So we're only on lap 10 of the race (just the third? lap after they
went green again), and Russell has already pulled out a 2 second lead
on Bottas.
Does anyone here suddenly understand what a huge advantage clear air
is...
...or are you now willing to call Russell the GOAT based on how much
faster than Bottas he appears to be?
:-)
Captain Obvious wrote:
So we're only on lap 10 of the race (just the third? lap after they
went green again), and Russell has already pulled out a 2 second lead
on Bottas.
Does anyone here suddenly understand what a huge advantage clear air
is...
...or are you now willing to call Russell the GOAT based on how much
faster than Bottas he appears to be?
:-)
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Alan Baker wrote:
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On 2020-12-06 11:59 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:
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Of course he is.
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On 2020-12-06 11:59 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:
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See above.
So we're only on lap 10 of the race (just the third? lap after they went green again), and Russell has already pulled out a 2 second lead on Bottas.
Does anyone here suddenly understand what a huge advantage clear air is...
...or are you now willing to call Russell the GOAT based on how much
faster than Bottas he appears to be?
:-)
On 2020-12-06 10:07 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Captain Obvious wrote:
So we're only on lap 10 of the race (just the third? lap after they
went green again), and Russell has already pulled out a 2 second lead
on Bottas.
Does anyone here suddenly understand what a huge advantage clear air
is...
...or are you now willing to call Russell the GOAT based on how much
faster than Bottas he appears to be?
:-)
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Weird how you claim I'm in your "bin"...
...but you still find a way to reply.
But I guess we'll never read you claim that Hamilton's ability to pull
out a gap like Russell did at the beginning of this race "proves" is
magic powers.
On 7/12/2020 6:27 am, Alan Baker wrote:
So we're only on lap 10 of the race (just the third? lap after they
went green again), and Russell has already pulled out a 2 second lead
on Bottas.
Does anyone here suddenly understand what a huge advantage clear air
is...
...or are you now willing to call Russell the GOAT based on how much
faster than Bottas he appears to be?
:-)
Couldn't resist that little swipe at HAM (yes it was, and entirely predictable) could you ?
On 7/12/2020 8:31 am, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-12-06 10:07 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Captain Obvious wrote:
So we're only on lap 10 of the race (just the third? lap after they
went green again), and Russell has already pulled out a 2 second lead
on Bottas.
Does anyone here suddenly understand what a huge advantage clear air
is...
...or are you now willing to call Russell the GOAT based on how much
faster than Bottas he appears to be?
:-)
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Weird how you claim I'm in your "bin"...
...but you still find a way to reply.
But I guess we'll never read you claim that Hamilton's ability to pull
out a gap like Russell did at the beginning of this race "proves" is
magic powers.
Oh you are so consumed by it you just can't restrain yourself can you.
GOAT dickhead you must be.
Alan Baker wrote:
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Captain Obvious wrote:
So we're only on lap 10 of the race (just the third? lap after they
went green again), and Russell has already pulled out a 2 second lead
on Bottas.
Does anyone here suddenly understand what a huge advantage clear air
is...
...or are you now willing to call Russell the GOAT based on how much
faster than Bottas he appears to be?
:-)
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On 7/12/2020 7:07 am, Bigbird wrote:
Captain Obvious wrote:
So we're only on lap 10 of the race (just the third? lap after they
went green again), and Russell has already pulled out a 2 second lead
on Bottas.
Does anyone here suddenly understand what a huge advantage clear air
is...
...or are you now willing to call Russell the GOAT based on how much
faster than Bottas he appears to be?
:-)
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He can't and it's not an act.
it must be tiring.
On 7/12/2020 7:07 am, Bigbird wrote:
Captain Obvious wrote:
So we're only on lap 10 of the race (just the third? lap after they
went green again), and Russell has already pulled out a 2 second lead
on Bottas.
Does anyone here suddenly understand what a huge advantage clear air
is...
...or are you now willing to call Russell the GOAT based on how much
faster than Bottas he appears to be?
:-)
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Wow! It seems Mr. Hobby racer generally dislikes every driver who is
better than he is. That's millions of people to dislike, it must be tiring.
On 2020-12-06 2:30 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 7/12/2020 8:31 am, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-12-06 10:07 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Captain Obvious wrote:
So we're only on lap 10 of the race (just the third? lap
after they went green again), and Russell has already pulled
out a 2 second lead on Bottas.
Does anyone here suddenly understand what a huge advantage
clear air is...
...or are you now willing to call Russell the GOAT based on
how much faster than Bottas he appears to be?
:-)
-a --
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Enjoy!
Weird how you claim I'm in your "bin"...
...but you still find a way to reply.
But I guess we'll never read you claim that Hamilton's ability to
pull out a gap like Russell did at the beginning of this race
"proves" is magic powers.
Oh you are so consumed by it you just can't restrain yourself can
you. GOAT dickhead you must be.
I'm just amused that Bigbird can't tell it straight.
Two minutes after that post, he posted one that claimed I was in his
"bin".
So we're only on lap 10 of the race (just the third? lap after they went >green again), and Russell has already pulled out a 2 second lead on Bottas.
Does anyone here suddenly understand what a huge advantage clear air is...
...or are you now willing to call Russell the GOAT based on how much
faster than Bottas he appears to be?
:-)
Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-12-06 2:30 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 7/12/2020 8:31 am, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-12-06 10:07 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Captain Obvious wrote:
So we're only on lap 10 of the race (just the third? lap
after they went green again), and Russell has already pulled
out a 2 second lead on Bottas.
Does anyone here suddenly understand what a huge advantage
clear air is...
...or are you now willing to call Russell the GOAT based on
how much faster than Bottas he appears to be?
:-)
-a --
Bozo bin
Texasgate
Enjoy!
Weird how you claim I'm in your "bin"...
...but you still find a way to reply.
But I guess we'll never read you claim that Hamilton's ability to
pull out a gap like Russell did at the beginning of this race
"proves" is magic powers.
Oh you are so consumed by it you just can't restrain yourself can
you. GOAT dickhead you must be.
I'm just amused that Bigbird can't tell it straight.
Two minutes after that post, he posted one that claimed I was in his
"bin".
What you mean Alan is that you are too fucking dense to work it out
for yourself.
It's a sig. I manually updated a it several times when I realised you
had served your term including in this thread where you make your
really stupid claim.
I can see why you want to deflect from your other nonsense but lying
isn't going to help.
You proved your not ready to behave like an adult so I see no point in postponing your return to obscurity.
On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 09:27:25 -0800, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
So we're only on lap 10 of the race (just the third? lap after they went
green again), and Russell has already pulled out a 2 second lead on Bottas. >>
Does anyone here suddenly understand what a huge advantage clear air is... >>
...or are you now willing to call Russell the GOAT based on how much
faster than Bottas he appears to be?
:-)
That clear air that Bottas didn't have at the start?
On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 09:27:25 -0800, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
So we're only on lap 10 of the race (just the third? lap after they went
green again), and Russell has already pulled out a 2 second lead on Bottas. >>
Does anyone here suddenly understand what a huge advantage clear air is... >>
...or are you now willing to call Russell the GOAT based on how much
faster than Bottas he appears to be?
:-)
That clear air that Bottas didn't have at the start?
On 7/12/2020 9:32 pm, Martin Harran wrote:
On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 09:27:25 -0800, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
So we're only on lap 10 of the race (just the third? lap after they went >>> green again), and Russell has already pulled out a 2 second lead on Bottas. >>>
Does anyone here suddenly understand what a huge advantage clear air is... >>>
...or are you now willing to call Russell the GOAT based on how much
faster than Bottas he appears to be?
:-)
That clear air that Bottas didn't have at the start?
The same clear air that Russell didn't have at the end - but he still managed to pass more cars
than Bottas has all season*.
[*] Maybe a slight exaggeration but Bottas never seems to be able to cut through the field like
Hamilton or Russell does in the Merc.
So we're only on lap 10 of the race (just the third? lap after they went green again), and Russell has already pulled out a 2 second lead on Bottas.
Does anyone here suddenly understand what a huge advantage clear air is...
...or are you now willing to call Russell the GOAT based on how much
faster than Bottas he appears to be?
:-)
Alan Baker <notony...@no.no.no.no> wrote:For me the best thing about Russell's performance was that he was
So we're only on lap 10 of the race (just the third? lap after they went green again), and Russell has already pulled out a 2 second lead on Bottas.
Does anyone here suddenly understand what a huge advantage clear air is...
...or are you now willing to call Russell the GOAT based on how much faster than Bottas he appears to be?
:-)Who has *ever* been described as GOAT after a single fantastic
performance?
All you can say is that on that one day, Russell did a fantastic job.
Let's also recognise that he also pulled off plenty of passing in
non-clear air. Admittedly, in a fine car.
Nonetheless, he still did a great job in an unfamiliar car, and I think
the bigger story is how Bottas failed to take the opportunity to prove
his own case for his seat.
If this is such a spectacular car, unless you view Bottas as *useless*,
you can only tip your hat at Russell's performance.
Bottas had a tank-slapper and anyone here who claims they know why isfooling themselves. But for that, he could well have led.
Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
So we're only on lap 10 of the race (just the third? lap after they went
green again), and Russell has already pulled out a 2 second lead on Bottas. >>
Does anyone here suddenly understand what a huge advantage clear air is... >>
...or are you now willing to call Russell the GOAT based on how much
faster than Bottas he appears to be?
:-)
Who has *ever* been described as GOAT after a single fantastic
performance?
All you can say is that on that one day, Russell did a fantastic job.
Let's also recognise that he also pulled off plenty of passing in
non-clear air. Admittedly, in a fine car.
Nonetheless, he still did a great job in an unfamiliar car, and I think
the bigger story is how Bottas failed to take the opportunity to prove
his own case for his seat.
If this is such a spectacular car, unless you view Bottas as *useless*,
you can only tip your hat at Russell's performance.
On 7/12/2020 9:32 pm, Martin Harran wrote:
On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 09:27:25 -0800, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
So we're only on lap 10 of the race (just the third? lap after they went >>> green again), and Russell has already pulled out a 2 second lead on
Bottas.
Does anyone here suddenly understand what a huge advantage clear air
is...
...or are you now willing to call Russell the GOAT based on how much
faster than Bottas he appears to be?
:-)
That clear air that Bottas didn't have at the start?
The same clear air that Russell didn't have at the end - but he still managed to pass more cars than Bottas has all season*.
[*] Maybe a slight exaggeration but Bottas never seems to be able to cut through the field like Hamilton or Russell does in the Merc.
On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 22:11:55 +1300, ~misfit~
<shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:
On 7/12/2020 9:32 pm, Martin Harran wrote:
On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 09:27:25 -0800, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
So we're only on lap 10 of the race (just the third? lap after they went >>>> green again), and Russell has already pulled out a 2 second lead on Bottas.
Does anyone here suddenly understand what a huge advantage clear air is... >>>>
...or are you now willing to call Russell the GOAT based on how much
faster than Bottas he appears to be?
:-)
That clear air that Bottas didn't have at the start?
The same clear air that Russell didn't have at the end - but he still managed to pass more cars
than Bottas has all season*.
[*] Maybe a slight exaggeration but Bottas never seems to be able to cut through the field like
Hamilton or Russell does in the Merc.
Baker attacked me for claiming that Hamilton is far ahead of Bottas as
a driver.
Russell gets his first drive in a car which is actually
setup too small for him and has to wear shoes a size smaller than he
normally wears, yet he drives Bottas into the ground. Oops, I forgot
... Bottas beat Russell by all of 0.0267 in quali so the difference
between them is really only marginal ;)
Bottas had a tank-slapper and anyone here who claims they know whyfooling themselves. But for that, he could well have led.
is
He had a tank slapper because he panicked and booted it too hard to
try and stay ahead of the pack, which he just managed by slowing them
up.
That was a truly, truly awful weekend for Bottas and he admitted
that it didn't look good for him. Fine he got pole, but he was an
edgy shambles on Friday. P3 was OK for VB but GR admitted that he
overdrove P3 and said he had to have a quiet lie down and take deep
breaths and decided to let the car come to him in Q. VB should have
been right on GR's tail after the start and trying to hound him into
a mistake, just like LH hounds VB. Instead he just wilted. Then
later on worn hard tyres that were still fresher than the other
single stoppers, he should have been on their tails. So much for all
the "To whom it may concern"s. I wouldn't be surprised if he decides
to retire after next weekend. He must know that he cannot expend
this energy for another year to try and defeat LH when GR in a
totally strange car gives him a hard time. The car is undoubtedly
good, but this race was down to the quality of the driver and VB is
not just up there. He does reasonably well and ensures the
constructors points are good.
On 2020-12-07 7:29 a.m., Mark wrote:
Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
So we're only on lap 10 of the race (just the third? lap after they went >>> green again), and Russell has already pulled out a 2 second lead on Bottas. >>>
Does anyone here suddenly understand what a huge advantage clear air is... >>>
...or are you now willing to call Russell the GOAT based on how much
faster than Bottas he appears to be?
:-)
Who has *ever* been described as GOAT after a single fantastic
performance?
Way to completely miss the point!
All you can say is that on that one day, Russell did a fantastic job.
Let's also recognise that he also pulled off plenty of passing in
non-clear air. Admittedly, in a fine car.
Against much slower cars.
--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32Nonetheless, he still did a great job in an unfamiliar car, and I think
the bigger story is how Bottas failed to take the opportunity to prove
his own case for his seat.
If this is such a spectacular car, unless you view Bottas as *useless*,
you can only tip your hat at Russell's performance.
I do tip my hat to it. He drove very, very well.
Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-12-07 7:29 a.m., Mark wrote:
Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
So we're only on lap 10 of the race (just the third? lap after they went >>>> green again), and Russell has already pulled out a 2 second lead on Bottas.
Does anyone here suddenly understand what a huge advantage clear air is... >>>>
...or are you now willing to call Russell the GOAT based on how much
faster than Bottas he appears to be?
:-)
Who has *ever* been described as GOAT after a single fantastic
performance?
Way to completely miss the point!
Not at all. He's had a single weekend in the same car against Bottas,
and you posed *that* question. How is my response missing the point?
All you can say is that on that one day, Russell did a fantastic job.
Let's also recognise that he also pulled off plenty of passing in
non-clear air. Admittedly, in a fine car.
Against much slower cars.
He's in an ill-fitting seat with ill-fitting shoes and a car he barely
knows. But it's all about the car.
Bottas has shown repeatedly over the season that the Mercedes performs
badly in dirty air. Hamilton has had problems when he's slipped back
too.
I don't think it's fair to simply dismiss everything this weekend as
being all about the car.
--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32Nonetheless, he still did a great job in an unfamiliar car, and I think
the bigger story is how Bottas failed to take the opportunity to prove
his own case for his seat.
If this is such a spectacular car, unless you view Bottas as *useless*,
you can only tip your hat at Russell's performance.
I do tip my hat to it. He drove very, very well.
On 2020-12-07 9:25 a.m., Mark wrote:
Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-12-07 7:29 a.m., Mark wrote:
Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
So we're only on lap 10 of the race (just the third? lap after they went >>>>> green again), and Russell has already pulled out a 2 second lead on Bottas.
Does anyone here suddenly understand what a huge advantage clear air is...
...or are you now willing to call Russell the GOAT based on how much >>>>> faster than Bottas he appears to be?
:-)
Who has *ever* been described as GOAT after a single fantastic
performance?
Way to completely miss the point!
Not at all. He's had a single weekend in the same car against Bottas,
and you posed *that* question. How is my response missing the point?
Are you familiar with what a ":-)" might indicate?
All you can say is that on that one day, Russell did a fantastic job.
Let's also recognise that he also pulled off plenty of passing in
non-clear air. Admittedly, in a fine car.
Against much slower cars.
He's in an ill-fitting seat with ill-fitting shoes and a car he barely
knows. But it's all about the car.
"Ill-fitting seat"? Cite, please.
"Ill-fitting shoes"? You mean spend a short time not standing but
reclining (literally with your feet up)? Tell you what, you buy them,
and I'll race next year in shoes one size too small and it won't affect
me in the least.
He passed two Alfa-Romeos, Vettel, Gasly and Norris.
The fastest lap by any of the cars he passed was Giovinazzi; nearly 1.5 seconds slower than Russell's fastest.
Bottas has shown repeatedly over the season that the Mercedes performs
badly in dirty air. Hamilton has had problems when he's slipped back
too.
Not with cars that much slower, he hasn't. Although I do agree that the Mercedes definitely has more trouble in dirty air.
I don't think it's fair to simply dismiss everything this weekend as
being all about the car.
I'm not dismissing everything. I was pointing out that what everyone
points to as "proof" of Hamilton's brilliance is just what happens when
a Mercedes trails a Mercedes; something you've just openly agreed with.
Nonetheless, he still did a great job in an unfamiliar car, and I think >>>> the bigger story is how Bottas failed to take the opportunity to prove >>>> his own case for his seat.
If this is such a spectacular car, unless you view Bottas as *useless*, >>>> you can only tip your hat at Russell's performance.
I do tip my hat to it. He drove very, very well.
Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-12-07 9:25 a.m., Mark wrote:
Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-12-07 7:29 a.m., Mark wrote:
Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
So we're only on lap 10 of the race (just the third? lap after they went >>>>>> green again), and Russell has already pulled out a 2 second lead on Bottas.
Does anyone here suddenly understand what a huge advantage clear air is...
...or are you now willing to call Russell the GOAT based on how much >>>>>> faster than Bottas he appears to be?
:-)
Who has *ever* been described as GOAT after a single fantastic
performance?
Way to completely miss the point!
Not at all. He's had a single weekend in the same car against Bottas,
and you posed *that* question. How is my response missing the point?
Are you familiar with what a ":-)" might indicate?
The problem is, it *might* indicate multiple things. The best thing is
to use *language*. ;-)
(Yes, the smiley is deliberate)
All you can say is that on that one day, Russell did a fantastic job. >>>>> Let's also recognise that he also pulled off plenty of passing in
non-clear air. Admittedly, in a fine car.
Against much slower cars.
He's in an ill-fitting seat with ill-fitting shoes and a car he barely
knows. But it's all about the car.
"Ill-fitting seat"? Cite, please.
"Ill-fitting shoes"? You mean spend a short time not standing but
reclining (literally with your feet up)? Tell you what, you buy them,
and I'll race next year in shoes one size too small and it won't affect
me in the least.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/russell-wearing-small-race-boots-to-fit-into-mercedes-f1-car/4920500/
Amongst other reports. There was a comment made during the weekend that
he barely fit the cockpit.
On the shoes, one report suggested he was using shoes two sizes too small...but I think that's confusion over the fact that he has feet two
sizes bigger than Hamilton (11 as opposed to 9). He used size 10 at the weekend.
He passed two Alfa-Romeos, Vettel, Gasly and Norris.
The fastest lap by any of the cars he passed was Giovinazzi; nearly 1.5
seconds slower than Russell's fastest.
Bottas has shown repeatedly over the season that the Mercedes performs
badly in dirty air. Hamilton has had problems when he's slipped back
too.
Not with cars that much slower, he hasn't. Although I do agree that the
Mercedes definitely has more trouble in dirty air.
Thank you.
I don't think it's fair to simply dismiss everything this weekend as
being all about the car.
I'm not dismissing everything. I was pointing out that what everyone
points to as "proof" of Hamilton's brilliance is just what happens when
a Mercedes trails a Mercedes; something you've just openly agreed with.
The evidence of Hamilton's skill is in being ahead of Bottas (much) more often than behind. Then it is (of course) much easier than trailing.
You've completely skipped the point that this is not just about the car.
On 2020-12-07 10:01 a.m., Mark wrote:
Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-12-07 9:25 a.m., Mark wrote:
Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
<snipped solely as I have nothing to add>
All you can say is that on that one day, Russell did a fantastic job. >>>>>> Let's also recognise that he also pulled off plenty of passing in
non-clear air. Admittedly, in a fine car.
Against much slower cars.
He's in an ill-fitting seat with ill-fitting shoes and a car he barely >>>> knows. But it's all about the car.
"Ill-fitting seat"? Cite, please.
"Ill-fitting shoes"? You mean spend a short time not standing but
reclining (literally with your feet up)? Tell you what, you buy them,
and I'll race next year in shoes one size too small and it won't affect
me in the least.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/russell-wearing-small-race-boots-to-fit-into-mercedes-f1-car/4920500/
Amongst other reports. There was a comment made during the weekend that
he barely fit the cockpit.
On the shoes, one report suggested he was using shoes two sizes too
small...but I think that's confusion over the fact that he has feet two
sizes bigger than Hamilton (11 as opposed to 9). He used size 10 at the
weekend.
From that report:
"Russell underwent a seat fitting in the Mercedes W11 on Wednesday to
get used to the cockpit, but soon found that it was tighter than his
regular surroundings at Williams."
Just so you know, that means they:
1. Created a foam seat with him in the car.
2. Used that foam seat to create a carbon/kevlar/??? seat for him.
<https://motorsport.tech/formula-1/f1-seat-fitting>
So no "ill-fitting seat" at all.
He passed two Alfa-Romeos, Vettel, Gasly and Norris.
The fastest lap by any of the cars he passed was Giovinazzi; nearly 1.5
seconds slower than Russell's fastest.
I notice you skipped this...
Bottas has shown repeatedly over the season that the Mercedes performs >>>> badly in dirty air. Hamilton has had problems when he's slipped back
too.
Not with cars that much slower, he hasn't. Although I do agree that the
Mercedes definitely has more trouble in dirty air.
Thank you.
You're welcome. But again, I'm just interested in what's real.
I don't think it's fair to simply dismiss everything this weekend as
being all about the car.
I'm not dismissing everything. I was pointing out that what everyone
points to as "proof" of Hamilton's brilliance is just what happens when
a Mercedes trails a Mercedes; something you've just openly agreed with.
The evidence of Hamilton's skill is in being ahead of Bottas (much) more
often than behind. Then it is (of course) much easier than trailing.
You've completely skipped the point that this is not just about the car.
Because I have literally never ever claimed it was.
And you've now completely skipped the point that your own point about
the performance of the Mercedes in dirty air affects Bottas's ability to attack Hamilton.
Bottas had a tank-slapper and anyone here who claims they know why is >fooling themselves. But for that, he could well have led.
He had a tank slapper because he panicked and booted it too hard to try and stay ahead of the pack, which he just managed by slowing them up.
That was a truly, truly awful weekend for Bottas and he admitted that it didn't look good for him. Fine he got pole, but he was an edgy shambles on Friday. P3 was OK for VB but GR admitted that he overdrove P3 and said he had to have a quiet lie down and take deep breaths and decided to let the car come to him in Q. VB should have been right on GR's tail after the start and trying to hound him into a mistake, just like LH hounds VB. Instead he just wilted. Then later on worn hard tyres that were still fresher than the other single stoppers, he should have been on their tails.
So much for all the "To whom it may concern"s.
I wouldn't be surprised if he decides to retire after next weekend. He must know that he cannot expend this energy for another year to try and defeat LH when GR in a totally strange car gives him a hard time.
The car is undoubtedly good, but this race was down to the quality of the driver and VB is not just up there. He does reasonably well and ensures the constructors points are good.
On 2020-12-07 9:25 a.m., Mark wrote:
Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-12-07 7:29 a.m., Mark wrote:
Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
So we're only on lap 10 of the race (just the third? lap after they went >>>>> green again), and Russell has already pulled out a 2 second lead on Bottas.
Does anyone here suddenly understand what a huge advantage clear air is...
...or are you now willing to call Russell the GOAT based on how much >>>>> faster than Bottas he appears to be?
:-)
Who has *ever* been described as GOAT after a single fantastic
performance?
Way to completely miss the point!
Not at all. He's had a single weekend in the same car against Bottas,
and you posed *that* question. How is my response missing the point?
Are you familiar with what a ":-)" might indicate?
All you can say is that on that one day, Russell did a fantastic job.
Let's also recognise that he also pulled off plenty of passing in
non-clear air. Admittedly, in a fine car.
Against much slower cars.
He's in an ill-fitting seat with ill-fitting shoes and a car he barely
knows. But it's all about the car.
"Ill-fitting seat"? Cite, please.
"Ill-fitting shoes"? You mean spend a short time not standing but
reclining (literally with your feet up)? Tell you what, you buy them,
and I'll race next year in shoes one size too small and it won't affect
me in the least.
He passed two Alfa-Romeos, Vettel, Gasly and Norris.--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
The fastest lap by any of the cars he passed was Giovinazzi; nearly 1.5 >seconds slower than Russell's fastest.
Bottas has shown repeatedly over the season that the Mercedes performs
badly in dirty air. Hamilton has had problems when he's slipped back
too.
Not with cars that much slower, he hasn't. Although I do agree that the >Mercedes definitely has more trouble in dirty air.
I don't think it's fair to simply dismiss everything this weekend as
being all about the car.
I'm not dismissing everything. I was pointing out that what everyone
points to as "proof" of Hamilton's brilliance is just what happens when
a Mercedes trails a Mercedes; something you've just openly agreed with.
Nonetheless, he still did a great job in an unfamiliar car, and I think >>>> the bigger story is how Bottas failed to take the opportunity to prove >>>> his own case for his seat.
If this is such a spectacular car, unless you view Bottas as *useless*, >>>> you can only tip your hat at Russell's performance.
I do tip my hat to it. He drove very, very well.
Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-12-07 10:01 a.m., Mark wrote:
Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-12-07 9:25 a.m., Mark wrote:
Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
<snipped solely as I have nothing to add>
All you can say is that on that one day, Russell did a fantastic job. >>>>>>> Let's also recognise that he also pulled off plenty of passing in >>>>>>> non-clear air. Admittedly, in a fine car.
Against much slower cars.
He's in an ill-fitting seat with ill-fitting shoes and a car he barely >>>>> knows. But it's all about the car.
"Ill-fitting seat"? Cite, please.
"Ill-fitting shoes"? You mean spend a short time not standing but
reclining (literally with your feet up)? Tell you what, you buy them,
and I'll race next year in shoes one size too small and it won't affect >>>> me in the least.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/russell-wearing-small-race-boots-to-fit-into-mercedes-f1-car/4920500/
Amongst other reports. There was a comment made during the weekend that >>> he barely fit the cockpit.
On the shoes, one report suggested he was using shoes two sizes too
small...but I think that's confusion over the fact that he has feet two
sizes bigger than Hamilton (11 as opposed to 9). He used size 10 at the
weekend.
From that report:
"Russell underwent a seat fitting in the Mercedes W11 on Wednesday to
get used to the cockpit, but soon found that it was tighter than his
regular surroundings at Williams."
Just so you know, that means they:
1. Created a foam seat with him in the car.
2. Used that foam seat to create a carbon/kevlar/??? seat for him.
<https://motorsport.tech/formula-1/f1-seat-fitting>
So no "ill-fitting seat" at all.
I was talking about the overall fit not simply the physical seat. I can understand I could have used a different form of words.
He passed two Alfa-Romeos, Vettel, Gasly and Norris.
The fastest lap by any of the cars he passed was Giovinazzi; nearly 1.5 >>>> seconds slower than Russell's fastest.
I notice you skipped this...
I had nothing to add.
Bottas has shown repeatedly over the season that the Mercedes performs >>>>> badly in dirty air. Hamilton has had problems when he's slipped back >>>>> too.
Not with cars that much slower, he hasn't. Although I do agree that the >>>> Mercedes definitely has more trouble in dirty air.
Thank you.
You're welcome. But again, I'm just interested in what's real.
The evidence of Hamilton's skill is in being ahead of Bottas (much) more >>> often than behind. Then it is (of course) much easier than trailing.I don't think it's fair to simply dismiss everything this weekend as >>>>> being all about the car.
I'm not dismissing everything. I was pointing out that what everyone
points to as "proof" of Hamilton's brilliance is just what happens when >>>> a Mercedes trails a Mercedes; something you've just openly agreed with. >>>
You've completely skipped the point that this is not just about the car.
Because I have literally never ever claimed it was.
You have claimed that it's 90% about the car.
You have also claimed
that pretty much any driver in the Mercedes can beat just about any
other driver not in a Mercedes, haven't you?
I will go look up precise
quotes if you really need me to. (Though it will be really tedious and pointless).
And you've now completely skipped the point that your own point about
the performance of the Mercedes in dirty air affects Bottas's ability to
attack Hamilton.
Including in qualifying? Which is why he is so often ahead of Bottas compared to the other way around...
On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 09:42:59 -0800, Alan Baker
He's in an ill-fitting seat with ill-fitting shoes and a car he barely
knows. But it's all about the car.
"Ill-fitting seat"? Cite, please.
"Ill-fitting shoes"? You mean spend a short time not standing but
reclining (literally with your feet up)? Tell you what, you buy them,
and I'll race next year in shoes one size too small and it won't affect
me in the least.
I think that hits the kernel of Baker's problem - he seems to believe
that if he could get a chance in a Mercedes, he would be up there at
the front!
He passed two Alfa-Romeos, Vettel, Gasly and Norris.
The fastest lap by any of the cars he passed was Giovinazzi; nearly 1.5
seconds slower than Russell's fastest.
Bottas has shown repeatedly over the season that the Mercedes performs
badly in dirty air. Hamilton has had problems when he's slipped back
too.
Not with cars that much slower, he hasn't. Although I do agree that the
Mercedes definitely has more trouble in dirty air.
I don't think it's fair to simply dismiss everything this weekend as
being all about the car.
I'm not dismissing everything. I was pointing out that what everyone
points to as "proof" of Hamilton's brilliance is just what happens when
a Mercedes trails a Mercedes; something you've just openly agreed with.
BBC 5 Live team reckoned he would have had a foam seat done at the
circuit but proper carbon fibre is a factory job and wouldn't have
been done in time. Perhaps for next weekend/year??
On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 07:48:05 -0800 (PST), "crms...@gmail.com" <crmstone@gmail.com> wrote:
Bottas had a tank-slapper and anyone here who claims they knowfooling themselves. But for that, he could well have led.
why is
He had a tank slapper because he panicked and booted it too hard to
try and stay ahead of the pack, which he just managed by slowing
them up. That was a truly, truly awful weekend for Bottas and he
admitted that it didn't look good for him. Fine he got pole, but
he was an edgy shambles on Friday. P3 was OK for VB but GR
admitted that he overdrove P3 and said he had to have a quiet lie
down and take deep breaths and decided to let the car come to him
in Q. VB should have been right on GR's tail after the start and
trying to hound him into a mistake, just like LH hounds VB.
Instead he just wilted. Then later on worn hard tyres that were
still fresher than the other single stoppers, he should have been
on their tails. So much for all the "To whom it may concern"s. I
wouldn't be surprised if he decides to retire after next weekend.
He must know that he cannot expend this energy for another year to
try and defeat LH when GR in a totally strange car gives him a hard
time. The car is undoubtedly good, but this race was down to the
quality of the driver and VB is not just up there. He does
reasonably well and ensures the constructors points are good.
Which all goes to show that despite Bakers' begrudgery, no matter
how good a car is, it takes a good driver (which Bottas is) on top of
his game (which Bottas too often isn't) to take advantage of the
car's superiority.
Hands up, I had a feeling that Russell was over-hyped by the British
media. I was wrong - he really is a first class driver and, if
Mercedes don't give him a seat, I can see other teams queuing up to
get him.
The really great thing is that I now see 3 drivers in contention for Hamilton's crown if their teams can give them decent cars -
Verstappen, Leclerc and Russell.
On Monday, 7 December 2020 at 15:29:57 UTC, mpc...@gmail.com wrote:
Alan Baker <notony...@no.no.no.no> wrote:For me the best thing about Russell's performance was that he was
Who has *ever* been described as GOAT after a single fantastic
So we're only on lap 10 of the race (just the third? lap after they went >>> green again), and Russell has already pulled out a 2 second lead on Bottas. >>>
Does anyone here suddenly understand what a huge advantage clear air is... >>>
...or are you now willing to call Russell the GOAT based on how much
faster than Bottas he appears to be?
:-)
performance?
All you can say is that on that one day, Russell did a fantastic job.
Let's also recognise that he also pulled off plenty of passing in
non-clear air. Admittedly, in a fine car.
Nonetheless, he still did a great job in an unfamiliar car, and I think
the bigger story is how Bottas failed to take the opportunity to prove
his own case for his seat.
If this is such a spectacular car, unless you view Bottas as *useless*,
you can only tip your hat at Russell's performance.
both aggressive and clean. Decisive.
On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 22:11:55 +1300, ~misfit~
<shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:
On 7/12/2020 9:32 pm, Martin Harran wrote:
On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 09:27:25 -0800, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
So we're only on lap 10 of the race (just the third? lap after they went >>>> green again), and Russell has already pulled out a 2 second lead on Bottas.
Does anyone here suddenly understand what a huge advantage clear air is... >>>>
...or are you now willing to call Russell the GOAT based on how much
faster than Bottas he appears to be?
:-)
That clear air that Bottas didn't have at the start?
The same clear air that Russell didn't have at the end - but he still managed to pass more cars
than Bottas has all season*.
[*] Maybe a slight exaggeration but Bottas never seems to be able to cut through the field like
Hamilton or Russell does in the Merc.
Baker attacked me for claiming that Hamilton is far ahead of Bottas as
a driver. Russell gets his first drive in a car which is actually
setup too small for him and has to wear shoes a size smaller than he
normally wears, yet he drives Bottas into the ground. Oops, I forgot
... Bottas beat Russell by all of 0.0267 in quali so the difference
between them is really only marginal ;)
On 7/12/2020 11:22 pm, Martin Harran wrote:
On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 22:11:55 +1300, ~misfit~
<shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:
On 7/12/2020 9:32 pm, Martin Harran wrote:
On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 09:27:25 -0800, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
So we're only on lap 10 of the race (just the third? lap after they >>>>> went
green again), and Russell has already pulled out a 2 second lead on >>>>> Bottas.
Does anyone here suddenly understand what a huge advantage clear
air is...
...or are you now willing to call Russell the GOAT based on how much >>>>> faster than Bottas he appears to be?
:-)
That clear air that Bottas didn't have at the start?
The same clear air that Russell didn't have at the end - but he still
managed to pass more cars
than Bottas has all season*.
[*] Maybe a slight exaggeration but Bottas never seems to be able to
cut through the field like
Hamilton or Russell does in the Merc.
Baker attacked me for claiming that Hamilton is far ahead of Bottas as
a driver. Russell gets his first drive in a car which is actually
setup too small for him and has to wear shoes a size smaller than he
normally wears, yet he drives Bottas into the ground. Oops, I forgot
... Bottas beat Russell by all of 0.0267 in quali so the difference
between them is really only marginal ;)
Yeah there's your problem - reading Baker's bullshit. ;)
I liked how, when George was leading the race (and Bottas) at one stage
he radioed Bono and said 'Is my pace ok? Just let me know if you need me
to go faster' (or words to that effect). Bottas was pushing as best he
could to catch up and George had speed in hand.
On Monday, 7 December 2020 at 15:29:57 UTC, mpc...@gmail.com wrote:
Alan Baker <notony...@no.no.no.no> wrote:For me the best thing about Russell's performance was that he was
Who has *ever* been described as GOAT after a single fantastic
So we're only on lap 10 of the race (just the third? lap after they went >>> green again), and Russell has already pulled out a 2 second lead on Bottas. >>>
Does anyone here suddenly understand what a huge advantage clear air is... >>>
...or are you now willing to call Russell the GOAT based on how much
faster than Bottas he appears to be?
:-)
performance?
All you can say is that on that one day, Russell did a fantastic job.
Let's also recognise that he also pulled off plenty of passing in
non-clear air. Admittedly, in a fine car.
Nonetheless, he still did a great job in an unfamiliar car, and I think
the bigger story is how Bottas failed to take the opportunity to prove
his own case for his seat.
If this is such a spectacular car, unless you view Bottas as *useless*,
you can only tip your hat at Russell's performance.
both aggressive and clean. Decisive. He didn't hang around when
there was a possibilty he could make a move, and considering how he's
had to race in the Williams recently to switch that on, whilst probably fearful of stuffing things up (e.g hitting Bottas).
Getting into the first corner first is a little bit of luck as well as skill so
no-one would have complained if he'd slotted in behind Bottas for the
first section of the race.
On 7/12/2020 11:22 pm, Martin Harran wrote:
On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 22:11:55 +1300, ~misfit~
<shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:
On 7/12/2020 9:32 pm, Martin Harran wrote:
On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 09:27:25 -0800, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
So we're only on lap 10 of the race (just the third? lap after they >>>>> went
green again), and Russell has already pulled out a 2 second lead on >>>>> Bottas.
Does anyone here suddenly understand what a huge advantage clear
air is...
...or are you now willing to call Russell the GOAT based on how much >>>>> faster than Bottas he appears to be?
:-)
That clear air that Bottas didn't have at the start?
The same clear air that Russell didn't have at the end - but he still
managed to pass more cars
than Bottas has all season*.
[*] Maybe a slight exaggeration but Bottas never seems to be able to
cut through the field like
Hamilton or Russell does in the Merc.
Baker attacked me for claiming that Hamilton is far ahead of Bottas as
a driver. Russell gets his first drive in a car which is actually
setup too small for him and has to wear shoes a size smaller than he
normally wears, yet he drives Bottas into the ground. Oops, I forgot
... Bottas beat Russell by all of 0.0267 in quali so the difference
between them is really only marginal ;)
Yeah there's your problem - reading Baker's bullshit. ;)
I liked how, when George was leading the race (and Bottas) at one stage
he radioed Bono and said 'Is my pace ok? Just let me know if you need me
to go faster' (or words to that effect). Bottas was pushing as best he
could to catch up and George had speed in hand.
On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 07:48:05 -0800 (PST), "crms...@gmail.com" <crmstone@gmail.com> wrote:
Bottas had a tank-slapper and anyone here who claims they know why isfooling themselves. But for that, he could well have led.
He had a tank slapper because he panicked and booted it too hard to try and stay ahead of the pack, which he just managed by slowing them up.
That was a truly, truly awful weekend for Bottas and he admitted that it didn't look good for him. Fine he got pole, but he was an edgy shambles on Friday. P3 was OK for VB but GR admitted that he overdrove P3 and said he had to have a quiet lie down and take deep breaths and decided to let the car come to him in Q. VB should have been right on GR's tail after the start and trying to hound him into a mistake, just like LH hounds VB. Instead he just wilted. Then later on worn hard tyres that were still fresher than the other single stoppers, he should have been on their tails.
So much for all the "To whom it may concern"s.
I wouldn't be surprised if he decides to retire after next weekend. He must know that he cannot expend this energy for another year to try and defeat LH when GR in a totally strange car gives him a hard time.
The car is undoubtedly good, but this race was down to the quality of the driver and VB is not just up there. He does reasonably well and ensures the constructors points are good.
Which all goes to show that despite Bakers' begrudgery, no matter how
good a car is, it takes a good driver (which Bottas is) on top of his
game (which Bottas too often isn't) to take advantage of the car's superiority.
Hands up, I had a feeling that Russell was over-hyped by the British
media. I was wrong - he really is a first class driver and, if
Mercedes don't give him a seat, I can see other teams queuing up to
get him.
The really great thing is that I now see 3 drivers in contention for Hamilton's crown if their teams can give them decent cars -
Verstappen, Leclerc and Russell.
BBC 5 Live team reckoned he would have had a foam seat done at the circuit but proper carbon fibre is a factory job and wouldn't have been done in time. Perhaps for next weekend/year??
On 8/12/2020 7:48 am, Martin Harran wrote:
On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 07:48:05 -0800 (PST), "crms...@gmail.com"
<crmstone@gmail.com> wrote:
Bottas had a tank-slapper and anyone here who claims they know why isfooling themselves. But for that, he could well have led.
He had a tank slapper because he panicked and booted it too hard to
try and stay ahead of the pack, which he just managed by slowing them
up.
That was a truly, truly awful weekend for Bottas and he admitted that
it didn't look good for him.-a Fine he got pole, but he was an edgy
shambles on Friday.-a P3 was OK for VB but GR admitted that he
overdrove P3 and said he had to have a quiet lie down and take deep
breaths and decided to let the car come to him in Q.-a VB should have
been right on GR's tail after the start and trying to hound him into
a mistake, just like LH hounds VB.-a Instead he just wilted.-a Then
later on worn hard tyres that were still fresher than the other
single stoppers, he should have been on their tails.
So much for all the "To whom it may concern"s.
I wouldn't be surprised if he decides to retire after next weekend.
He must know that he cannot expend this energy for another year to
try and defeat LH when GR in a totally strange car gives him a hard
time.
The car is undoubtedly good, but this race was down to the quality of
the driver and VB is not just up there.-a He does reasonably well and
ensures the constructors points are good.
Which all goes to show that despite Bakers' begrudgery, no matter how
good a car is, it takes a good driver (which Bottas is) on top of his
game (which Bottas too often isn't) to take advantage of the car's
superiority.
Hands up, I had a feeling that Russell was over-hyped by the British
media. I was wrong - he really is a first class driver and, if
Mercedes don't give him a seat, I can see other teams queuing up to
get him.
Not just the media. Here's a quote from Gunther Steiner:
"George Russell for me is one of the best drivers.... " and that was
from before George stepped into the Merc. <https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/steiner-haas-mazepin-pay-driver-lauda/4919246/>
Not to mention myself of course. ;) I'd not only expressed a wish to see
him in the Merc as soon as I heard Hamilton had COVID but also picked
him for pole and the win in the pool. I'd seen George trounce the field
in GP3 then go on to do the same in F2 the next year. Also his string of beating team-mates in F1 qualifying has only been bettered by Senna and Schumacher.
The really great thing is that I now see 3 drivers in contention for
Hamilton's crown if their teams can give them decent cars -
Verstappen, Leclerc and Russell.
Lando's pretty handy too but he's more of a driver who needs the right head-space to do well - like Hamilton used to be. George is more
measured and analytical, less emotional and is capable of a high
cognitive load while driving - like Hamilton is now.
On 8/12/2020 12:59 pm, ~misfit~ wrote:
On 7/12/2020 11:22 pm, Martin Harran wrote:
On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 22:11:55 +1300, ~misfit~
<shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:
On 7/12/2020 9:32 pm, Martin Harran wrote:
On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 09:27:25 -0800, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
So we're only on lap 10 of the race (just the third? lap after
they went
green again), and Russell has already pulled out a 2 second lead
on Bottas.
Does anyone here suddenly understand what a huge advantage clear
air is...
...or are you now willing to call Russell the GOAT based on how much >>>>>> faster than Bottas he appears to be?
:-)
That clear air that Bottas didn't have at the start?
The same clear air that Russell didn't have at the end - but he
still managed to pass more cars
than Bottas has all season*.
[*] Maybe a slight exaggeration but Bottas never seems to be able to
cut through the field like
Hamilton or Russell does in the Merc.
Baker attacked me for claiming that Hamilton is far ahead of Bottas as
a driver. Russell gets his first drive in a car which is actually
setup too small for him and has to wear shoes a size smaller than he
normally wears, yet he drives Bottas into the ground. Oops, I forgot
... Bottas beat Russell by all of 0.0267 in quali so the difference
between them is really only marginal ;)
Yeah there's your problem - reading Baker's bullshit. ;)
I liked how, when George was leading the race (and Bottas) at one
stage he radioed Bono and said 'Is my pace ok? Just let me know if you
need me to go faster' (or words to that effect). Bottas was pushing as
best he could to catch up and George had speed in hand.
Possibly mind-games, of joking ?
On 8/12/2020 7:56 am, crms...@gmail.com wrote:
BBC 5 Live team reckoned he would have had a foam seat done at the
circuit but proper carbon fibre is a factory job and wouldn't have
been done in time.-a Perhaps for next weekend/year??
George himself said he was using his 'three-year old seat' and that he's grown since it was made but I'm not going to watch hours of video again
to find it.
On 2020-12-07 4:36 p.m., ~misfit~ wrote:
Lando's pretty handy too but he's more of a driver who needs the right
head-space to do well - like Hamilton used to be. George is more
measured and analytical, less emotional and is capable of a high
cognitive load while driving - like Hamilton is now.
Again... ...until you put Norris in a truly competitive car, drawing any conclusions about what he can do are just speculation.
On 8/12/2020 4:16 pm, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-12-07 4:36 p.m., ~misfit~ wrote:
Lando's pretty handy too but he's more of a driver who needs the
right head-space to do well - like Hamilton used to be. George is
more measured and analytical, less emotional and is capable of a high
cognitive load while driving - like Hamilton is now.
Again... ...until you put Norris in a truly competitive car, drawing
any conclusions about what he can do are just speculation.
Possibly along the lines of what he does now, but faster. Which still
leaves room for improvement.
On 8/12/2020 4:16 pm, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-12-07 4:36 p.m., ~misfit~ wrote:
Lando's pretty handy too but he's more of a driver who needs the
right head-space to do well - like Hamilton used to be. George
is more measured and analytical, less emotional and is capable
of a high cognitive load while driving - like Hamilton is now.
Again... ...until you put Norris in a truly competitive car,
drawing any conclusions about what he can do are just speculation.
Possibly along the lines of what he does now, but faster. Which still
leaves room for improvement.
geoff wrote:
On 8/12/2020 4:16 pm, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-12-07 4:36 p.m., ~misfit~ wrote:
Lando's pretty handy too but he's more of a driver who needs the
right head-space to do well - like Hamilton used to be. George
is more measured and analytical, less emotional and is capable
of a high cognitive load while driving - like Hamilton is now.
Again... ...until you put Norris in a truly competitive car,
drawing any conclusions about what he can do are just speculation.
Possibly along the lines of what he does now, but faster. Which still
leaves room for improvement.
Is there any point in having such an argument with someone who just
admitted he doesn't pay attention to drivers down the grid.
geoff wrote:
On 8/12/2020 4:16 pm, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-12-07 4:36 p.m., ~misfit~ wrote:
Lando's pretty handy too but he's more of a driver who needs the
right head-space to do well - like Hamilton used to be. George
is more measured and analytical, less emotional and is capable
of a high cognitive load while driving - like Hamilton is now.
Again... ...until you put Norris in a truly competitive car,
drawing any conclusions about what he can do are just speculation.
Possibly along the lines of what he does now, but faster. Which still
leaves room for improvement.
Is there any point in having such an argument with someone who just
admitted he doesn't pay attention to drivers down the grid.
On 8/12/2020 8:25 pm, Bigbird wrote:
geoff wrote:
On 8/12/2020 4:16 pm, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-12-07 4:36 p.m., ~misfit~ wrote:
Lando's pretty handy too but he's more of a driver who needs the
right-a head-space to do well - like Hamilton used to be. George
is more-a measured and analytical, less emotional and is capable
of a high-a cognitive load while driving - like Hamilton is now.
Again... ...until you put Norris in a truly competitive car,
drawing any-a conclusions about what he can do are just speculation.
Possibly along the lines of what he does now, but faster. Which still
leaves room for improvement.
Is there any point in having such an argument with someone who just
admitted he doesn't pay attention to drivers down the grid.
Also I base my opinion on how they did in the feeder formulas for years before they got to F1. Not only do I watch every F1 race I also watch
every F2 and F3 race (and GP2 etc before the name change). Heck I've
even watched quite a lot of regional F3 previously, not just the FIA F3.
A lot of these drivers (Kvyat, Stroll, Norris et al.) have also driven
in the New Zealand Toyota Racing Series and I watch that. I also watch
all Super Formula and Formula E races and have even been known to watch
the odd Indycar race.
Still though, hobbyist peddler Baker knows far more about these drivers
and international open-wheel racing than I do (according to him).
On 2020-12-07 7:26 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 8/12/2020 4:16 pm, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-12-07 4:36 p.m., ~misfit~ wrote:
Lando's pretty handy too but he's more of a driver who needs the
right head-space to do well - like Hamilton used to be. George is
more measured and analytical, less emotional and is capable of a
high cognitive load while driving - like Hamilton is now.
Again... ...until you put Norris in a truly competitive car, drawing
any conclusions about what he can do are just speculation.
Possibly along the lines of what he does now, but faster. Which still
leaves room for improvement.
Based on what facts do you draw that conclusion?
Or are actual facts too much to ask for?
On 8/12/2020 8:25 pm, Bigbird wrote:
geoff wrote:
On 8/12/2020 4:16 pm, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-12-07 4:36 p.m., ~misfit~ wrote:
Lando's pretty handy too but he's more of a driver who needs the
right-a head-space to do well - like Hamilton used to be. George
is more-a measured and analytical, less emotional and is capable
of a high-a cognitive load while driving - like Hamilton is now.
Again... ...until you put Norris in a truly competitive car,
drawing any-a conclusions about what he can do are just speculation.
Possibly along the lines of what he does now, but faster. Which still
leaves room for improvement.
Is there any point in having such an argument with someone who just
admitted he doesn't pay attention to drivers down the grid.
Also I base my opinion on how they did in the feeder formulas for years before they got to F1. Not only do I watch every F1 race I also watch
every F2 and F3 race (and GP2 etc before the name change). Heck I've
even watched quite a lot of regional F3 previously, not just the FIA F3.
A lot of these drivers (Kvyat, Stroll, Norris et al.) have also driven
in the New Zealand Toyota Racing Series and I watch that. I also watch
all Super Formula and Formula E races and have even been known to watch
the odd Indycar race.
Still though, hobbyist peddler Baker knows far more about these drivers
and international open-wheel racing than I do (according to him).
On 8/12/2020 8:25 pm, Bigbird wrote:
On 8/12/2020 8:51 pm, ~misfit~ wrote:
On 8/12/2020 8:25 pm, Bigbird wrote:
geoff wrote:
On 8/12/2020 4:16 pm, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-12-07 4:36 p.m., ~misfit~ wrote:
Lando's pretty handy too but he's more of a driver who needs the
right-a head-space to do well - like Hamilton used to be. George
is more-a measured and analytical, less emotional and is capable
of a high-a cognitive load while driving - like Hamilton is now.
Again... ...until you put Norris in a truly competitive car,
drawing any-a conclusions about what he can do are just speculation.
Possibly along the lines of what he does now, but faster. Which still
leaves room for improvement.
Is there any point in having such an argument with someone who just
admitted he doesn't pay attention to drivers down the grid.
Also I base my opinion on how they did in the feeder formulas for
years before they got to F1. Not only do I watch every F1 race I also
watch every F2 and F3 race (and GP2 etc before the name change). Heck
I've even watched quite a lot of regional F3 previously, not just the
FIA F3.
A lot of these drivers (Kvyat, Stroll, Norris et al.) have also driven
in the New Zealand Toyota Racing Series and I watch that. I also watch
all Super Formula and Formula E races and have even been known to
watch the odd Indycar race.
Still though, hobbyist peddler Baker knows far more about these
drivers and international open-wheel racing than I do (according to him).
Yeah, but he's "been there, done that". So you can't have developed any knowledge from merely intensively watching ots for a long time.
geoff
Baby Baker comes over in his posts as a tiny dwarf pedant who is forever jumping up to others shoulder heights saying "please, please I want to say this".
Still 10/10 for jumping energy.
Are you familiar with what a ":-)" might indicate?
The problem is, it might indicate multiple things. The best thing is
to use language. ;-)
(Yes, the smiley is deliberate)
Baker
Baker puts a smiley at the end of most of his posts
most
On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 12:08:56 AM UTC-7, Bigbird wrote:
most
Baker puts a smiley at the end of most of his posts
Bozo bin
Baby Baker
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