Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!
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Sir Tim
On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 8:36:14 PM UTC+11, Sir Tim wrote:
Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!
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Sir Tim
Ahhh, these modern drivers can't drive blah, blah.
I'm sure someone is spouting that stuff somewhere.
I've driven at Sandown with a new surface and very light rain. It was like oil.
On 15/11/2020 12:10 am, build wrote:
On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 8:36:14 PM UTC+11, Sir Tim wrote:
Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!
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Sir Tim
Ahhh, these modern drivers can't drive blah, blah.
I'm sure someone is spouting that stuff somewhere.
I've driven at Sandown with a new surface and very light rain. It was like oil.
I'm sure MasturBaker has driven better on newer and wetter and oilier tracks.
geoff
Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!
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Sir Tim
On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 8:36:14 PM UTC+11, Sir Tim wrote:
Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!
--Ice-Stanbul
Sir Tim
He he he,
Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!
On 14/11/2020 09:36, Sir Tim wrote:
Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!Safety car is doing well ...
Cheers
Geoff
On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 11:29:26 PM UTC+11, Geoff May wrote:
On 14/11/2020 09:36, Sir Tim wrote:Some of the spray on one straight looked like more than surface water. And a couple of minor rivers across the track. BUT, Bernd knows what he's doing, we can trust his opinion.
Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!Safety car is doing well ...
On 14/11/2020 12:34, build wrote:
On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 11:29:26 PM UTC+11, Geoff May wrote:
On 14/11/2020 09:36, Sir Tim wrote:Some of the spray on one straight looked like more than surface water. And a couple of minor rivers across the track. BUT, Bernd knows what he's doing, we can trust his opinion.
Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!Safety car is doing well ...
I think it was still raining while when he first started. Appears to
have stopped now and apparently there is a gap where it should dry up a bit.
Cheers
Geoff
On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 11:42:23 PM UTC+11, Geoff May wrote:
On 14/11/2020 12:34, build wrote:
On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 11:29:26 PM UTC+11, Geoff May wrote:
On 14/11/2020 09:36, Sir Tim wrote:Some of the spray on one straight looked like more than surface water. And a couple of minor rivers across the track. BUT, Bernd knows what he's doing, we can trust his opinion.
Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!Safety car is doing well ...
I think it was still raining while when he first started. Appears to
have stopped now and apparently there is a gap where it should dry up a bit.
Cheers
GeoffBugga !
Bugga
Bugga
On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 11:59:25 PM UTC+11, build wrote:
On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 11:42:23 PM UTC+11, Geoff May wrote:
On 14/11/2020 12:34, build wrote:
On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 11:29:26 PM UTC+11, Geoff May wrote:
On 14/11/2020 09:36, Sir Tim wrote:Some of the spray on one straight looked like more than surface water. And a couple of minor rivers across the track. BUT, Bernd knows what he's doing, we can trust his opinion.
Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!Safety car is doing well ...
I think it was still raining while when he first started. Appears to have stopped now and apparently there is a gap where it should dry up a bit.
Cheers
They need to give them more than 3 min. Maybe add 5 more?GeoffBugga !
Bugga
Bugga
On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 12:01:55 AM UTC+11, build wrote:
On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 11:59:25 PM UTC+11, build wrote:
On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 11:42:23 PM UTC+11, Geoff May wrote:
On 14/11/2020 12:34, build wrote:
On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 11:29:26 PM UTC+11, Geoff May wrote:
On 14/11/2020 09:36, Sir Tim wrote:Some of the spray on one straight looked like more than surface water. And a couple of minor rivers across the track. BUT, Bernd knows what he's doing, we can trust his opinion.
Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!Safety car is doing well ...
I think it was still raining while when he first started. Appears to have stopped now and apparently there is a gap where it should dry up a bit.
Cheers
Daylight between Max and the rest ! Kids good.They need to give them more than 3 min. Maybe add 5 more?GeoffBugga !
Bugga
Bugga
On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 12:12:22 AM UTC+11, build wrote:
On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 12:01:55 AM UTC+11, build wrote:
On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 11:59:25 PM UTC+11, build wrote:
On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 11:42:23 PM UTC+11, Geoff May wrote:
On 14/11/2020 12:34, build wrote:
On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 11:29:26 PM UTC+11, Geoff May wrote:
On 14/11/2020 09:36, Sir Tim wrote:Some of the spray on one straight looked like more than surface water. And a couple of minor rivers across the track. BUT, Bernd knows what he's doing, we can trust his opinion.
Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!Safety car is doing well ...
I think it was still raining while when he first started. Appears to have stopped now and apparently there is a gap where it should dry up a bit.
Cheers
Q2, well done pink team ! Yey.Daylight between Max and the rest ! Kids good.They need to give them more than 3 min. Maybe add 5 more?GeoffBugga !
Bugga
Bugga
On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 12:21:00 AM UTC+11, build wrote:
On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 12:12:22 AM UTC+11, build wrote:
On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 12:01:55 AM UTC+11, build wrote:
On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 11:59:25 PM UTC+11, build wrote:
On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 11:42:23 PM UTC+11, Geoff May wrote:
On 14/11/2020 12:34, build wrote:
On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 11:29:26 PM UTC+11, Geoff May wrote:
On 14/11/2020 09:36, Sir Tim wrote:Some of the spray on one straight looked like more than surface water. And a couple of minor rivers across the track. BUT, Bernd knows what he's doing, we can trust his opinion.
Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!Safety car is doing well ...
I think it was still raining while when he first started. Appears to
have stopped now and apparently there is a gap where it should dry up a bit.
Cheers
F1 is running two categories today, they have the 'Max Class' then the F1's.Q2, well done pink team ! Yey.Daylight between Max and the rest ! Kids good.They need to give them more than 3 min. Maybe add 5 more?GeoffBugga !
Bugga
Bugga
Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!
On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 12:21:00 AM UTC+11, build wrote:
On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 12:12:22 AM UTC+11, build wrote:
On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 12:01:55 AM UTC+11, build wrote:Q2, well done pink team ! Yey.
On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 11:59:25 PM UTC+11, build wrote:Daylight between Max and the rest ! Kids good.
On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 11:42:23 PM UTC+11, Geoff May wrote: >>>>>> On 14/11/2020 12:34, build wrote:They need to give them more than 3 min. Maybe add 5 more?
Bugga !On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 11:29:26 PM UTC+11, Geoff May wrote: >>>>>>>> On 14/11/2020 09:36, Sir Tim wrote:I think it was still raining while when he first started. Appears to >>>>>> have stopped now and apparently there is a gap where it should dry up a bit.
Some of the spray on one straight looked like more than surface water. And a couple of minor rivers across the track. BUT, Bernd knows what he's doing, we can trust his opinion.Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!Safety car is doing well ...
Cheers
Geoff
Bugga
Bugga
F1 is running two categories today, they have the 'Max Class' then the F1's.
I'm sure MasturBaker has driven better on newer and wetter and oilier tracks.
Max Verstappen: it doesn't surprise me that he was near the top of
the timing charts. I just read that the team went with intermediates
for Q3, and I CANNOT believe it. Those were clearly conditions where maximizing contact pressures were going to give the best grip.
On 11/14/2020 12:50 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
Max Verstappen: it doesn't surprise me that he was near the top of
the timing charts. I just read that the team went with
intermediates for Q3, and I CANNOT believe it. Those were clearly
conditions where maximizing contact pressures were going to give
the best grip.
Max set his first fast time on full wets, then aborted his second,
faster lap and came in to switch because Perez, on intermediates,
had beaten that time. I believe Stroll stayed on wets throughout;
Perez stuck with intermediates and ended up third.
On 2020-11-14 1:36 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!
With the time difference, and the way I get my local coverage, there was
no way for me to time delay, so I've only just seen the highlights
package, but... ...wow.
I've been on a track with something like that little grip, but never in
my Formula F; never in any race car. I did a high performance driving
day a few years ago in my Miata when our track was wet and still covered
in the muck from all the winter rain, and the first session on track
felt a lot like that looked. And there was one racing school where we actually got rain and hail mixed together, but it happened at the point where the students were driving.
Bravo, Lance! Rain is a great leveller and makes the driver a much
bigger part of the equation, so it looks like someone should give him a better car so we can see what he could really do in the dry.
Max Verstappen: it doesn't surprise me that he was near the top of the timing charts. I just read that the team went with intermediates for Q3,
and I CANNOT believe it. Those were clearly conditions where maximizing contact pressures were going to give the best grip. They actually left
in a radio communication at 50 seconds between Sainz and the McLaren pit wall that "inter looks best", and I mumbled to myself at the time that
they were crazy.
But despite a poor tire choice, Max is clearly one of--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
the very best drivers in the wet, and the very best in the wet have
almost always been among the very best overall. In Q2, he was nearly 2
full seconds faster than the next best
Which forces me to wonder why the driver who is supposed to be
(according to some here who've defended that position vociferously) "far beyond everyone" didn't do better in conditions where the driver's
ability is emphasized.
:-)
On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 4:50:53 AM UTC+11, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-11-14 1:36 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!With the time difference, and the way I get my local coverage, there was
no way for me to time delay, so I've only just seen the highlights
package, but... ...wow.
I've been on a track with something like that little grip, but never in
my Formula F; never in any race car. I did a high performance driving
day a few years ago in my Miata when our track was wet and still covered
in the muck from all the winter rain, and the first session on track
felt a lot like that looked. And there was one racing school where we
actually got rain and hail mixed together, but it happened at the point
where the students were driving.
Bravo, Lance! Rain is a great leveller and makes the driver a much
bigger part of the equation, so it looks like someone should give him a
better car so we can see what he could really do in the dry.
Max Verstappen: it doesn't surprise me that he was near the top of the
timing charts. I just read that the team went with intermediates for Q3,
and I CANNOT believe it. Those were clearly conditions where maximizing
contact pressures were going to give the best grip. They actually left
in a radio communication at 50 seconds between Sainz and the McLaren pit
wall that "inter looks best", and I mumbled to myself at the time that
they were crazy.
The F1 teams *know* what they are doing.
LS, MV, SP, AA, LH, VB, AG, all finished Q3 on Inters.
DR, EO, KR, stayed on Wets.
They all went to inters after Checo who did the entire session on Inters did a lap over 5 seconds faster than anyone.
Max's inters had 16 laps on them, preferring scrubbed tyres to bedding in new ones. That may be looked at in the debrief.
Checo's Inters had 6 laps and Lance 4.
I strongly suggest you listen to the tyre discussions post qually drivers pen interviews.
On 2020-11-14 5:53 p.m., build wrote:
On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 4:50:53 AM UTC+11, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-11-14 1:36 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!With the time difference, and the way I get my local coverage, there was >> no way for me to time delay, so I've only just seen the highlights
package, but... ...wow.
I've been on a track with something like that little grip, but never in >> my Formula F; never in any race car. I did a high performance driving
day a few years ago in my Miata when our track was wet and still covered >> in the muck from all the winter rain, and the first session on track
felt a lot like that looked. And there was one racing school where we
actually got rain and hail mixed together, but it happened at the point >> where the students were driving.
Bravo, Lance! Rain is a great leveller and makes the driver a much
bigger part of the equation, so it looks like someone should give him a >> better car so we can see what he could really do in the dry.
Max Verstappen: it doesn't surprise me that he was near the top of the
timing charts. I just read that the team went with intermediates for Q3, >> and I CANNOT believe it. Those were clearly conditions where maximizing >> contact pressures were going to give the best grip. They actually left
in a radio communication at 50 seconds between Sainz and the McLaren pit >> wall that "inter looks best", and I mumbled to myself at the time that
they were crazy.
The F1 teams *know* what they are doing.Except when they don't... ...as has happened many times in the past.
LS, MV, SP, AA, LH, VB, AG, all finished Q3 on Inters.I stand correct.
DR, EO, KR, stayed on Wets.So they DIDN'T know what they were doing? You seem to be contradicting yourself
They all went to inters after Checo who did the entire session on Inters did a lap over 5 seconds faster than anyone.Again, you literally JUST said that "F1 teams *know* what they are doing".
Max's inters had 16 laps on them, preferring scrubbed tyres to bedding in new ones. That may be looked at in the debrief.
Checo's Inters had 6 laps and Lance 4.
I strongly suggest you listen to the tyre discussions post qually drivers pen interviews.
Are you contradicting yourself... ...again?
On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 1:00:31 PM UTC+11, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-11-14 5:53 p.m., build wrote:
On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 4:50:53 AM UTC+11, Alan Baker wrote:Except when they don't... ...as has happened many times in the past.
On 2020-11-14 1:36 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!With the time difference, and the way I get my local coverage, there was >>>> no way for me to time delay, so I've only just seen the highlights
package, but... ...wow.
I've been on a track with something like that little grip, but never in >>>> my Formula F; never in any race car. I did a high performance driving
day a few years ago in my Miata when our track was wet and still covered >>>> in the muck from all the winter rain, and the first session on track
felt a lot like that looked. And there was one racing school where we
actually got rain and hail mixed together, but it happened at the point >>>> where the students were driving.
Bravo, Lance! Rain is a great leveller and makes the driver a much
bigger part of the equation, so it looks like someone should give him a >>>> better car so we can see what he could really do in the dry.
Max Verstappen: it doesn't surprise me that he was near the top of the >>>> timing charts. I just read that the team went with intermediates for Q3, >>>> and I CANNOT believe it. Those were clearly conditions where maximizing >>>> contact pressures were going to give the best grip. They actually left >>>> in a radio communication at 50 seconds between Sainz and the McLaren pit >>>> wall that "inter looks best", and I mumbled to myself at the time that >>>> they were crazy.
The F1 teams *know* what they are doing.
LS, MV, SP, AA, LH, VB, AG, all finished Q3 on Inters.I stand correct.
DR, EO, KR, stayed on Wets.So they DIDN'T know what they were doing? You seem to be contradicting
yourself
They all went to inters after Checo who did the entire session on Inters did a lap over 5 seconds faster than anyone.Again, you literally JUST said that "F1 teams *know* what they are doing". >>
Max's inters had 16 laps on them, preferring scrubbed tyres to bedding in new ones. That may be looked at in the debrief.
Checo's Inters had 6 laps and Lance 4.
I strongly suggest you listen to the tyre discussions post qually drivers pen interviews.
Are you contradicting yourself... ...again?
No.
You are a nice bloke but too well balanced, please knock at least one of them off.
On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 8:36:14 PM UTC+11, Sir Tim wrote:
Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!
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Sir Tim
Ice-Stanbul
He he he,
On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 12:21:00 AM UTC+11, build wrote:
On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 12:12:22 AM UTC+11, build wrote:
On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 12:01:55 AM UTC+11, build wrote:Q2, well done pink team ! Yey.
On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 11:59:25 PM UTC+11, build wrote:Daylight between Max and the rest ! Kids good.
On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 11:42:23 PM UTC+11, Geoff May wrote: >>>>>> On 14/11/2020 12:34, build wrote:They need to give them more than 3 min. Maybe add 5 more?
Bugga !On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 11:29:26 PM UTC+11, Geoff May wrote: >>>>>>>> On 14/11/2020 09:36, Sir Tim wrote:I think it was still raining while when he first started. Appears to >>>>>> have stopped now and apparently there is a gap where it should dry up a bit.
Some of the spray on one straight looked like more than surface water. And a couple of minor rivers across the track. BUT, Bernd knows what he's doing, we can trust his opinion.Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!Safety car is doing well ...
Cheers
Geoff
Bugga
Bugga
F1 is running two categories today, they have the 'Max Class' then the F1's.
Which forces me to wonder why the driver who is supposed to be
(according to some here who've defended that position vociferously) "far beyond everyone" didn't do better in conditions where the driver's
ability is emphasized.
:-)
On 15/11/2020 12:48 am, build wrote:
On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 8:36:14 PM UTC+11, Sir Tim wrote:
Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!
--
Sir Tim
Ice-Stanbul
He he he,
That is a petty, childish response son.
tsk, tsk
geoff
On 15/11/2020 6:50 am, Alan Baker wrote:
Which forces me to wonder why the driver who is supposed to be
(according to some here who've defended that position vociferously)
"far beyond everyone" didn't do better in conditions where the
driver's ability is emphasized.
:-)
Obviously made your day
Current weather appears to be sunny but cloudy.
On 15/11/2020 08:33, Geoff May wrote:
Current weather appears to be sunny but cloudy.And there is a cloud that is about to drop its load in "5 minutes", according to Sky.
Cheers
Geoff.
On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 7:42:55 PM UTC+11, Geoff May wrote:
On 15/11/2020 08:33, Geoff May wrote:
Current weather appears to be sunny but cloudy.And there is a cloud that is about to drop its load in "5 minutes",
according to Sky.
Cross fingers it is enough and not too much.
Does anyone else have fingers crossed for both Alex and Checo ? LOL.
On 2020-11-14 6:14 p.m., build wrote:
On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 1:00:31 PM UTC+11, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-11-14 5:53 p.m., build wrote:
On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 4:50:53 AM UTC+11, Alan Baker wrote: >>>> On 2020-11-14 1:36 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:Except when they don't... ...as has happened many times in the past.
Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!With the time difference, and the way I get my local coverage, there was
no way for me to time delay, so I've only just seen the highlights
package, but... ...wow.
I've been on a track with something like that little grip, but never in >>>> my Formula F; never in any race car. I did a high performance driving >>>> day a few years ago in my Miata when our track was wet and still covered
in the muck from all the winter rain, and the first session on track >>>> felt a lot like that looked. And there was one racing school where we >>>> actually got rain and hail mixed together, but it happened at the point >>>> where the students were driving.
Bravo, Lance! Rain is a great leveller and makes the driver a much
bigger part of the equation, so it looks like someone should give him a >>>> better car so we can see what he could really do in the dry.
Max Verstappen: it doesn't surprise me that he was near the top of the >>>> timing charts. I just read that the team went with intermediates for Q3,
and I CANNOT believe it. Those were clearly conditions where maximizing >>>> contact pressures were going to give the best grip. They actually left >>>> in a radio communication at 50 seconds between Sainz and the McLaren pit
wall that "inter looks best", and I mumbled to myself at the time that >>>> they were crazy.
The F1 teams *know* what they are doing.
LS, MV, SP, AA, LH, VB, AG, all finished Q3 on Inters.I stand correct.
DR, EO, KR, stayed on Wets.So they DIDN'T know what they were doing? You seem to be contradicting
yourself
They all went to inters after Checo who did the entire session on Inters did a lap over 5 seconds faster than anyone.Again, you literally JUST said that "F1 teams *know* what they are doing".
Max's inters had 16 laps on them, preferring scrubbed tyres to bedding in new ones. That may be looked at in the debrief.
Checo's Inters had 6 laps and Lance 4.
I strongly suggest you listen to the tyre discussions post qually drivers pen interviews.
Are you contradicting yourself... ...again?
No.Sorry... ...I'm doing the best I can.
You are a nice bloke but too well balanced, please knock at least one of them off.
:-)
On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 3:22:31 PM UTC+11, geoff wrote:
On 15/11/2020 12:48 am, build wrote:
On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 8:36:14 PM UTC+11, Sir Tim wrote:That is a petty, childish response son.
Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!
--
Sir Tim
Ice-Stanbul
He he he,
tsk, tsk
geoff
The comment was pinched from Sky, perhaps you weren't watching.
On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 7:42:55 PM UTC+11, Geoff May wrote:
On 15/11/2020 08:33, Geoff May wrote:
Current weather appears to be sunny but cloudy.And there is a cloud that is about to drop its load in "5 minutes",
according to Sky.
Cheers
Geoff.
Cross fingers it is enough and not too much.
Does anyone else have fingers crossed for both Alex and Checo ? LOL.
On 15/11/2020 9:53 pm, build wrote:
On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 7:42:55 PM UTC+11, Geoff May wrote:
On 15/11/2020 08:33, Geoff May wrote:
Current weather appears to be sunny but cloudy.And there is a cloud that is about to drop its load in "5 minutes",
according to Sky.
Cheers
Geoff.
Cross fingers it is enough and not too much.
Does anyone else have fingers crossed for both Alex and Checo ? LOL.
Checo especially - I feel that he's had a rough run, for no obvious
reason. Surely deserves a drive a lot more than some of the others who
do have contracts.
Albon seems to have been more of an architect of his own destiny, of late.
geoff
OK Max give us a recovery drive ... please.
On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 9:49:27 PM UTC+11, build wrote:
OK Max give us a recovery drive ... please.Interestingly: LH, MV, VB all on scrubbed (used) Inters ! ! !
Hmmmm,
On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 10:01:23 PM UTC+11, build wrote:
On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 9:49:27 PM UTC+11, build wrote:Charles, Seb, Carlos and Alex could finish on these tyres.
OK Max give us a recovery drive ... please.Interestingly: LH, MV, VB all on scrubbed (used) Inters ! ! !
Hmmmm,
LH and Checo will need a new set.
On 2020-11-14 1:36 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!
With the time difference, and the way I get my local coverage, there was
no way for me to time delay, so I've only just seen the highlights
package, but... ...wow.
I've been on a track with something like that little grip, but never in
my Formula F; never in any race car. I did a high performance driving
day a few years ago in my Miata when our track was wet and still covered
in the muck from all the winter rain, and the first session on track
felt a lot like that looked. And there was one racing school where we >actually got rain and hail mixed together, but it happened at the point >where the students were driving.
Bravo, Lance! Rain is a great leveller and makes the driver a much
bigger part of the equation, so it looks like someone should give him a >better car so we can see what he could really do in the dry.
Max Verstappen: it doesn't surprise me that he was near the top of the >timing charts. I just read that the team went with intermediates for Q3,
and I CANNOT believe it. Those were clearly conditions where maximizing >contact pressures were going to give the best grip. They actually left
in a radio communication at 50 seconds between Sainz and the McLaren pit >wall that "inter looks best", and I mumbled to myself at the time that
they were crazy. But despite a poor tire choice, Max is clearly one of
the very best drivers in the wet, and the very best in the wet have
almost always been among the very best overall. In Q2, he was nearly 2
full seconds faster than the next best
Which forces me to wonder why the driver who is supposed to be
(according to some here who've defended that position vociferously) "far >beyond everyone" didn't do better in conditions where the driver's
ability is emphasized.
On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 09:50:38 -0800, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-11-14 1:36 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!
With the time difference, and the way I get my local coverage, there was
no way for me to time delay, so I've only just seen the highlights
package, but... ...wow.
I've been on a track with something like that little grip, but never in
my Formula F; never in any race car. I did a high performance driving
day a few years ago in my Miata when our track was wet and still covered
in the muck from all the winter rain, and the first session on track
felt a lot like that looked. And there was one racing school where we
actually got rain and hail mixed together, but it happened at the point
where the students were driving.
Bravo, Lance! Rain is a great leveller and makes the driver a much
bigger part of the equation, so it looks like someone should give him a
better car so we can see what he could really do in the dry.
Max Verstappen: it doesn't surprise me that he was near the top of the
timing charts. I just read that the team went with intermediates for Q3,
and I CANNOT believe it. Those were clearly conditions where maximizing
contact pressures were going to give the best grip. They actually left
in a radio communication at 50 seconds between Sainz and the McLaren pit
wall that "inter looks best", and I mumbled to myself at the time that
they were crazy. But despite a poor tire choice, Max is clearly one of
the very best drivers in the wet, and the very best in the wet have
almost always been among the very best overall. In Q2, he was nearly 2
full seconds faster than the next best
Which forces me to wonder why the driver who is supposed to be
(according to some here who've defended that position vociferously) "far
beyond everyone" didn't do better in conditions where the driver's
ability is emphasized.
Sorry, I didn't quite catch that.
AnthonyL <nospam@please.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 09:50:38 -0800, Alan BakerLOL
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-11-14 1:36 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!
With the time difference, and the way I get my local coverage, there was >>> no way for me to time delay, so I've only just seen the highlights
package, but... ...wow.
I've been on a track with something like that little grip, but never in
my Formula F; never in any race car. I did a high performance driving
day a few years ago in my Miata when our track was wet and still covered >>> in the muck from all the winter rain, and the first session on track
felt a lot like that looked. And there was one racing school where we
actually got rain and hail mixed together, but it happened at the point
where the students were driving.
Bravo, Lance! Rain is a great leveller and makes the driver a much
bigger part of the equation, so it looks like someone should give him a
better car so we can see what he could really do in the dry.
Max Verstappen: it doesn't surprise me that he was near the top of the
timing charts. I just read that the team went with intermediates for Q3, >>> and I CANNOT believe it. Those were clearly conditions where maximizing
contact pressures were going to give the best grip. They actually left
in a radio communication at 50 seconds between Sainz and the McLaren pit >>> wall that "inter looks best", and I mumbled to myself at the time that
they were crazy. But despite a poor tire choice, Max is clearly one of
the very best drivers in the wet, and the very best in the wet have
almost always been among the very best overall. In Q2, he was nearly 2
full seconds faster than the next best
Which forces me to wonder why the driver who is supposed to be
(according to some here who've defended that position vociferously) "far >>> beyond everyone" didn't do better in conditions where the driver's
ability is emphasized.
Sorry, I didn't quite catch that.
On 16/11/2020 11:06 am, Sir Tim wrote:
AnthonyL <nospam@please.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 09:50:38 -0800, Alan BakerLOL
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-11-14 1:36 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!
With the time difference, and the way I get my local coverage, there was >>>> no way for me to time delay, so I've only just seen the highlights
package, but... ...wow.
I've been on a track with something like that little grip, but never in >>>> my Formula F; never in any race car. I did a high performance driving
day a few years ago in my Miata when our track was wet and still covered >>>> in the muck from all the winter rain, and the first session on track
felt a lot like that looked. And there was one racing school where we
actually got rain and hail mixed together, but it happened at the point >>>> where the students were driving.
Bravo, Lance! Rain is a great leveller and makes the driver a much
bigger part of the equation, so it looks like someone should give him a >>>> better car so we can see what he could really do in the dry.
Max Verstappen: it doesn't surprise me that he was near the top of the >>>> timing charts. I just read that the team went with intermediates for Q3, >>>> and I CANNOT believe it. Those were clearly conditions where maximizing >>>> contact pressures were going to give the best grip. They actually left >>>> in a radio communication at 50 seconds between Sainz and the McLaren pit >>>> wall that "inter looks best", and I mumbled to myself at the time that >>>> they were crazy. But despite a poor tire choice, Max is clearly one of >>>> the very best drivers in the wet, and the very best in the wet have
almost always been among the very best overall. In Q2, he was nearly 2 >>>> full seconds faster than the next best
Which forces me to wonder why the driver who is supposed to be
(according to some here who've defended that position vociferously) "far >>>> beyond everyone" didn't do better in conditions where the driver's
ability is emphasized.
Sorry, I didn't quite catch that.
And LOL even harder re the "Max is clearly one of the very best drivers
in the wet" bit.
Well actually he can be, but he can also be impetuous, impatient, intolerant, obnoxious, and a few other things that can combine to make
him somewhat less than the complete package on occasions. Presumably he
will grow out of it, but shows few signs so far.
Max on Sunday - complete and utter shambles. Nuff said.
geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
On 16/11/2020 11:06 am, Sir Tim wrote:IrCOm one of MaxrCOs biggest fans and IrCOm sure he will be WDC one day - he has
AnthonyL <nospam@please.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 09:50:38 -0800, Alan BakerLOL
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-11-14 1:36 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!
With the time difference, and the way I get my local coverage, there was >>>>> no way for me to time delay, so I've only just seen the highlights
package, but... ...wow.
I've been on a track with something like that little grip, but never in >>>>> my Formula F; never in any race car. I did a high performance driving >>>>> day a few years ago in my Miata when our track was wet and still covered >>>>> in the muck from all the winter rain, and the first session on track >>>>> felt a lot like that looked. And there was one racing school where we >>>>> actually got rain and hail mixed together, but it happened at the point >>>>> where the students were driving.
Bravo, Lance! Rain is a great leveller and makes the driver a much
bigger part of the equation, so it looks like someone should give him a >>>>> better car so we can see what he could really do in the dry.
Max Verstappen: it doesn't surprise me that he was near the top of the >>>>> timing charts. I just read that the team went with intermediates for Q3, >>>>> and I CANNOT believe it. Those were clearly conditions where maximizing >>>>> contact pressures were going to give the best grip. They actually left >>>>> in a radio communication at 50 seconds between Sainz and the McLaren pit >>>>> wall that "inter looks best", and I mumbled to myself at the time that >>>>> they were crazy. But despite a poor tire choice, Max is clearly one of >>>>> the very best drivers in the wet, and the very best in the wet have
almost always been among the very best overall. In Q2, he was nearly 2 >>>>> full seconds faster than the next best
Which forces me to wonder why the driver who is supposed to be
(according to some here who've defended that position vociferously) "far >>>>> beyond everyone" didn't do better in conditions where the driver's
ability is emphasized.
Sorry, I didn't quite catch that.
And LOL even harder re the "Max is clearly one of the very best drivers
in the wet" bit.
Well actually he can be, but he can also be impetuous, impatient,
intolerant, obnoxious, and a few other things that can combine to make
him somewhat less than the complete package on occasions. Presumably he
will grow out of it, but shows few signs so far.
natural speed and amazing car control. I thought he had really matured but todayrCOs performance shows that he has a way to go before he becomes a fully rounded driver with the sort of race intelligence that Hamilton has.
On 2020-11-14 1:36 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!
With the time difference, and the way I get my local coverage, there was
no way for me to time delay, so I've only just seen the highlights
package, but... ...wow.
I've been on a track with something like that little grip, but never in
my Formula F; never in any race car. I did a high performance driving
day a few years ago in my Miata when our track was wet and still covered
in the muck from all the winter rain, and the first session on track
felt a lot like that looked. And there was one racing school where we >actually got rain and hail mixed together, but it happened at the point >where the students were driving.
Bravo, Lance! Rain is a great leveller and makes the driver a much
bigger part of the equation, so it looks like someone should give him a >better car so we can see what he could really do in the dry.
Max Verstappen: it doesn't surprise me that he was near the top of the >timing charts. I just read that the team went with intermediates for Q3,
and I CANNOT believe it. Those were clearly conditions where maximizing >contact pressures were going to give the best grip. They actually left
in a radio communication at 50 seconds between Sainz and the McLaren pit >wall that "inter looks best", and I mumbled to myself at the time that
they were crazy. But despite a poor tire choice, Max is clearly one of
the very best drivers in the wet, and the very best in the wet have
almost always been among the very best overall. In Q2, he was nearly 2
full seconds faster than the next best
Which forces me to wonder why the driver who is supposed to be
(according to some here who've defended that position vociferously) "far >beyond everyone" didn't do better in conditions where the driver's
ability is emphasized.
:-)
On 16/11/2020 11:36 am, Sir Tim wrote:
geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
On 16/11/2020 11:06 am, Sir Tim wrote:IrCOm one of MaxrCOs biggest fans and IrCOm sure he will be WDC one day - he has
AnthonyL <nospam@please.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 09:50:38 -0800, Alan BakerLOL
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-11-14 1:36 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!
With the time difference, and the way I get my local coverage, there was >>>>>> no way for me to time delay, so I've only just seen the highlights >>>>>> package, but... ...wow.
I've been on a track with something like that little grip, but never in >>>>>> my Formula F; never in any race car. I did a high performance driving >>>>>> day a few years ago in my Miata when our track was wet and still covered >>>>>> in the muck from all the winter rain, and the first session on track >>>>>> felt a lot like that looked. And there was one racing school where we >>>>>> actually got rain and hail mixed together, but it happened at the point >>>>>> where the students were driving.
Bravo, Lance! Rain is a great leveller and makes the driver a much >>>>>> bigger part of the equation, so it looks like someone should give him a >>>>>> better car so we can see what he could really do in the dry.
Max Verstappen: it doesn't surprise me that he was near the top of the >>>>>> timing charts. I just read that the team went with intermediates for Q3, >>>>>> and I CANNOT believe it. Those were clearly conditions where maximizing >>>>>> contact pressures were going to give the best grip. They actually left >>>>>> in a radio communication at 50 seconds between Sainz and the McLaren pit >>>>>> wall that "inter looks best", and I mumbled to myself at the time that >>>>>> they were crazy. But despite a poor tire choice, Max is clearly one of >>>>>> the very best drivers in the wet, and the very best in the wet have >>>>>> almost always been among the very best overall. In Q2, he was nearly 2 >>>>>> full seconds faster than the next best
Which forces me to wonder why the driver who is supposed to be
(according to some here who've defended that position vociferously) "far >>>>>> beyond everyone" didn't do better in conditions where the driver's >>>>>> ability is emphasized.
Sorry, I didn't quite catch that.
And LOL even harder re the "Max is clearly one of the very best drivers
in the wet" bit.
Well actually he can be, but he can also be impetuous, impatient,
intolerant, obnoxious, and a few other things that can combine to make
him somewhat less than the complete package on occasions. Presumably he
will grow out of it, but shows few signs so far.
natural speed and amazing car control. I thought he had really matured but >> todayrCOs performance shows that he has a way to go before he becomes a fully
rounded driver with the sort of race intelligence that Hamilton has.
Which is why I left him out of my pool pick for a race on a
newly-surfaced track. I just didn't
know that rain was forecast when I entered or I'd have left Bottas out too.
~misfit~ <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:
On 16/11/2020 11:36 am, Sir Tim wrote:
geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
On 16/11/2020 11:06 am, Sir Tim wrote:IrCOm one of MaxrCOs biggest fans and IrCOm sure he will be WDC one day - he has
AnthonyL <nospam@please.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 09:50:38 -0800, Alan BakerLOL
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-11-14 1:36 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!
With the time difference, and the way I get my local coverage, there was
no way for me to time delay, so I've only just seen the highlights >>>>>>> package, but... ...wow.
I've been on a track with something like that little grip, but never in >>>>>>> my Formula F; never in any race car. I did a high performance driving >>>>>>> day a few years ago in my Miata when our track was wet and still covered
in the muck from all the winter rain, and the first session on track >>>>>>> felt a lot like that looked. And there was one racing school where we >>>>>>> actually got rain and hail mixed together, but it happened at the point >>>>>>> where the students were driving.
Bravo, Lance! Rain is a great leveller and makes the driver a much >>>>>>> bigger part of the equation, so it looks like someone should give him a >>>>>>> better car so we can see what he could really do in the dry.
Max Verstappen: it doesn't surprise me that he was near the top of the >>>>>>> timing charts. I just read that the team went with intermediates for Q3,
and I CANNOT believe it. Those were clearly conditions where maximizing >>>>>>> contact pressures were going to give the best grip. They actually left >>>>>>> in a radio communication at 50 seconds between Sainz and the McLaren pit
wall that "inter looks best", and I mumbled to myself at the time that >>>>>>> they were crazy. But despite a poor tire choice, Max is clearly one of >>>>>>> the very best drivers in the wet, and the very best in the wet have >>>>>>> almost always been among the very best overall. In Q2, he was nearly 2 >>>>>>> full seconds faster than the next best
Which forces me to wonder why the driver who is supposed to be
(according to some here who've defended that position vociferously) "far
beyond everyone" didn't do better in conditions where the driver's >>>>>>> ability is emphasized.
Sorry, I didn't quite catch that.
And LOL even harder re the "Max is clearly one of the very best drivers >>>> in the wet" bit.
Well actually he can be, but he can also be impetuous, impatient,
intolerant, obnoxious, and a few other things that can combine to make >>>> him somewhat less than the complete package on occasions. Presumably he >>>> will grow out of it, but shows few signs so far.
natural speed and amazing car control. I thought he had really matured but >>> todayrCOs performance shows that he has a way to go before he becomes a fully
rounded driver with the sort of race intelligence that Hamilton has.
Which is why I left him out of my pool pick for a race on a
newly-surfaced track. I just didn't
know that rain was forecast when I entered or I'd have left Bottas out too.
I would have expected Bottas to go well: I think he has rallying experience >and Finnish drivers tend to be good in slippery conditions. Seems I was >wrong.
~misfit~ <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:fully
rounded driver with the sort of race intelligence that Hamilton has.
Which is why I left him out of my pool pick for a race on a
newly-surfaced track. I just didn't
know that rain was forecast when I entered or I'd have left Bottas out too.
I would have expected Bottas to go well: I think he has rallying experience and Finnish drivers tend to be good in slippery conditions. Seems I was wrong.
On 16/11/2020 10:05 pm, Sir Tim wrote:Yep; I saw Toto pushing the "spin" button, and even though they claimed to be inter tyres, they really put Bottas on slicks with grooves painted into them.
~misfit~ <shaun.at...@gmail.com> wrote:fully
rounded driver with the sort of race intelligence that Hamilton has.
Which is why I left him out of my pool pick for a race on a
newly-surfaced track. I just didn't
know that rain was forecast when I entered or I'd have left Bottas out too.
I would have expected Bottas to go well: I think he has rallying experience
and Finnish drivers tend to be good in slippery conditions. Seems I was wrong.
No no no. It was the Team Orders to ensure HAM got the prize. They did over-do it a bit though ...
geoff
Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!
Did anyone else notice the flag over Seb Vettel was the Mexican flag ?
LOL.
I wonder if Checo got the German flag?
Hmmm, I wonder what Lewis got? The Confederate flag LOL.
Which is why I left him out of my pool pick for a race on a newly-surfaced track. I just didn't
know that rain was forecast when I entered or I'd have left Bottas out too.
Did anyone else notice the flag over Seb Vettel was the Mexican flag ?
LOL.
I wonder if Checo got the German flag?
Hmmm, I wonder what Lewis got? The Confederate flag LOL.
~misfit~ <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:
On 16/11/2020 11:36 am, Sir Tim wrote:
geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
On 16/11/2020 11:06 am, Sir Tim wrote:IrCOm one of MaxrCOs biggest fans and IrCOm sure he will be WDC one day - he has
AnthonyL <nospam@please.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 09:50:38 -0800, Alan BakerLOL
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-11-14 1:36 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!
With the time difference, and the way I get my local coverage, there was
no way for me to time delay, so I've only just seen the highlights >>>>>>> package, but... ...wow.
I've been on a track with something like that little grip, but never in >>>>>>> my Formula F; never in any race car. I did a high performance driving >>>>>>> day a few years ago in my Miata when our track was wet and still covered
in the muck from all the winter rain, and the first session on track >>>>>>> felt a lot like that looked. And there was one racing school where we >>>>>>> actually got rain and hail mixed together, but it happened at the point >>>>>>> where the students were driving.
Bravo, Lance! Rain is a great leveller and makes the driver a much >>>>>>> bigger part of the equation, so it looks like someone should give him a >>>>>>> better car so we can see what he could really do in the dry.
Max Verstappen: it doesn't surprise me that he was near the top of the >>>>>>> timing charts. I just read that the team went with intermediates for Q3,
and I CANNOT believe it. Those were clearly conditions where maximizing >>>>>>> contact pressures were going to give the best grip. They actually left >>>>>>> in a radio communication at 50 seconds between Sainz and the McLaren pit
wall that "inter looks best", and I mumbled to myself at the time that >>>>>>> they were crazy. But despite a poor tire choice, Max is clearly one of >>>>>>> the very best drivers in the wet, and the very best in the wet have >>>>>>> almost always been among the very best overall. In Q2, he was nearly 2 >>>>>>> full seconds faster than the next best
Which forces me to wonder why the driver who is supposed to be
(according to some here who've defended that position vociferously) "far
beyond everyone" didn't do better in conditions where the driver's >>>>>>> ability is emphasized.
Sorry, I didn't quite catch that.
And LOL even harder re the "Max is clearly one of the very best drivers >>>> in the wet" bit.
Well actually he can be, but he can also be impetuous, impatient,
intolerant, obnoxious, and a few other things that can combine to make >>>> him somewhat less than the complete package on occasions. Presumably he >>>> will grow out of it, but shows few signs so far.
natural speed and amazing car control. I thought he had really matured but >>> todayrCOs performance shows that he has a way to go before he becomes a fully
rounded driver with the sort of race intelligence that Hamilton has.
Which is why I left him out of my pool pick for a race on a
newly-surfaced track. I just didn't
know that rain was forecast when I entered or I'd have left Bottas out too.
I would have expected Bottas to go well: I think he has rallying experience and Finnish drivers tend to be good in slippery conditions. Seems I was wrong.
On 14/11/2020 09:36, Sir Tim wrote:
Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!
One major factor yesterday was the track temp. At the start it was
14 and rose to 17 by the end of the race.
The recent Nurburgring GP had a range of 15-19, but no one used Inters/Extremes there.
No GPs in 2018 or 2019 had temps that low - the only seasons I have
access to temp data. Actually Wikipedia has both air & track temps
since ~2012, only a single number though, not a range.
Wikipedia has a page of F1 records that claims the coldest GP was
in 1978, at Montreal, where the air temp was 5.
Apparently at the 'ring in 2009 the air temp was 10.
I doubt that many (any) of the coldest races by air temp included the use of wet weather tyres.
Added to the lack of temp in the tyres yesterday, we also had a
track which was as smooth as an ice rink, with a coating of
water.
Ted Kravitz discussed the track surface on Saturday evening.
<https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/12132520/turkish-gp-qualifying-wrap>
(are they suggesting that I move?).
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