other
    person's face in a two-seat IndyCar, but watching and feeling the car react to his preternatural
    inputs was its own form of communication. Mario told me later he had been at about 85 percent,
    which was good for 165 mph on the main straight of the race track, the runway for Albert Whitted
    Airport.

    Then hard on the brakes, back to the pits. Unbuckled, as did Andretti, and we spoke for a while.

    rCLThough the rCyFastest SeatrCO doesnrCOt necessarily give you a feel for the racing, I hope it gave you
    a feel for what itrCOs like out there, to be in the middle of 20 other cars. ItrCOs pretty
    authentic,rCY Andretti said.

    ItrCOs a wonderful way to showcase our sport,rCY he said. rCLOur sport is very non-participant. You can
    go to a driving school, and yourCOre driving 15 percent. I know, I had one. Then they lie on the
    speeds. Here, we can reliably run at 80 or 85 percent, and hopefully you come away with an
    appreciation of what our racers do. ThatrCOs the reason I do this. Because I love it.rCY

    DEBORAH VAN VALIN
    Indeed, it isnrCOt that hard to imagine what a single car can do on the track. But on-the-edge
    racing for 100 laps rCo anybody want to argue again that these arenrCOt athletes?

    Mario Andretti sure as hell is. Fifty-two IndyCar wins and four championships; the Daytona 500,
    the PikerCOs Peak Hill Climb, and the Formula 1 championship rCo the last American to win an F1 race
    (a good trivia question, the 1978 Dutch Grand Prix). At that moment last Sunday, neither of us
    knew it would be his last time inviting some mope like me along for the ride in the sport that
    made him. To think about it now, another abrupt ending in a year of abrupt endings, is sad and
    poignant all at once.

    IrCOm old and seldom awed. But Mario Andretti, one of the nicest people in racing, has awed me for
    decades. And hopefully will for a decade or two more.

    Got a tip? Send us a note: tips@thedrive.com

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    11 Thoughts YourCOll Have While Mario Andretti Drives You Around Indy at 170 MPH
    He's too good to crash, right?
    BYSEAN EVANSMAY 27, 2016
    VIDEO
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    SHARE
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    AngryInParadiseAngryInParadise

    (old story)
    Mario Andretti is 76 years old. As the greatest living racer of our generation nears octogenarian
    status, he shows zero indication that herCOs willing to slow down. I know this because the man
    expertly whipped me around the Indianapolis Motor Speedway earlier this month at speeds more than
    double his age. And he wouldrCOve gone faster, were we not constrained to the road course. rCLOn the
    oval, MariorCOll hit 200 miles an hour easy,rCY Scott Jasek says. rCLHerCOs always looking for more speed.rCY

    Jasek, along with partners Jeff Sinden and Joe Kennedy, co-own the Indy Racing Experience, a
    company that puts you in a two-seater Dallara, just behind Andretti and a few other race phenoms,
    for two hot laps you will never forget. The chassis are original, and purpose-built, as compared
    to lesser competitor offerings which are welded together from two donor cars. That difference is
    key because the rigidity allows Andretti to get that Honda 3.5-liter V6 twin turbo fully
    cranking. That powerplant, the same found in any other Honda-powered Indy car, generates 700
    horsepower and is mated to an Emco six-speed tranny, also found in any Indy car. rCLThe only
    difference between this and what yourCOll see in the 500 this weekend is that extra seat,rCY Jasek says.

    After signing many release forms, which ask for your primary physicianrCOs contact information and
    your blood type, you tug on a race suit, head sock and helmet and queue up while Andretti and a
    team run through a final once-over of the car. When the crew chief beckons, you climb in and let
    the team make sure yourCOre fastened securely. Less than a minute later, the car thunders to life
    and away you go. Over the next four minutes, the time it takes Andretti to complete two passes on
    the road course, a slew of thoughts will fly around your head. Below, a collection of some of mine.

    1) rCLThis open cockpit makes everything feel much faster.rCY

    By the time werCOre halfway down pit lane, we barely hit 100 in there, though the forces pulling on
    your body are enough to lift your helmet up. That lifting sensation is so strong, I inadvertently
    feel myself white-knuckling the hand grips.

    2) rCLI canrCOt see anything. Just the top of AndrettirCOs head and the front tires.rCY

    YourCOre crammed right behind Andretti, with your legs essentially on either side of his body.
    Andretti knows when herCOs going to turn, so herCOs bracing for it. Thus, his head never moves. You
    have no idea when a turn is coming, so when it happens, your head ends up banging against the
    sides of the car.

    3) rCLMario may be trying to kill me in the brake zones.rCY

    When the guy wants to scrub his speed, he stomps on the brakes so hard, yourCOre sure the four
    point harness is going to snap your collar bone.

    4) rCLWhatrCOs this button back here?rCY

    Between the handles yourCOll be squeezing the bejesus out of, thererCOs a small red button. No one
    explained what it was before we left, though Jasek later informs me itrCOs a panic button. Hit it
    and rCLPANICrCY literally appears on AndrettirCOs wheel. rCLNo onerCOs ever hit that in the 15 years werCOve
    been doing this,rCY Jasek says.


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    5) rCLWerCOre sliding, werCOre sliding. Oh shit, werCOre sliding.rCY

    As Andretti gooses it through Turn 6, I can feel the back end get a little squirrely. I remember
    our chat before the drive, where Andretti estimated herCOs driven more than 100,000 miles on at
    this very track and try to calm down.

    6) rCLIs my weight affecting the handling?rCY

    Turns out, itrCOs not. They donrCOt adjust for the plus one, and Andretti will just punch the gas
    harder if the passenger is heavier than 200 pounds. Two of the newer chassis are built to
    accommodate a guest up to 300 pounds.

    7) rCLThis costs $125 a minute.rCY

    For the layperson to sign up for this thrill, itrCOs $500 for the two laps. Divided by the
    approximately four minutes, and yourCOre looking at a hefty per-minute fee, though itrCOs well worth
    the cost of admission.

    8) rCLThe straight is going to suck me out of this car.rCY

    Coming out of Turn 14 which dumps you into the front straight, Andretti drops the hammer and
    werCOre doing 170 in short order. My helmet feels like it wants to fly away and take my head with
    it. Later, I learn that werCOre pulling 2gs while an Indy racer would typically experience double
    that during a real race.

    9) rCLMy entire body is tense.rCY

    As we start the second lap, I realize IrCOm aching all over because IrCOm so rigid from trying to
    hold on and brace myself for turns and brake zones that I canrCOt anticipate.

    10) rCLAre we getting closer to the wall?rCY

    When you exit the road course onto the front straight, the wall is just to your left. It comes up
    blisteringly quick, though on our first lap we didnrCOt get as close. Our second lap, I could tell
    Andretti was feeling more comfortable and pushing it more. The engine was revving higher and
    louder, we seemed to be going faster (though Andretti would have no way of knowing since he can
    only see his RPMs and not his speed while in the car), and that wall drew nearer.

    11) rCLOh my god. Mario just hit the wall.rCY

    I wasnrCOt in the car when this happened. I was watching from the Pagoda, and it was about an hour
    and a half after my laps had finished. Andretti came hauling through that same spot though,
    really trying to find the limit, when suddenly the car careened into the wall and bounced off.
    They kept going and completed the second lap. rCLMario white walled the tires for us,rCY Jasek
    laughed, adding thatrCOs the first time in 15 years Andretti had ever done had a mishap like that.
    rCLMario came into the trailer, laughing, asking if we saw. He thought it was funny. To him, itrCOs
    just a part of racing.rCY

    Watch footage of my laps with Andretti above.


    MORE TO READ
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    Triumph and death at ItalyrCOs most famous racetrack.
    READ NOW
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    The wild end of the 1979 Daytona 500, written by the man who raced it.
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  • From leonard hofstatder@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1,rec.autos.sport. on Mon Nov 2 20:20:54 2020
    On 11/2/2020 7:13 PM, ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 3/11/2020 1:02 pm, leonard hofstatder wrote:
    Fake News
    https://twitter.com/MarioAndretti/status/1323062940560445441

    Did you not read this in all of the text that you top-posted over?


    obviously not, duh




    [UPDATE 11/2, 11:15am ET: Over the weekend, Racer.com published a
    rebuttal to our storyrCothough this account never uses the word "fired" as Racer purportsrCociting both an anonymous Honda source and Mario Andretti himself, who claims he hasn't been told anything to this effect. This is despite repeated on-the-record statements to The Drive from Honda's PR department saying the St. Petersburg race on October 25 was Andretti's
    last for the company. We are looking into the situation and will post further updates as we get them.]


    On 11/2/2020 3:16 PM, a425couple wrote:
    Chances to ride in a high performance car driven by
    a World Driver Champion and all time many series great
    are now over.
    I'd guess misfit will say it was about time!

    from
    https://www.thedrive.com/news/37386/honda-pulls-mario-andretti-from-driving-the-two-seater-indycar-and-we-had-the-last-ride?fbclid=IwAR3XDTFhFZGHXM--dwv7iyx-TaLiPfwLrCBTuIaXQgQXWThGaUp0AmEO4F4


    Honda Pulls Mario Andretti From Driving the Two-Seater IndyCar, and
    We Had the Last Ride [UPDATE]
    Mario Andretti is no longer driving the fastest seat in sports. We
    took the very last ride with him.
    BYSTEVE COLE SMITHOCTOBER 31, 2020
    NEWS
    mario andretti two seater indycarHOWARD WALKER
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    Lady Gaga, Channing Tatum, Nick Cannon, Mark Wahlberg and Julian
    Edelman have all sat where my substantial rear was parked on October
    25: In Mario AndrettirCOs famous two-person Honda IndyCar, long
    marketed as the Fastest Seat in Sports. Andretti's been giving these
    thrill rides to lucky fans and VIPs for the better part of a decade.
    But the iconic racer, who turns 81 in February, has formally been
    removed from the driver's seat by Honda.

    And somehow, the fates aligned to put me in the car for his very last
    drive.

    [UPDATE 11/2, 11:15am ET: Over the weekend, Racer.com published a
    rebuttal to our storyrCothough this account never uses the word "fired" >>> as Racer purportsrCociting both an anonymous Honda source and Mario
    Andretti himself, who claims he hasn't been told anything to this
    effect. This is despite repeated on-the-record statements to The
    Drive from Honda's PR department saying the St. Petersburg race on
    October 25 was Andretti's last for the company. We are looking into
    the situation and will post further updates as we get them.]

    Why is this happening? Honda declined to comment, but rCL81 in
    FebruaryrCY may have something to do with it, liability- and
    insurance-wise. Regardless, I have never been so polite in a line as
    I was last Sunday, when it was, rCLNo, you go ahead,rCY as I drifted to >>> the rear of the line of 20 or so queued up at the St. Petersburg
    Grand Prix at 7 a.m. race morning, paperwork (a lot of paperwork) in
    hand.

    Eventually, it was time for the last and final person: me. IrCOd suited >>> up 90 minutes earlier, and not one kid asked me for my autograph, if
    that tells you something about how I look in a fire suit. I was
    herded into the carrCothis thing moves like a synthetic-oiled
    machinerCoand I was strapped in, the crew started the engine, and
    Andretti roared off.

    DEBORAH VAN VALIN
    As you likely know, the St. Pete street course is rough and tight and
    the walls come at you so fast that...wow. YourCOd never know the man
    driving had 60 years on some of the competitors whorCOd race later that >>> day. It's not like you can have a conversation or, you know, even see
    the other person's face in a two-seat IndyCar, but watching and
    feeling the car react to his preternatural inputs was its own form of
    communication. Mario told me later he had been at about 85 percent,
    which was good for 165 mph on the main straight of the race track,
    the runway for Albert Whitted Airport.

    Then hard on the brakes, back to the pits. Unbuckled, as did
    Andretti, and we spoke for a while.

    rCLThough the rCyFastest SeatrCO doesnrCOt necessarily give you a feel for >>> the racing, I hope it gave you a feel for what itrCOs like out there,
    to be in the middle of 20 other cars. ItrCOs pretty authentic,rCY
    Andretti said.

    ItrCOs a wonderful way to showcase our sport,rCY he said. rCLOur sport is >>> very non-participant. You can go to a driving school, and yourCOre
    driving 15 percent. I know, I had one. Then they lie on the speeds.
    Here, we can reliably run at 80 or 85 percent, and hopefully you come
    away with an appreciation of what our racers do. ThatrCOs the reason I
    do this. Because I love it.rCY

    DEBORAH VAN VALIN
    Indeed, it isnrCOt that hard to imagine what a single car can do on the >>> track. But on-the-edge racing for 100 laps rCo anybody want to argue
    again that these arenrCOt athletes?

    Mario Andretti sure as hell is. Fifty-two IndyCar wins and four
    championships; the Daytona 500, the PikerCOs Peak Hill Climb, and the
    Formula 1 championship rCo the last American to win an F1 race (a good
    trivia question, the 1978 Dutch Grand Prix). At that moment last
    Sunday, neither of us knew it would be his last time inviting some
    mope like me along for the ride in the sport that made him. To think
    about it now, another abrupt ending in a year of abrupt endings, is
    sad and poignant all at once.

    IrCOm old and seldom awed. But Mario Andretti, one of the nicest people >>> in racing, has awed me for decades. And hopefully will for a decade
    or two more.

    Got a tip? Send us a note: tips@thedrive.com

    --------------------------
    next was:
    11 Thoughts YourCOll Have While Mario Andretti Drives You Around Indy
    at 170 MPH
    He's too good to crash, right?
    BYSEAN EVANSMAY 27, 2016
    VIDEO
    SharePlay Video

    SHARE
    SEAN EVANSView Sean Evans's Articles
    AngryInParadiseAngryInParadise

    (old story)
    Mario Andretti is 76 years old. As the greatest living racer of our
    generation nears octogenarian status, he shows zero indication that
    herCOs willing to slow down. I know this because the man expertly
    whipped me around the Indianapolis Motor Speedway earlier this month
    at speeds more than double his age. And he wouldrCOve gone faster, were >>> we not constrained to the road course. rCLOn the oval, MariorCOll hit 200 >>> miles an hour easy,rCY Scott Jasek says. rCLHerCOs always looking for more >>> speed.rCY

    Jasek, along with partners Jeff Sinden and Joe Kennedy, co-own the
    Indy Racing Experience, a company that puts you in a two-seater
    Dallara, just behind Andretti and a few other race phenoms, for two
    hot laps you will never forget. The chassis are original, and
    purpose-built, as compared to lesser competitor offerings which are
    welded together from two donor cars. That difference is key because
    the rigidity allows Andretti to get that Honda 3.5-liter V6 twin
    turbo fully cranking. That powerplant, the same found in any other
    Honda-powered Indy car, generates 700 horsepower and is mated to an
    Emco six-speed tranny, also found in any Indy car. rCLThe only
    difference between this and what yourCOll see in the 500 this weekend
    is that extra seat,rCY Jasek says.

    After signing many release forms, which ask for your primary
    physicianrCOs contact information and your blood type, you tug on a
    race suit, head sock and helmet and queue up while Andretti and a
    team run through a final once-over of the car. When the crew chief
    beckons, you climb in and let the team make sure yourCOre fastened
    securely. Less than a minute later, the car thunders to life and away
    you go. Over the next four minutes, the time it takes Andretti to
    complete two passes on the road course, a slew of thoughts will fly
    around your head. Below, a collection of some of mine.

    1) rCLThis open cockpit makes everything feel much faster.rCY

    By the time werCOre halfway down pit lane, we barely hit 100 in there,
    though the forces pulling on your body are enough to lift your helmet
    up. That lifting sensation is so strong, I inadvertently feel myself
    white-knuckling the hand grips.

    2) rCLI canrCOt see anything. Just the top of AndrettirCOs head and the >>> front tires.rCY

    YourCOre crammed right behind Andretti, with your legs essentially on
    either side of his body. Andretti knows when herCOs going to turn, so
    herCOs bracing for it. Thus, his head never moves. You have no idea
    when a turn is coming, so when it happens, your head ends up banging
    against the sides of the car.

    3) rCLMario may be trying to kill me in the brake zones.rCY

    When the guy wants to scrub his speed, he stomps on the brakes so
    hard, yourCOre sure the four point harness is going to snap your collar >>> bone.

    4) rCLWhatrCOs this button back here?rCY

    Between the handles yourCOll be squeezing the bejesus out of, thererCOs a >>> small red button. No one explained what it was before we left, though
    Jasek later informs me itrCOs a panic button. Hit it and rCLPANICrCY
    literally appears on AndrettirCOs wheel. rCLNo onerCOs ever hit that in the
    15 years werCOve been doing this,rCY Jasek says.


    DON'T FORGET TO SIGN UP
    YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS
    E-MAIL

    5) rCLWerCOre sliding, werCOre sliding. Oh shit, werCOre sliding.rCY

    As Andretti gooses it through Turn 6, I can feel the back end get a
    little squirrely. I remember our chat before the drive, where
    Andretti estimated herCOs driven more than 100,000 miles on at this
    very track and try to calm down.

    6) rCLIs my weight affecting the handling?rCY

    Turns out, itrCOs not. They donrCOt adjust for the plus one, and Andretti >>> will just punch the gas harder if the passenger is heavier than 200
    pounds. Two of the newer chassis are built to accommodate a guest up
    to 300 pounds.

    7) rCLThis costs $125 a minute.rCY

    For the layperson to sign up for this thrill, itrCOs $500 for the two
    laps. Divided by the approximately four minutes, and yourCOre looking
    at a hefty per-minute fee, though itrCOs well worth the cost of admission. >>>
    8) rCLThe straight is going to suck me out of this car.rCY

    Coming out of Turn 14 which dumps you into the front straight,
    Andretti drops the hammer and werCOre doing 170 in short order. My
    helmet feels like it wants to fly away and take my head with it.
    Later, I learn that werCOre pulling 2gs while an Indy racer would
    typically experience double that during a real race.

    9) rCLMy entire body is tense.rCY

    As we start the second lap, I realize IrCOm aching all over because IrCOm >>> so rigid from trying to hold on and brace myself for turns and brake
    zones that I canrCOt anticipate.

    10) rCLAre we getting closer to the wall?rCY

    When you exit the road course onto the front straight, the wall is
    just to your left. It comes up blisteringly quick, though on our
    first lap we didnrCOt get as close. Our second lap, I could tell
    Andretti was feeling more comfortable and pushing it more. The engine
    was revving higher and louder, we seemed to be going faster (though
    Andretti would have no way of knowing since he can only see his RPMs
    and not his speed while in the car), and that wall drew nearer.

    11) rCLOh my god. Mario just hit the wall.rCY

    I wasnrCOt in the car when this happened. I was watching from the
    Pagoda, and it was about an hour and a half after my laps had
    finished. Andretti came hauling through that same spot though, really
    trying to find the limit, when suddenly the car careened into the
    wall and bounced off. They kept going and completed the second lap.
    rCLMario white walled the tires for us,rCY Jasek laughed, adding thatrCOs >>> the first time in 15 years Andretti had ever done had a mishap like
    that. rCLMario came into the trailer, laughing, asking if we saw. He
    thought it was funny. To him, itrCOs just a part of racing.rCY

    Watch footage of my laps with Andretti above.


    MORE TO READ
    RELATED
    Mario Andretti and the Brutal Magic of Monza
    Triumph and death at ItalyrCOs most famous racetrack.
    READ NOW
    RELATED
    Donnie Allison on the Greatest Lap In NASCAR History
    The wild end of the 1979 Daytona 500, written by the man who raced it.
    RELATED
    Ferrari Drops Audio of the F12 TDF Lapping Fiorano
    Aural fixation and petroleum obliteration.
    RELATED
    Mercedes-AMG GT-R Caught Hot-Lapping the N|+rburgring
    AMG's souped-up super sports car seen in flagrante delicto.
    RELATED
    A Terrifying Lap in the Audi R8 V10 Plus
    The Drive's disturbingly calm chief auto critic talks us through a
    180 mph Daytona run.



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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Nov 2 18:54:09 2020
    On Monday, November 2, 2020 at 6:13:24 PM UTC-7, ~misfit~ wrote:

    --
    Shaun.

    "Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
    in the DSM"
    David Melville

    This is not an email and hasn't been checked for viruses by any half-arsed self-promoting software.

    fuck off
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Nov 2 21:47:49 2020
    On Monday, November 2, 2020 at 6:13:24 PM UTC-7, ~misfit~ wrote:

    --
    Shaun.

    "Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
    in the DSM"
    David Melville

    This is not an email and hasn't been checked for viruses by any half-arsed self-promoting software.

    Oh no. A fucking top post.
    Please take of yourself during this difficult time.
    Do not do anything stupid.
    Stay the course with your meds.
    Call the help line for stupid, fucking,
    cock sucking assholes, if needed.
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