Leclerc:a 3 grid place penalty at the next race for causing a collision.
Mercedes:a $20K euro penalty for fitting two of Bottas' tires to
Russell.a (The sporting regs don't actually address this specific
screw-up, so the stewards recommend the FIA fix this in the next revision.)
I know it was less than a wrist slap at 20,000EUR, but there wasn't an
issue of safety, so what really was the point?
On 06/12/2020 21:47, Alan Baker wrote:
I know it was less than a wrist slap at 20,000EUR, but there wasn't an
issue of safety, so what really was the point?
Not driving on four tyres from the same set is potentially unsafe, I
guess, even if they're all the same compound. But it does seem a tad overzealous.
On 12/6/2020 7:46 PM, Calum wrote:
On 06/12/2020 21:47, Alan Baker wrote:
I know it was less than a wrist slap at 20,000EUR, but there wasn't an issue of safety, so what
really was the point?
Not driving on four tyres from the same set is potentially unsafe, I guess, even if they're all
the same compound. But it does seem a tad overzealous.
It's a breach of the sporting regulations, which among other things closely control how many tires
are allocated to, and usable by, each individual driver.a See the stewards reasoning - and what
penalties might have been applied instead - here:
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/decision-document/2020%20Sakhir%20Grand%20Prix%20-%20Offence%20-%20Mercedes%20-%20Car%2063%20incorrect%20use%20of%20tyres.pdf
You may disagree, of course.
On 06/12/2020 21:47, Alan Baker wrote:
I know it was less than a wrist slap at 20,000EUR, but there wasn't an
issue of safety, so what really was the point?
Not driving on four tyres from the same set is potentially unsafe, I
guess, even if they're all the same compound. But it does seem a tad overzealous.
Wasn't it initially bought in to stop teams doing the 'mix'n'match' with tyres? I seem to remember
a time when teams would (for instance) put softs on the front and hards on the back. Or harder
tyres on the side that took the highest load. I have a faint memory of Ferrari (who else?) doing
something like this.
On Sunday, December 6, 2020 at 6:28:43 PM UTC-8, ~misfit~ wrote:
Wasn't it initially bought in to stop teams doing the 'mix'n'match' with tyres? I seem to remember
a time when teams would (for instance) put softs on the front and hards on the back. Or harder
tyres on the side that took the highest load. I have a faint memory of Ferrari (who else?) doing
something like this.
Why shouldn't teams be able to do that? Just another rule to have a rule.
On 7/12/2020 5:05 pm, XYXPDQ wrote:
On Sunday, December 6, 2020 at 6:28:43 PM UTC-8, ~misfit~ wrote:
Wasn't it initially bought in to stop teams doing the 'mix'n'match'
with tyres? I seem to remember
a time when teams would (for instance) put softs on the front and
hards on the back. Or harder
tyres on the side that took the highest load. I have a faint memory
of Ferrari (who else?) doing
something like this.
Why shouldn't teams be able to do that?-a Just another rule to have a
rule.
Because they'd do it right up until a tyre burst and killed someone and
then they'd blame the tyre supplier. Tyre suppliers said their tyres
were made to be used as sets and wear as sets. Anything else and they're out.
And fair enough. If teams want to make their own tyres they can do what--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
they like (well if they're Ferrari they probably can).
...you really have no clue at all.
...you really have no clue at all.
...you really have no clue at all.
On Sunday, December 6, 2020 at 6:28:43 PM UTC-8, ~misfit~ wrote:
Wasn't it initially bought in to stop teams doing the 'mix'n'match' with tyres? I seem to remember
a time when teams would (for instance) put softs on the front and hards on the back. Or harder
tyres on the side that took the highest load. I have a faint memory of Ferrari (who else?) doing
something like this.
Why shouldn't teams be able to do that? Just another rule to have a rule.
On 7/12/2020 2:34 pm, Mark Jackson wrote:
On 12/6/2020 7:46 PM, Calum wrote:
On 06/12/2020 21:47, Alan Baker wrote:
I know it was less than a wrist slap at 20,000EUR, but there wasn't an >>>> issue of safety, so what
really was the point?
Not driving on four tyres from the same set is potentially unsafe, I
guess, even if they're all
the same compound. But it does seem a tad overzealous.
It's a breach of the sporting regulations, which among other things
closely control how many tires
are allocated to, and usable by, each individual driver.-a See the
stewards reasoning - and what
penalties might have been applied instead - here:
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/decision-document/2020%20Sakhir%20Grand%20Prix%20-%20Offence%20-%20Mercedes%20-%20Car%2063%20incorrect%20use%20of%20tyres.pdf
You may disagree, of course.
Wasn't it initially bought in to stop teams doing the 'mix'n'match' with tyres? I seem to remember
a time when teams would (for instance) put softs on the front and hards
on the back. Or harder
tyres on the side that took the highest load. I have a faint memory of Ferrari (who else?) doing
something like this.
But I could be wrong.
~misfit~ <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:
On 7/12/2020 2:34 pm, Mark Jackson wrote:wasn't an >>>> issue of safety, so what
On 12/6/2020 7:46 PM, Calum wrote:
On 06/12/2020 21:47, Alan Baker wrote:
I know it was less than a wrist slap at 20,000EUR, but there
unsafe, I >>> guess, even if they're allreally was the point?
Not driving on four tyres from the same set is potentially
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/decision-document/2020%20Sakhi r%20Grand%20Prix%20-%20Offence%20-%20Mercedes%20-%20Car%2063%20incorre ct%20use%20of%20tyres.pdf >> >> >>the same compound. But it does seem a tad overzealous.
It's a breach of the sporting regulations, which among other things
closely control how many tires
are allocated to, and usable by, each individual driver.-a See the
stewards reasoning - and what
penalties might have been applied instead - here:
You may disagree, of course.
Wasn't it initially bought in to stop teams doing the 'mix'n'match'
with tyres? I seem to remember
a time when teams would (for instance) put softs on the front and
hards on the back. Or harder
tyres on the side that took the highest load. I have a faint memory
of Ferrari (who else?) doing
something like this.
But I could be wrong.
I have an idea that at certain circuits teams were even mixing
compounds from side to side.
On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 20:05:12 -0800 (PST), XYXPDQ <qwrt...@gmail.com>Yep, this is the simple reason.
wrote:
On Sunday, December 6, 2020 at 6:28:43 PM UTC-8, ~misfit~ wrote:
Wasn't it initially bought in to stop teams doing the 'mix'n'match' with tyres? I seem to remember
a time when teams would (for instance) put softs on the front and hards on the back. Or harder
tyres on the side that took the highest load. I have a faint memory of Ferrari (who else?) doing
something like this.
Why shouldn't teams be able to do that? Just another rule to have a rule. "This rule is in place to prevent a driver getting an unfair advantageby using the tyres of his team mate in addition to his own."
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.monday-morning-debrief-the-smoking-gun-that-cost-mercedes-and-russell-a-win.69mT5F9GNGoHSZUZzJNtVZ.html
https://f1.com/37KRGNk
On Monday, 7 December 2020 at 11:26:15 UTC, Martin Harran wrote:
On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 20:05:12 -0800 (PST), XYXPDQ <qwrt...@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sunday, December 6, 2020 at 6:28:43 PM UTC-8, ~misfit~ wrote:
Wasn't it initially bought in to stop teams doing the 'mix'n'match' with tyres? I seem to remember
a time when teams would (for instance) put softs on the front and hards on the back. Or harder
tyres on the side that took the highest load. I have a faint memory of Ferrari (who else?) doing
something like this.
Why shouldn't teams be able to do that? Just another rule to have a rule. "This rule is in place to prevent a driver getting an unfair advantageby using the tyres of his team mate in addition to his own."
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.monday-morning-debrief-the-smoking-gun-that-cost-mercedes-and-russell-a-win.69mT5F9GNGoHSZUZzJNtVZ.html
https://f1.com/37KRGNkYep, this is the simple reason.
Tyres are allocated to cars as part of the "sport" at the start of the race weekend.
Using any other tyres undermines that rule, even if it is a mistake.
On Monday, 7 December 2020 at 11:26:15 UTC, Martin Harran wrote:
On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 20:05:12 -0800 (PST), XYXPDQ <qwrt...@gmail.com>Yep, this is the simple reason.
wrote:
On Sunday, December 6, 2020 at 6:28:43 PM UTC-8, ~misfit~ wrote:by using the tyres of his team mate in addition to his own."
Wasn't it initially bought in to stop teams doing the 'mix'n'match' with tyres? I seem to remember
a time when teams would (for instance) put softs on the front and hards on the back. Or harder
tyres on the side that took the highest load. I have a faint memory of Ferrari (who else?) doing
something like this.
Why shouldn't teams be able to do that? Just another rule to have a rule. >> "This rule is in place to prevent a driver getting an unfair advantage
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.monday-morning-debrief-the-smoking-gun-that-cost-mercedes-and-russell-a-win.69mT5F9GNGoHSZUZzJNtVZ.html
https://f1.com/37KRGNk
Tyres are allocated to cars as part of the "sport" at the start of the race weekend.
Using any other tyres undermines that rule, even if it is a mistake.
On 2020-12-07 7:01 a.m., Matt Larkin wrote:
On Monday, 7 December 2020 at 11:26:15 UTC, Martin Harran wrote:
On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 20:05:12 -0800 (PST), XYXPDQ <qwrt...@gmail.com>Yep, this is the simple reason.
wrote:
On Sunday, December 6, 2020 at 6:28:43 PM UTC-8, ~misfit~ wrote:by using the tyres of his team mate in addition to his own."
Wasn't it initially bought in to stop teams doing the 'mix'n'match' with tyres? I seem to remember
a time when teams would (for instance) put softs on the front and hards on the back. Or harder
tyres on the side that took the highest load. I have a faint memory of Ferrari (who else?) doing
something like this.
Why shouldn't teams be able to do that? Just another rule to have a rule. >>> "This rule is in place to prevent a driver getting an unfair advantage
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.monday-morning-debrief-the-smoking-gun-that-cost-mercedes-and-russell-a-win.69mT5F9GNGoHSZUZzJNtVZ.html
https://f1.com/37KRGNk
Tyres are allocated to cars as part of the "sport" at the start of the race weekend.
Using any other tyres undermines that rule, even if it is a mistake.
Not if you immediately come in and correct your mistake.
On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 09:15:32 -0800, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-12-07 7:01 a.m., Matt Larkin wrote:
On Monday, 7 December 2020 at 11:26:15 UTC, Martin Harran wrote:
On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 20:05:12 -0800 (PST), XYXPDQ <qwrt...@gmail.com>Yep, this is the simple reason.
wrote:
On Sunday, December 6, 2020 at 6:28:43 PM UTC-8, ~misfit~ wrote:
Wasn't it initially bought in to stop teams doing the 'mix'n'match' with tyres? I seem to remember
a time when teams would (for instance) put softs on the front and hards on the back. Or harder
tyres on the side that took the highest load. I have a faint memory of Ferrari (who else?) doing
something like this.
Why shouldn't teams be able to do that? Just another rule to have a rule. >>>> "This rule is in place to prevent a driver getting an unfair advantage >>>> by using the tyres of his team mate in addition to his own."
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.monday-morning-debrief-the-smoking-gun-that-cost-mercedes-and-russell-a-win.69mT5F9GNGoHSZUZzJNtVZ.html
https://f1.com/37KRGNk
Tyres are allocated to cars as part of the "sport" at the start of the race weekend.
Using any other tyres undermines that rule, even if it is a mistake.
Not if you immediately come in and correct your mistake.
When someone goes to the bother of posting a link to the stewards
decision, you really should read it before posting rubbish assertions:
<Quote>
This is clearly a breach of the regulations and would normally involve
a sporting penalty up to Disqualification. However, in this case
there are mitigating circumstances, additional to the radio issue
referred to above.
[...]
Thirdly, although this type of infringement is not catered for under
the rCL3 lap tolerancerCY referred to in the second paragraph of Article
24.4 b) (which currently only refers to the use of tyres of differing specifications), we consider it to be similar in nature.
However, the responsibility to fit tyres in compliance with the
regulations, still rests with any team and thus a penalty is
considered as being required.
</quote>
On Monday, December 7, 2020 at 7:01:10 AM UTC-8, matthew...@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, 7 December 2020 at 11:26:15 UTC, Martin Harran wrote:
On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 20:05:12 -0800 (PST), XYXPDQ <qwrt...@gmail.com>Yep, this is the simple reason.
wrote:
On Sunday, December 6, 2020 at 6:28:43 PM UTC-8, ~misfit~ wrote:by using the tyres of his team mate in addition to his own."
Wasn't it initially bought in to stop teams doing the 'mix'n'match' with tyres? I seem to remember
a time when teams would (for instance) put softs on the front and hards on the back. Or harder
tyres on the side that took the highest load. I have a faint memory of Ferrari (who else?) doing
something like this.
Why shouldn't teams be able to do that? Just another rule to have a rule. >>> "This rule is in place to prevent a driver getting an unfair advantage
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.monday-morning-debrief-the-smoking-gun-that-cost-mercedes-and-russell-a-win.69mT5F9GNGoHSZUZzJNtVZ.html
https://f1.com/37KRGNk
Tyres are allocated to cars as part of the "sport" at the start of the race weekend.
Using any other tyres undermines that rule, even if it is a mistake.
So we agree, it's because of one more silly F1 rule.
On 8/12/2020 4:49 am, XYXPDQ wrote:
On Monday, December 7, 2020 at 7:01:10 AM UTC-8, matthew...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Monday, 7 December 2020 at 11:26:15 UTC, Martin Harran wrote:
On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 20:05:12 -0800 (PST), XYXPDQ <qwrt...@gmail.com>Yep, this is the simple reason.
wrote:
On Sunday, December 6, 2020 at 6:28:43 PM UTC-8, ~misfit~ wrote:"This rule is in place to prevent a driver getting an unfair advantage >>>> by using the tyres of his team mate in addition to his own."
Wasn't it initially bought in to stop teams doing the
'mix'n'match' with tyres? I seem to remember
a time when teams would (for instance) put softs on the front and >>>>>> hards on the back. Or harder
tyres on the side that took the highest load. I have a faint
memory of Ferrari (who else?) doing
something like this.
Why shouldn't teams be able to do that? Just another rule to have a >>>>> rule.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.monday-morning-debrief-the-smoking-gun-that-cost-mercedes-and-russell-a-win.69mT5F9GNGoHSZUZzJNtVZ.html
https://f1.com/37KRGNk
Tyres are allocated to cars as part of the "sport" at the start of
the race weekend.
Using any other tyres undermines that rule, even if it is a mistake.
So we agree, it's because of one more silly F1 rule.
Comprehension not your strong-suit huh? They guys posting ahead of your reply disagree and give the reasons and you interpret that as agreeing
with you.
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