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    From Brian Lawrence@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Dec 2 10:52:01 2020
    replacing Hamilton.

    Jack Aitken replaces Russell at Williams.


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  • From build@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Dec 2 03:15:43 2020
    On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 9:52:06 PM UTC+11, Brian Lawrence wrote:
    replacing Hamilton.

    Jack Aitken replaces Russell at Williams.


    <https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/153890/russell-joins-mercedes-for-sakhir-gp>

    Fist pump for George. This kid is good, i hope he has a smooth weekend.
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  • From Darryl Johnson@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Dec 2 10:36:38 2020
    On 2020-12-02 5:52 AM, Brian Lawrence wrote:
    replacing Hamilton.

    Jack Aitken replaces Russell at Williams.


    <https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/153890/russell-joins-mercedes-for-sakhir-gp>


    I am looking forward to see what George Russell can do in the
    Mercedes. My enthusiasm is, of course, tempered by the knowledge that
    he will be driving a car that is new to him in every aspect: controls
    and handling characteristics.

    So I don't have much hope that he will win the race.

    But, whatever happens this weekend, I am happy that Mercedes has given
    him the opportunity.
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  • From XYXPDQ@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Dec 2 07:51:26 2020
    Has F1 run this weekends track configuration (ie: new car and functionally a new track)?
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  • From Sir Tim@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Dec 2 15:56:37 2020
    Brian Lawrence <Brian_W_Lawrence@msn.com> wrote:
    replacing Hamilton.

    Jack Aitken replaces Russell at Williams.


    <https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/153890/russell-joins-mercedes-for-sakhir-gp>


    This is great news for George and for F1 fans, I really hope he does well.
    Of course it has come at an ideal moment with Mercedes having already tied
    up the WCC and he should be a better driver when he returns to Williams.

    --
    Sir Tim
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  • From Matt Larkin@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Dec 2 08:14:21 2020
    On Wednesday, 2 December 2020 at 15:56:39 UTC, Sir Tim wrote:
    Brian Lawrence <Brian_W_...@msn.com> wrote:
    replacing Hamilton.

    Jack Aitken replaces Russell at Williams.


    <https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/153890/russell-joins-mercedes-for-sakhir-gp>

    This is great news for George and for F1 fans, I really hope he does well. Of course it has come at an ideal moment with Mercedes having already tied up the WCC and he should be a better driver when he returns to Williams.

    --
    Sir Tim

    If Russell wins, and Bottas has an uneventful race, I would imagine we'll never hear the end of it in terms of Hamilton being knocked from his pedestal!

    Best realistic result is ahead of Albon, behind Bottas and Max (potentially), if
    he does that it would be an exceptional result. And if he proves that a talented
    youngster can't just get in the Merc and win straight off the bat, that would be
    no bad thing for the debate about the car.
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  • From a425couple@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Dec 2 08:20:52 2020
    On 12/2/2020 7:51 AM, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Has F1 run this weekends track configuration (ie: new car and functionally a new track)?

    No, they have not run it before.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Sakhir_Grand_Prix
    "This is the first Formula One race on this track configuration.
    "This race will use the 'Outer Circuit' layout, the first
    Formula One race to be held on this layout. At 3.543 km (2.202 mi)
    it is shorter than the 5.412 km (3.363 mi) 'Grand Prix' layout,
    which was used for the Bahrain Grand Prix the week prior.[4]
    The race is due to be contested over 87 laps to exceed the 305 km
    (190 mi) race distance mandated by the regulations.[1][5]
    Lap times are expected to be under one minute. The only World
    Championship Grand Prix weekend where sub-one minute lap times have
    been achieved is the 1974 French Grand Prix at Dijon-Prenois."
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  • From Brian Lawrence@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Dec 2 16:50:41 2020
    On 02/12/2020 15:51, XYXPDQ wrote:

    Has F1 run this weekends track configuration (ie: new car and functionally a new track)?

    No, but it's not a big change in layout. From the track used last
    weekend turns 1-4 are retained with a different middle section that
    joins turn 4 to turn 9 on last w/e's layout.

    The 'new' section has 4 turns all of which might be taken flat out. That section is just over half the length of the pit straight.

    Sakhir GP track:


    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahrain_International_Circuit#/media/File:Bahrain_International_Circuit--Outer_Circuit.svg>

    Bahrain GP track:


    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahrain_International_Circuit#/media/File:Bahrain_International_Circuit--Grand_Prix_Layout.svg>

    The 2010 GP used the Endurance Circuit layout:


    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahrain_International_Circuit#/media/File:Bahrain_International_Circuit--Endurance_Circuit.svg>
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  • From Mark Jackson@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Dec 2 12:05:32 2020
    On 12/2/2020 11:50 AM, Brian Lawrence wrote:
    On 02/12/2020 15:51, XYXPDQ wrote:

    Has F1 run this weekends track configuration (ie: new car and
    functionally a new track)?

    No, but it's not a big change in layout. From the track used last
    weekend turns 1-4 are retained with a different middle section that
    joins turn 4 to turn 9 on last w/e's layout.

    Surely this configuration calls for quite a different drag/downforce setup?


    The 'new' section has 4 turns all of which might be taken flat out.

    That seems unlikely for turns 7 and 8.

    --
    Mark Jackson - http://www.alumni.caltech.edu/~mjackson
    Perhaps flamenco guitar is ethically innocent
    of any tendency to induce decay. - John Holbo
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  • From Brian Lawrence@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Dec 2 17:05:58 2020
    On 02/12/2020 10:52, Brian Lawrence wrote:

    replacing Hamilton.

    Jack Aitken replaces Russell at Williams.

    Aitken will be the first F1 driver with Korean heritage, his Korean name
    seems to be Han Se-yong (according to Wikipedia).

    I notice he has a brother named Max, anyone else know that name - Max
    Aitken, that is. Sir Tim?
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  • From Sir Tim@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Dec 2 21:38:25 2020
    Brian Lawrence <Brian_W_Lawrence@msn.com> wrote:
    On 02/12/2020 10:52, Brian Lawrence wrote:

    replacing Hamilton.

    Jack Aitken replaces Russell at Williams.

    Aitken will be the first F1 driver with Korean heritage, his Korean name seems to be Han Se-yong (according to Wikipedia).

    I notice he has a brother named Max, anyone else know that name - Max Aitken, that is. Sir Tim?

    Yes indeed, a name borne by two famous men. The first became Lord
    Beaverbrook, a press baron loved by many, loathed by as many more. He owned
    the Daily Express when it had the largest circulation in the world, was a friend of Churchill and Minister of Aircraft Production in the early part
    of WW2.
    His son, also Max Aitken, was an outstanding wartime fighter pilot who
    later became an MP and chairman of Beaverbrook Newspapers.


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    Sir Tim
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  • From D Munz@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Dec 3 05:55:45 2020
    On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 9:36:38 AM UTC-6, Darryl Johnson wrote:
    On 2020-12-02 5:52 AM, Brian Lawrence wrote:
    replacing Hamilton.

    Jack Aitken replaces Russell at Williams.


    <https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/153890/russell-joins-mercedes-for-sakhir-gp>

    I am looking forward to see what George Russell can do in the
    Mercedes. My enthusiasm is, of course, tempered by the knowledge that
    he will be driving a car that is new to him in every aspect: controls
    and handling characteristics.

    So I don't have much hope that he will win the race.

    But, whatever happens this weekend, I am happy that Mercedes has given
    him the opportunity.

    I wonder if they can lock out the DAS. I could see that causing a bit of a problem...

    "Shit, I pulled the steering wheel off...help... Oh, the DAS, never mind."

    FWIW
    DLM
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  • From Matt Larkin@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Dec 3 07:37:54 2020
    On Thursday, 3 December 2020 at 13:55:47 UTC, D Munz wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 9:36:38 AM UTC-6, Darryl Johnson wrote:
    On 2020-12-02 5:52 AM, Brian Lawrence wrote:
    replacing Hamilton.

    Jack Aitken replaces Russell at Williams.


    <https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/153890/russell-joins-mercedes-for-sakhir-gp>

    I am looking forward to see what George Russell can do in the
    Mercedes. My enthusiasm is, of course, tempered by the knowledge that
    he will be driving a car that is new to him in every aspect: controls
    and handling characteristics.

    So I don't have much hope that he will win the race.

    But, whatever happens this weekend, I am happy that Mercedes has given
    him the opportunity.
    I wonder if they can lock out the DAS. I could see that causing a bit of a problem...

    "Shit, I pulled the steering wheel off...help... Oh, the DAS, never mind."

    FWIW
    DLM
    Are they using the DAS in race config? Maybe it's because I've watched live races in German (which I don't speak!) but I've not noticed the DAS in use on race day. If that's the case, simple enough to lock it out surely?
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  • From build@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Dec 4 06:37:23 2020
    On Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 3:14:23 AM UTC+11, wrote:
    On Wednesday, 2 December 2020 at 15:56:39 UTC, Sir Tim wrote:
    Brian Lawrence <> wrote:
    replacing Hamilton.

    Jack Aitken replaces Russell at Williams.


    <https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/153890/russell-joins-mercedes-for-sakhir-gp>

    This is great news for George and for F1 fans, I really hope he does well. Of course it has come at an ideal moment with Mercedes having already tied up the WCC and he should be a better driver when he returns to Williams.

    --
    Sir Tim
    If Russell wins, and Bottas has an uneventful race, I would imagine we'll never
    hear the end of it in terms of Hamilton being knocked from his pedestal!

    Best realistic result is ahead of Albon, behind Bottas and Max (potentially), if
    he does that it would be an exceptional result. And if he proves that a talented
    youngster can't just get in the Merc and win straight off the bat, that would be
    no bad thing for the debate about the car.

    I reckon George is a candidate for Champion eventually but stepping up to the Merc will be a big step so I'm not expecting too much from him other than a solid weekend. And the team won't expect more either, fans on the other hand ...
    Drivers don't/shouldn't get caught up in expectations. I'd expect he will take it step by step and try to keep a lid on it even if he's last or first at any stage of the weekend.
    There is plenty of time after the race to get swept up in success or crushed by failure.

    build
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  • From build@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Dec 4 07:21:27 2020
    On Friday, December 4, 2020 at 12:55:47 AM UTC+11, D Munz wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 9:36:38 AM UTC-6, Darryl Johnson wrote:
    On 2020-12-02 5:52 AM, Brian Lawrence wrote:
    replacing Hamilton.

    Jack Aitken replaces Russell at Williams.


    <https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/153890/russell-joins-mercedes-for-sakhir-gp>

    I am looking forward to see what George Russell can do in the
    Mercedes. My enthusiasm is, of course, tempered by the knowledge that
    he will be driving a car that is new to him in every aspect: controls
    and handling characteristics.

    So I don't have much hope that he will win the race.

    But, whatever happens this weekend, I am happy that Mercedes has given
    him the opportunity.
    I wonder if they can lock out the DAS. I could see that causing a bit of a problem...

    "Shit, I pulled the steering wheel off...help... Oh, the DAS, never mind."

    FWIW
    DLM

    In FP1 I noticed on the onboard camera that George was using DAS.

    build
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  • From build@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Dec 4 07:55:23 2020
    On Saturday, December 5, 2020 at 2:21:29 AM UTC+11, build wrote:
    On Friday, December 4, 2020 at 12:55:47 AM UTC+11, D Munz wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 9:36:38 AM UTC-6, Darryl Johnson wrote:
    On 2020-12-02 5:52 AM, Brian Lawrence wrote:
    replacing Hamilton.

    Jack Aitken replaces Russell at Williams.


    <https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/153890/russell-joins-mercedes-for-sakhir-gp>

    I am looking forward to see what George Russell can do in the
    Mercedes. My enthusiasm is, of course, tempered by the knowledge that
    he will be driving a car that is new to him in every aspect: controls and handling characteristics.

    So I don't have much hope that he will win the race.

    But, whatever happens this weekend, I am happy that Mercedes has given him the opportunity.
    I wonder if they can lock out the DAS. I could see that causing a bit of a problem...

    "Shit, I pulled the steering wheel off...help... Oh, the DAS, never mind."

    FWIW
    DLM
    In FP1 I noticed on the onboard camera that George was using DAS.

    build

    If anyone is interested it looked like they'll need two laps to bring the tyres up to temp in Qually.
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  • From build@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Dec 4 08:23:20 2020
    On Saturday, December 5, 2020 at 2:55:25 AM UTC+11, build wrote:
    On Saturday, December 5, 2020 at 2:21:29 AM UTC+11, build wrote:
    On Friday, December 4, 2020 at 12:55:47 AM UTC+11, D Munz wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 9:36:38 AM UTC-6, Darryl Johnson wrote:
    On 2020-12-02 5:52 AM, Brian Lawrence wrote:
    replacing Hamilton.

    Jack Aitken replaces Russell at Williams.


    <https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/153890/russell-joins-mercedes-for-sakhir-gp>

    I am looking forward to see what George Russell can do in the Mercedes. My enthusiasm is, of course, tempered by the knowledge that he will be driving a car that is new to him in every aspect: controls and handling characteristics.

    So I don't have much hope that he will win the race.

    But, whatever happens this weekend, I am happy that Mercedes has given him the opportunity.
    I wonder if they can lock out the DAS. I could see that causing a bit of a problem...

    "Shit, I pulled the steering wheel off...help... Oh, the DAS, never mind."

    FWIW
    DLM
    In FP1 I noticed on the onboard camera that George was using DAS.

    build
    If anyone is interested it looked like they'll need two laps to bring the tyres up to temp in Qually.

    F2 Qually was a mess with the traffic because of the short track, another thing to watch in Q1.
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