DotD - not a question
More than honorable mention to Perez, any other weekend an he'd be the it.
DotD - not a question
More than honorable mention to Perez, any other weekend an he'd be the it.
DotD - not a question
More than honorable mention to Perez, any other weekend an he'd be the it.
I agree - but Russell has 2 x L at the end.
I agree - but Russell has 2 x L at the end.
On 2020-12-06 8:03 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
DotD - not a question
More than honorable mention to Perez, any other weekend an he'd be the
it.
I'm sorry, but no.
He was in the best car and while is DOTW was very impressive, all he did
in the race was run as was expected.
Perez for certain.
He was in the best car and while is DOTW was very impressive, all
he did in the race was run as was expected.
Perez for certain.
Agreed.
On 2020-12-06 8:03 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
DotD - not a question
More than honorable mention to Perez, any other weekend an he'd be the it. >>
I'm sorry, but no.
He was in the best car and while is DOTW was very impressive, all he did
in the race was run as was expected.
Perez for certain.--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 20:50:27 -0800, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-12-06 8:03 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
DotD - not a question
More than honorable mention to Perez, any other weekend an he'd be the it. >>>
I'm sorry, but no.
He was in the best car and while is DOTW was very impressive, all he did
in the race was run as was expected.
Did same apply to Bottas?
--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
Perez for certain.
geoff wrote:
He was in the best car and while is DOTW was very impressive, all
he did in the race was run as was expected.
Perez for certain.
Agreed.
We've seen plenty of drivers get in another teams car and fail
miserably.
It's fallacious to say that George only did what was expected. He was
not expected to get the car off the line as well as he did no matter
manage the tyres and make a series of passes some not simple take
aways. Of course it helped that the most likely opposition scuppered
itself at the start. There are dozens of ways to screw up during the
race and many drivers did; George didn't... and after all the screw ups
he still got his head down and rescued some points.
I'm looking forward to see what he can do if in the car next week. Of
course expectations will be higher. :)
On 2020-12-07 12:29 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 20:50:27 -0800, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-12-06 8:03 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
DotD - not a question
More than honorable mention to Perez, any other weekend an he'd be the it. >>>>
I'm sorry, but no.
He was in the best car and while is DOTW was very impressive, all he did >>> in the race was run as was expected.
Did same apply to Bottas?
Yup.
If the team doesn't screw up, then the they most likely finish 1-2
and
anyone here who claims to know which way around it would have been is >fooling themselves.
--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
Perez for certain.
On 2020-12-06 8:03 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
DotD - not a question
More than honorable mention to Perez, any other weekend an he'd be the
it.
I'm sorry, but no.
He was in the best car and while is DOTW was very impressive, all he did
in the race was run as was expected.
Perez for certain.
On 07/12/2020 04:50, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-12-06 8:03 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
DotD - not a question
More than honorable mention to Perez, any other weekend an he'd be the
it.
I'm sorry, but no.
He was in the best car and while is DOTW was very impressive, all he did
in the race was run as was expected.
Perez for certain.
No disrespect to Perez, but he was gifted the win. Russell overtaking
Bottas at the start and all the overtaking after the pitlane cockups got
him DOTD for me.
Stunning by George Russell.My feed was on an ad break when the gap fell from 8s to 5s, with both cars doing laps in the 1:0Xs.
In a car set up/designed for LH's driving style, wrong size car to boot, boots a size too small, hands too big for LH's steering wheel gear and clutch levers and requiring icing on bruising after each session.
And his start was amazing, given the lever sizes, and an even better demonstration at Turn 2 with VB wiggling about and GR sailing serenely on.
What isn't clear is how much he was controlling the gap after the pit stops when VB closed from 8.5 seconds to approx 5?? And what gap he was planning to maintain to the finish??
VB must be really downhearted after this weekend?? https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/55210939
On 07/12/2020 04:50, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-12-06 8:03 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
DotD - not a question
More than honorable mention to Perez, any other weekend an he'd be the
it.
I'm sorry, but no.
He was in the best car and while is DOTW was very impressive, all he did
in the race was run as was expected.
Perez for certain.
No disrespect to Perez, but he was gifted the win. Russell overtaking
Bottas at the start and all the overtaking after the pitlane cockups got
him DOTD for me.
The gap fell by 2-3s in one lap alone, didn't it?
On 7/12/2020 8:02 pm, Bigbird wrote:
geoff wrote:
He was in the best car and while is DOTW was very impressive,
all he did in the race was run as was expected.
Perez for certain.
Agreed.
We've seen plenty of drivers get in another teams car and fail
miserably.
It's fallacious to say that George only did what was expected. He
was not expected to get the car off the line as well as he did no
matter manage the tyres and make a series of passes some not simple
take aways. Of course it helped that the most likely opposition
scuppered itself at the start. There are dozens of ways to screw up
during the race and many drivers did; George didn't... and after
all the screw ups he still got his head down and rescued some
points.
I'm looking forward to see what he can do if in the car next week.
Of course expectations will be higher. :)
Gut-wrenching that the team screwed him up.
On Monday, 7 December 2020 at 11:35:23 UTC, crms...@gmail.com wrote:
Stunning by George Russell.My feed was on an ad break when the gap fell from 8s to 5s, with both
In a car set up/designed for LH's driving style, wrong size car to
boot, boots a size too small, hands too big for LH's steering wheel
gear and clutch levers and requiring icing on bruising after each
session. And his start was amazing, given the lever sizes, and an
even better demonstration at Turn 2 with VB wiggling about and GR
sailing serenely on. What isn't clear is how much he was
controlling the gap after the pit stops when VB closed from 8.5
seconds to approx 5?? And what gap he was planning to maintain to
the finish?? VB must be really downhearted after this weekend?? https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/55210939
cars doing laps in the 1:0Xs.
What happened in those laps? Did someone spin / bring out yellows
that meant both the Mercs had to slow, and VB just gained a few
seconds.
The gap fell by 2-3s in one lap alone, didn't it?
Virtual Safety car
It was down to 7.5 (L54) then up to 9 during VSC then down to 5.6 (L56)
on restart.
On 2020-12-06 8:03 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
DotD - not a question
More than honorable mention to Perez, any other weekend an he'd be the it. >>
I'm sorry, but no.
He was in the best car and while is DOTW was very impressive, all he did
in the race was run as was expected.
Perez for certain.
Three seconds is a lot to attribute to "nailing" a switch. Russell must have missed the signal.Virtual Safety car
It was down to 7.5 (L54) then up to 9 during VSC then down to 5.6 (L56)Yes - from Motor Sport "The restart cost Russell a further three seconds as Bottas nailed the switch back to racing conditions, cutting the lead down to 5.5sec by lap 60."
on restart.
But such a shame but equally great to see Checo win.
Stunning by George Russell.
In a car set up/designed for LH's driving style, wrong size car to boot, boots a size too small, hands too big for LH's steering wheel gear and clutch levers and requiring icing on bruising after each session.
And his start was amazing, given the lever sizes, and an even better demonstration at Turn 2 with VB wiggling about and GR sailing serenely on.
What isn't clear is how much he was controlling the gap after the pit stops when VB closed from 8.5 seconds to approx 5?? And what gap he was planning to maintain to the finish??
VB must be really downhearted after this weekend?? https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/55210939
In article <0a09a2cc-b9ec-4d62-a605-6edcdee625ebn@googlegroups.com>, crmstone@gmail.com says...
Stunning by George Russell.
In a car set up/designed for LH's driving style, wrong size car to boot, boots a size too small, hands too big for LH's steering wheel gear and clutch levers and requiring icing on bruising after each session.
And his start was amazing, given the lever sizes, and an even better demonstration at Turn 2 with VB wiggling about and GR sailing serenely on.
What isn't clear is how much he was controlling the gap after the pit stops when VB closed from 8.5 seconds to approx 5?? And what gap he was planning to maintain to the finish??
VB must be really downhearted after this weekend??
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/55210939
Not half as downhearted as Hamilton must be! Russel has finally shown what many have said for a long time - it IS all down to the car.
On 12/7/2020 11:44 AM, Philip wrote:
In article <0a09a2cc-b9ec-4d62-a605-6edcdee625ebn@googlegroups.com>,
crmstone@gmail.com says...
Stunning by George Russell.
In a car set up/designed for LH's driving style, wrong size car to boot, boots a size too small, hands too big for LH's steering wheel gear and clutch levers and requiring icing on bruising after each session.
And his start was amazing, given the lever sizes, and an even better demonstration at Turn 2 with VB wiggling about and GR sailing serenely on.
What isn't clear is how much he was controlling the gap after the pit stops when VB closed from 8.5 seconds to approx 5?? And what gap he was planning to maintain to the finish??
VB must be really downhearted after this weekend??
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/55210939
Not half as downhearted as Hamilton must be! Russel has finally shown what >> many have said for a long time - it IS all down to the car.
Bingo.
On 07/12/2020 04:50, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-12-06 8:03 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
DotD - not a question
More than honorable mention to Perez, any other weekend an he'd be the
it.
I'm sorry, but no.
He was in the best car and while is DOTW was very impressive, all he did
in the race was run as was expected.
Perez for certain.
No disrespect to Perez, but he was gifted the win. Russell overtaking
Bottas at the start and all the overtaking after the pitlane cockups got
him DOTD for me.
On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 00:39:59 -0800, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-12-07 12:29 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 20:50:27 -0800, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-12-06 8:03 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
DotD - not a question
More than honorable mention to Perez, any other weekend an he'd be the it.
I'm sorry, but no.
He was in the best car and while is DOTW was very impressive, all he did >>>> in the race was run as was expected.
Did same apply to Bottas?
Yup.
If the team doesn't screw up, then the they most likely finish 1-2
The sigificance of that order seems to escape you completely.
Dex <in@out.me.com> wrote:
On 07/12/2020 04:50, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-12-06 8:03 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
DotD - not a question
More than honorable mention to Perez, any other weekend an he'd be the >>>> it.
I'm sorry, but no.
He was in the best car and while is DOTW was very impressive, all he did >>> in the race was run as was expected.
Perez for certain.
No disrespect to Perez, but he was gifted the win. Russell overtaking
Bottas at the start and all the overtaking after the pitlane cockups got
him DOTD for me.
+1
On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 20:50:27 -0800, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-12-06 8:03 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
DotD - not a question
More than honorable mention to Perez, any other weekend an he'd be the it. >>>
I'm sorry, but no.
He was in the best car and while is DOTW was very impressive, all he did
in the race was run as was expected.
Perez for certain.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/55210939
"The quality of Russell's performance needs a little context, for
those who might be tempted to think it was simply proof that the
Mercedes is the best car and anyone can win in it.
It is the best car, and many drivers could, but that's not really the
point.
Russell had two days to prepare for his drive in the Mercedes. The car
did not fit him. He is five inches (14cm) taller than Hamilton, he had
to wear boots that were one size too small to fit his size 11 feet in
the cockpit and operate the pedals, he needed ice on bruises at the
end of every day in the car, and he was using Hamilton's gear change
and clutch paddles, which were too small for his fingers.
And yet he qualified just 0.026 seconds off Bottas, who has been
driving the car all year, beat the Finn off the line and led the race commandingly until a radio malfunction led to Bottas's front tyres
being fitted to Russell's car at a pit stop under a safety car."
On Monday, 7 December 2020 at 12:26:38 UTC, crms...@gmail.com wrote:
Three seconds is a lot to attribute to "nailing" a switch. Russell must have missed the signal.Virtual Safety carYes - from Motor Sport "The restart cost Russell a further three seconds as Bottas nailed the switch back to racing conditions, cutting the lead down to 5.5sec by lap 60."
It was down to 7.5 (L54) then up to 9 during VSC then down to 5.6 (L56)
on restart.
But such a shame but equally great to see Checo win.
This was Latifi pulling off wasn't it? Created a VSC during an add break so I thought
at the time Russell must have had an "off" as I hadn't spotted it on the live timing
app.
In article <0a09a2cc-b9ec-4d62-a605-6edcdee625ebn@googlegroups.com>, crmstone@gmail.com says...
Stunning by George Russell.
In a car set up/designed for LH's driving style, wrong size car to boot, boots a size too small, hands too big for LH's steering wheel gear and clutch levers and requiring icing on bruising after each session.
And his start was amazing, given the lever sizes, and an even better demonstration at Turn 2 with VB wiggling about and GR sailing serenely on.
What isn't clear is how much he was controlling the gap after the pit stops when VB closed from 8.5 seconds to approx 5?? And what gap he was planning to maintain to the finish??
VB must be really downhearted after this weekend??
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/55210939
Not half as downhearted as Hamilton must be! Russel has finally shown what many have said for a long time - it IS all down to the car.
News <News@group.post> wrote:
On 12/7/2020 11:44 AM, Philip wrote:
In article <0a09a2cc-b9ec-4d62-a605-6edcdee625ebn@googlegroups.com>,
crmstone@gmail.com says...
Stunning by George Russell.
In a car set up/designed for LH's driving style, wrong size car to boot, boots a size too small, hands too big for LH's steering wheel gear and clutch levers and requiring icing on bruising after each session.
And his start was amazing, given the lever sizes, and an even better demonstration at Turn 2 with VB wiggling about and GR sailing serenely on.
What isn't clear is how much he was controlling the gap after the pit stops when VB closed from 8.5 seconds to approx 5?? And what gap he was planning to maintain to the finish??
VB must be really downhearted after this weekend??
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/55210939
Not half as downhearted as Hamilton must be! Russel has finally shown what >>> many have said for a long time - it IS all down to the car.
Bingo.
You must all think Bottas is *really* rubbish!
Stunning by George Russell. In a car set up/designed for LH's driving
style, wrong size car to boot, boots a size too small, hands too big
for LH's steering wheel gear and clutch levers and requiring icing on bruising after each session. And his start was amazing, given the
lever sizes, and an even better demonstration at Turn 2 with VB
wiggling about and GR sailing serenely on. What isn't clear is how
much he was controlling the gap after the pit stops when VB closed
from 8.5 seconds to approx 5?? And what gap he was planning to
maintain to the finish?? VB must be really downhearted after this
weekend?? https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/55210939
On 2020-12-07 9:02 a.m., Mark wrote:
News <News@group.post> wrote:
On 12/7/2020 11:44 AM, Philip wrote:
In article <0a09a2cc-b9ec-4d62-a605-6edcdee625ebn@googlegroups.com>,
crmstone@gmail.com says...
Stunning by George Russell.
In a car set up/designed for LH's driving style, wrong size car to boot, boots a size too small, hands too big for LH's steering wheel gear and clutch levers and requiring icing on bruising after each session.
And his start was amazing, given the lever sizes, and an even better demonstration at Turn 2 with VB wiggling about and GR sailing serenely on.
What isn't clear is how much he was controlling the gap after the pit stops when VB closed from 8.5 seconds to approx 5?? And what gap he was planning to maintain to the finish??
VB must be really downhearted after this weekend??
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/55210939
Not half as downhearted as Hamilton must be! Russel has finally shown what >>>> many have said for a long time - it IS all down to the car.
Bingo.
You must all think Bottas is *really* rubbish!
Nope. He doesn't have to be rubbish to be slower than Hamilton by a very small margin, now does he?
Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-12-07 9:02 a.m., Mark wrote:
News <News@group.post> wrote:
On 12/7/2020 11:44 AM, Philip wrote:
In article <0a09a2cc-b9ec-4d62-a605-6edcdee625ebn@googlegroups.com>, >>>>> crmstone@gmail.com says...
Stunning by George Russell.
In a car set up/designed for LH's driving style, wrong size car to boot, boots a size too small, hands too big for LH's steering wheel gear and clutch levers and requiring icing on bruising after each session.
And his start was amazing, given the lever sizes, and an even better demonstration at Turn 2 with VB wiggling about and GR sailing serenely on.
What isn't clear is how much he was controlling the gap after the pit stops when VB closed from 8.5 seconds to approx 5?? And what gap he was planning to maintain to the finish??
VB must be really downhearted after this weekend??
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/55210939
Not half as downhearted as Hamilton must be! Russel has finally shown what
many have said for a long time - it IS all down to the car.
Bingo.
You must all think Bottas is *really* rubbish!
Nope. He doesn't have to be rubbish to be slower than Hamilton by a very
small margin, now does he?
Consistently. And Hamilton doesn't have to be a *lot* faster, so you
don't know (as we've discussed) what his ultimate pace is. Do we?
On 2020-12-07 9:19 a.m., Mark wrote:
Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
Nope. He doesn't have to be rubbish to be slower than Hamilton by a very >>> small margin, now does he?
Consistently. And Hamilton doesn't have to be a *lot* faster, so you
don't know (as we've discussed) what his ultimate pace is. Do we?
Yes... ...very good.
Being consistently a little bit slower than Hamilton means that Hamilton
is a little better than Bottas.
Very good.
And don't know WHO's ultimate pace?
Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-12-07 9:19 a.m., Mark wrote:
Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
Nope. He doesn't have to be rubbish to be slower than Hamilton by a very >>>> small margin, now does he?
Consistently. And Hamilton doesn't have to be a *lot* faster, so you
don't know (as we've discussed) what his ultimate pace is. Do we?
Yes... ...very good.
Being consistently a little bit slower than Hamilton means that Hamilton
is a little better than Bottas.
Very good.
And don't know WHO's ultimate pace?
You really can't see the difference?
Bottas wants to win (unless you believe he's a ringer).
Therefore, he will push to the limit to catch and pass Hamilton. If
he doesn't manage it (often), it means he's unable to match the pace.
That *does* tell you about the ultimate pace of Bottas...but nothing
about the ultimate pace of Hamilton. He often pulls out the additional
.1s in quali or the race when he absolutely needs it, which suggests
he's not right at the limit of what he can do.
To use the famous quote of Prost:
"I think maybe the English don't want to try something and look
stupid, because they are a bit reserved. Without going to what I
think is my limit. I always say that my ideal is to get pole
with the minimum effort, and to win the race at the slowest
speed possible. When I test I never go right to the limit."
There is no point in stressing your car or yourself if you can win with
less pace.
Can you *still* not see the difference?
On 2020-12-07 9:31 a.m., Mark wrote:
Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-12-07 9:19 a.m., Mark wrote:
Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
Nope. He doesn't have to be rubbish to be slower than Hamilton by a very >>>>> small margin, now does he?
Consistently. And Hamilton doesn't have to be a *lot* faster, so you
don't know (as we've discussed) what his ultimate pace is. Do we?
Yes... ...very good.
Being consistently a little bit slower than Hamilton means that Hamilton >>> is a little better than Bottas.
Very good.
And don't know WHO's ultimate pace?
You really can't see the difference?
The difference between what and what?
Bottas wants to win (unless you believe he's a ringer).
I agree.
Therefore, he will push to the limit to catch and pass Hamilton. If
Yup. He will push. Guess what: two evenly matched cars which are acknowledged not to do well in dirty air means that such efforts will
mostly fail.
he doesn't manage it (often), it means he's unable to match the pace.
That *does* tell you about the ultimate pace of Bottas...but nothing
about the ultimate pace of Hamilton. He often pulls out the additional
Which is why I look at quali times, right.
.1s in quali or the race when he absolutely needs it, which suggests
he's not right at the limit of what he can do.
Complete bullshit. You think he holds back in qualifying, because he's certain that he won't need the extra tenths that you think he's still
got in the bag?
To use the famous quote of Prost:
"I think maybe the English don't want to try something and look
stupid, because they are a bit reserved. Without going to what I
think is my limit. I always say that my ideal is to get pole
with the minimum effort, and to win the race at the slowest
speed possible. When I test I never go right to the limit."
"When I TEST:":.
There is no point in stressing your car or yourself if you can win with
less pace.
Can you *still* not see the difference?
I can see that you're assuming such a difference exists.
If Hamilton is hold backing so much in qualifying...
...why has Bottas taken 4 pole positions when competing against Hamilton this year?
Did Hamilton just forget to unleash his magic extra tenths?
On 2020-12-07 5:34 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 20:50:27 -0800, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-12-06 8:03 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
DotD - not a question
More than honorable mention to Perez, any other weekend an he'd be the it. >>>>
I'm sorry, but no.
He was in the best car and while is DOTW was very impressive, all he did >>> in the race was run as was expected.
Perez for certain.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/55210939
"The quality of Russell's performance needs a little context, for
those who might be tempted to think it was simply proof that the
Mercedes is the best car and anyone can win in it.
It is the best car, and many drivers could, but that's not really the
point.
Russell had two days to prepare for his drive in the Mercedes. The car
did not fit him. He is five inches (14cm) taller than Hamilton, he had
to wear boots that were one size too small to fit his size 11 feet in
the cockpit and operate the pedals, he needed ice on bruises at the
end of every day in the car, and he was using Hamilton's gear change
and clutch paddles, which were too small for his fingers.
And yet he qualified just 0.026 seconds off Bottas, who has been
driving the car all year, beat the Finn off the line and led the race
commandingly until a radio malfunction led to Bottas's front tyres
being fitted to Russell's car at a pit stop under a safety car."
That makes it DotW (Drive of the Weekend)...
...and I would definitely give THAT to Russell.
:-)
On 2020-12-07 3:35 a.m., crms...@gmail.com wrote:
Stunning by George Russell. In a car set up/designed for LH's driving
style, wrong size car to boot, boots a size too small, hands too big
for LH's steering wheel gear and clutch levers and requiring icing on
bruising after each session. And his start was amazing, given the
lever sizes, and an even better demonstration at Turn 2 with VB
wiggling about and GR sailing serenely on. What isn't clear is how
much he was controlling the gap after the pit stops when VB closed
from 8.5 seconds to approx 5?? And what gap he was planning to
maintain to the finish?? VB must be really downhearted after this
weekend?? https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/55210939
Since you don't know how Russell might want a car set up for him, how
can you possibly assume that a car set up for Hamilton was a detriment?
Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-12-07 9:31 a.m., Mark wrote:
Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-12-07 9:19 a.m., Mark wrote:
Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
Nope. He doesn't have to be rubbish to be slower than Hamilton by a very >>>>>> small margin, now does he?
Consistently. And Hamilton doesn't have to be a *lot* faster, so you >>>>> don't know (as we've discussed) what his ultimate pace is. Do we?
Yes... ...very good.
Being consistently a little bit slower than Hamilton means that Hamilton >>>> is a little better than Bottas.
Very good.
And don't know WHO's ultimate pace?
You really can't see the difference?
The difference between what and what?
The difference between what the pace on track means when you are coming
in second as opposed to your pace when you're regularly first.
Especially in qualifying.
Bottas wants to win (unless you believe he's a ringer).
I agree.
Therefore, he will push to the limit to catch and pass Hamilton. If
Yup. He will push. Guess what: two evenly matched cars which are
acknowledged not to do well in dirty air means that such efforts will
mostly fail.
In the race, perhaps...but how does that explain qualifying?
he doesn't manage it (often), it means he's unable to match the pace.
That *does* tell you about the ultimate pace of Bottas...but nothing
about the ultimate pace of Hamilton. He often pulls out the additional
Which is why I look at quali times, right.
Okay.
.1s in quali or the race when he absolutely needs it, which suggests
he's not right at the limit of what he can do.
Complete bullshit. You think he holds back in qualifying, because he's
certain that he won't need the extra tenths that you think he's still
got in the bag?
I think there are tracks where he is at his limit, and others where he
knows he has Bottas beaten. My point is not that he doesn't, but that
you can't *know* when he's at his limit. When you're losing out to your teammate again and again, a racer can't hold anything back. Therefore
you can make some assumptions about Bottas's limits, but you can't be
sure about Hamilton's.
See what I mean?
To use the famous quote of Prost:
"I think maybe the English don't want to try something and look
stupid, because they are a bit reserved. Without going to what I
think is my limit. I always say that my ideal is to get pole
with the minimum effort, and to win the race at the slowest
speed possible. When I test I never go right to the limit."
"When I TEST:":.
"to win the race at the slowest speed possible"
There is no point in stressing your car or yourself if you can win with
less pace.
Can you *still* not see the difference?
I can see that you're assuming such a difference exists.
Yes.
If Hamilton is hold backing so much in qualifying...
...why has Bottas taken 4 pole positions when competing against Hamilton
this year?
Did Hamilton just forget to unleash his magic extra tenths?
Sometimes, he just doesn't have the pace. Most of the time he does.
On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 09:11:26 -0800, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-12-07 5:34 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 20:50:27 -0800, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-12-06 8:03 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
DotD - not a question
More than honorable mention to Perez, any other weekend an he'd be the it.
I'm sorry, but no.
He was in the best car and while is DOTW was very impressive, all he did >>>> in the race was run as was expected.
Perez for certain.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/55210939
"The quality of Russell's performance needs a little context, for
those who might be tempted to think it was simply proof that the
Mercedes is the best car and anyone can win in it.
It is the best car, and many drivers could, but that's not really the
point.
Russell had two days to prepare for his drive in the Mercedes. The car
did not fit him. He is five inches (14cm) taller than Hamilton, he had
to wear boots that were one size too small to fit his size 11 feet in
the cockpit and operate the pedals, he needed ice on bruises at the
end of every day in the car, and he was using Hamilton's gear change
and clutch paddles, which were too small for his fingers.
And yet he qualified just 0.026 seconds off Bottas, who has been
driving the car all year, beat the Finn off the line and led the race
commandingly until a radio malfunction led to Bottas's front tyres
being fitted to Russell's car at a pit stop under a safety car."
That makes it DotW (Drive of the Weekend)...
...and I would definitely give THAT to Russell.
:-)
So DotW but not DotD - fairly typical Baker logic.
On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 09:14:35 -0800, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-12-07 3:35 a.m., crms...@gmail.com wrote:
Stunning by George Russell. In a car set up/designed for LH's driving
style, wrong size car to boot, boots a size too small, hands too big
for LH's steering wheel gear and clutch levers and requiring icing on
bruising after each session. And his start was amazing, given the
lever sizes, and an even better demonstration at Turn 2 with VB
wiggling about and GR sailing serenely on. What isn't clear is how
much he was controlling the gap after the pit stops when VB closed
from 8.5 seconds to approx 5?? And what gap he was planning to
maintain to the finish?? VB must be really downhearted after this
weekend?? https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/55210939
Since you don't know how Russell might want a car set up for him, how
can you possibly assume that a car set up for Hamilton was a detriment?
FFS, "He is five inches (14cm) taller than Hamilton, he had
to wear boots that were one size too small to fit his size 11 feet in
the cockpit and operate the pedals, he needed ice on bruises at the
end of every day in the car, and he was using Hamilton's gear change
and clutch paddles, which were too small for his fingers."
Only *you* could try to make out that that is not a detriment.
On 2020-12-07 10:06 a.m., Mark wrote:
Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-12-07 9:31 a.m., Mark wrote:
Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-12-07 9:19 a.m., Mark wrote:
Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
Nope. He doesn't have to be rubbish to be slower than Hamilton by a very
small margin, now does he?
Consistently. And Hamilton doesn't have to be a *lot* faster, so you >>>>>> don't know (as we've discussed) what his ultimate pace is. Do we?
Yes... ...very good.
Being consistently a little bit slower than Hamilton means that Hamilton >>>>> is a little better than Bottas.
Very good.
And don't know WHO's ultimate pace?
You really can't see the difference?
The difference between what and what?
The difference between what the pace on track means when you are coming
in second as opposed to your pace when you're regularly first.
Especially in qualifying.
Wow. You still wrote that. Amazing. ;-)
Bottas wants to win (unless you believe he's a ringer).
I agree.
Therefore, he will push to the limit to catch and pass Hamilton. If
Yup. He will push. Guess what: two evenly matched cars which are
acknowledged not to do well in dirty air means that such efforts will
mostly fail.
In the race, perhaps...but how does that explain qualifying?
Where the difference between is pretty much always minuscule...
...where Bottas has taken pole 4 times out of 15?
he doesn't manage it (often), it means he's unable to match the pace.Which is why I look at quali times, right.
That *does* tell you about the ultimate pace of Bottas...but nothing
about the ultimate pace of Hamilton. He often pulls out the additional >>>
Okay.
.1s in quali or the race when he absolutely needs it, which suggests
he's not right at the limit of what he can do.
Complete bullshit. You think he holds back in qualifying, because he's
certain that he won't need the extra tenths that you think he's still
got in the bag?
I think there are tracks where he is at his limit, and others where he
knows he has Bottas beaten. My point is not that he doesn't, but that
you can't *know* when he's at his limit. When you're losing out to your
teammate again and again, a racer can't hold anything back. Therefore
you can make some assumptions about Bottas's limits, but you can't be
sure about Hamilton's.
See what I mean?
I see that your argument is completely circular.
What is the largest differential between Hamilton and Bottas in
qualifying this year?
It was the Styrian GP, where Bottas had a major screw up on his last run
on a wet track.
Aside from that, it has been just tenths. Put into percentages, Hamilton
has been at best about half a percent quicker than Bottas.
With that kind of margin, if you think he's holding back in qualifying,
you are fully deluded about racing and racing drivers.
You have another driver in the same car as you drive...
...and you know he has beaten you in qualifying...
...more than one time in four...
...and you think he's holding back?
To use the famous quote of Prost:
"I think maybe the English don't want to try something and look >>>> stupid, because they are a bit reserved. Without going to what I >>>> think is my limit. I always say that my ideal is to get pole
with the minimum effort, and to win the race at the slowest
speed possible. When I test I never go right to the limit."
"When I TEST:":.
"to win the race at the slowest speed possible"
Yes: "the RACE".
There is no point in stressing your car or yourself if you can win with >>>> less pace.
Can you *still* not see the difference?
I can see that you're assuming such a difference exists.
Yes.
If Hamilton is hold backing so much in qualifying...
...why has Bottas taken 4 pole positions when competing against Hamilton >>> this year?
Did Hamilton just forget to unleash his magic extra tenths?
Sometimes, he just doesn't have the pace. Most of the time he does.
And he's so far ahead of a driver he knows has beat him in qualifying
more than 25% of the time that he holds back?
Listen to yourself.
On 2020-12-07 10:27 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 09:14:35 -0800, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-12-07 3:35 a.m., crms...@gmail.com wrote:
Stunning by George Russell. In a car set up/designed for LH's driving
style, wrong size car to boot, boots a size too small, hands too big
for LH's steering wheel gear and clutch levers and requiring icing on
bruising after each session. And his start was amazing, given the
lever sizes, and an even better demonstration at Turn 2 with VB
wiggling about and GR sailing serenely on. What isn't clear is how
much he was controlling the gap after the pit stops when VB closed
from 8.5 seconds to approx 5?? And what gap he was planning to
maintain to the finish?? VB must be really downhearted after this
weekend?? https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/55210939
Since you don't know how Russell might want a car set up for him, how
can you possibly assume that a car set up for Hamilton was a detriment?
FFS, "He is five inches (14cm) taller than Hamilton, he had
to wear boots that were one size too small to fit his size 11 feet in
the cockpit and operate the pedals, he needed ice on bruises at the
end of every day in the car, and he was using Hamilton's gear change
and clutch paddles, which were too small for his fingers."
Only *you* could try to make out that that is not a detriment.
I didn't say THAT wasn't a detriment. Can't you read?
'In a car set up/designed for LH's driving STYLE'.
And I'll tell you a little secret:
I get bruises every race weekend. So does pretty much every driver of a >tube-frame open wheel car.
It doesn't affect how I drive at all, and I don't even feel it happening
in the car.
On 2020-12-07 10:21 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 09:11:26 -0800, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-12-07 5:34 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 20:50:27 -0800, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-12-06 8:03 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
DotD - not a question
More than honorable mention to Perez, any other weekend an he'd be the it.
I'm sorry, but no.
He was in the best car and while is DOTW was very impressive, all he did >>>>> in the race was run as was expected.
Perez for certain.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/55210939
"The quality of Russell's performance needs a little context, for
those who might be tempted to think it was simply proof that the
Mercedes is the best car and anyone can win in it.
It is the best car, and many drivers could, but that's not really the
point.
Russell had two days to prepare for his drive in the Mercedes. The car >>>> did not fit him. He is five inches (14cm) taller than Hamilton, he had >>>> to wear boots that were one size too small to fit his size 11 feet in
the cockpit and operate the pedals, he needed ice on bruises at the
end of every day in the car, and he was using Hamilton's gear change
and clutch paddles, which were too small for his fingers.
And yet he qualified just 0.026 seconds off Bottas, who has been
driving the car all year, beat the Finn off the line and led the race
commandingly until a radio malfunction led to Bottas's front tyres
being fitted to Russell's car at a pit stop under a safety car."
That makes it DotW (Drive of the Weekend)...
...and I would definitely give THAT to Russell.
:-)
So DotW but not DotD - fairly typical Baker logic.
What is wrong with that logic?
The two are distinctly different.
On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 10:36:02 -0800, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-12-07 10:21 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 09:11:26 -0800, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-12-07 5:34 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 20:50:27 -0800, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-12-06 8:03 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
DotD - not a question
More than honorable mention to Perez, any other weekend an he'd be the it.
I'm sorry, but no.
He was in the best car and while is DOTW was very impressive, all he did >>>>>> in the race was run as was expected.
Perez for certain.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/55210939
"The quality of Russell's performance needs a little context, for
those who might be tempted to think it was simply proof that the
Mercedes is the best car and anyone can win in it.
It is the best car, and many drivers could, but that's not really the >>>>> point.
Russell had two days to prepare for his drive in the Mercedes. The car >>>>> did not fit him. He is five inches (14cm) taller than Hamilton, he had >>>>> to wear boots that were one size too small to fit his size 11 feet in >>>>> the cockpit and operate the pedals, he needed ice on bruises at the
end of every day in the car, and he was using Hamilton's gear change >>>>> and clutch paddles, which were too small for his fingers.
And yet he qualified just 0.026 seconds off Bottas, who has been
driving the car all year, beat the Finn off the line and led the race >>>>> commandingly until a radio malfunction led to Bottas's front tyres
being fitted to Russell's car at a pit stop under a safety car."
That makes it DotW (Drive of the Weekend)...
...and I would definitely give THAT to Russell.
:-)
So DotW but not DotD - fairly typical Baker logic.
What is wrong with that logic?
The two are distinctly different.
Yes, in Bakerland where normal rules of logic go out the window.
On Monday, 7 December 2020 at 12:26:38 UTC, crms...@gmail.com wrote:
Virtual Safety car
It was down to 7.5 (L54) then up to 9 during VSC then down to 5.6Yes - from Motor Sport "The restart cost Russell a further three
(L56) on restart.
seconds as Bottas nailed the switch back to racing conditions,
cutting the lead down to 5.5sec by lap 60."
But such a shame but equally great to see Checo win.Three seconds is a lot to attribute to "nailing" a switch. Russell
must have missed the signal.
As I said earlier, you seem to think your driving is on a par with F1.
Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-12-07 10:06 a.m., Mark wrote:
Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-12-07 9:31 a.m., Mark wrote:
Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-12-07 9:19 a.m., Mark wrote:
Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:Yes... ...very good.
Nope. He doesn't have to be rubbish to be slower than Hamilton by a very
small margin, now does he?
Consistently. And Hamilton doesn't have to be a *lot* faster, so you >>>>>>> don't know (as we've discussed) what his ultimate pace is. Do we? >>>>>>
Being consistently a little bit slower than Hamilton means that Hamilton >>>>>> is a little better than Bottas.
Very good.
And don't know WHO's ultimate pace?
You really can't see the difference?
The difference between what and what?
The difference between what the pace on track means when you are coming
in second as opposed to your pace when you're regularly first.
Especially in qualifying.
Wow. You still wrote that. Amazing. ;-)
PKB.
Anyway, I'll respond this one time. I'll play it straight but I will
note here that you are not actually addressing my point and explicitly restate it at the end.
Bottas wants to win (unless you believe he's a ringer).
I agree.
Therefore, he will push to the limit to catch and pass Hamilton. If
Yup. He will push. Guess what: two evenly matched cars which are
acknowledged not to do well in dirty air means that such efforts will
mostly fail.
In the race, perhaps...but how does that explain qualifying?
Where the difference between is pretty much always minuscule...
...where Bottas has taken pole 4 times out of 15?
Yes. 4 is much smaller than 10 you know.
he doesn't manage it (often), it means he's unable to match the pace. >>>>> That *does* tell you about the ultimate pace of Bottas...but nothing >>>>> about the ultimate pace of Hamilton. He often pulls out the additional >>>>Which is why I look at quali times, right.
Okay.
.1s in quali or the race when he absolutely needs it, which suggests >>>>> he's not right at the limit of what he can do.
Complete bullshit. You think he holds back in qualifying, because he's >>>> certain that he won't need the extra tenths that you think he's still
got in the bag?
I think there are tracks where he is at his limit, and others where he
knows he has Bottas beaten. My point is not that he doesn't, but that
you can't *know* when he's at his limit. When you're losing out to your >>> teammate again and again, a racer can't hold anything back. Therefore
you can make some assumptions about Bottas's limits, but you can't be
sure about Hamilton's.
See what I mean?
I see that your argument is completely circular.
What is the largest differential between Hamilton and Bottas in
qualifying this year?
It was the Styrian GP, where Bottas had a major screw up on his last run
on a wet track.
And?
Aside from that, it has been just tenths. Put into percentages, Hamilton
has been at best about half a percent quicker than Bottas.
And?
With that kind of margin, if you think he's holding back in qualifying,
you are fully deluded about racing and racing drivers.
You have another driver in the same car as you drive...
...and you know he has beaten you in qualifying...
...more than one time in four...
...and you think he's holding back?
These things are relative. When you believe you have the edge, you
don't take the risks on the kerbs or take quite the same risk. Yes, I believe that on those tracks where he feels very confident and where he
feels that the telemetry and the FP sessions overall suggest that he
will get the pole, he won't push quite as hard as where he thinks Bottas
has the edge on him. These things are relative, as pushing just a
little *too* hard can spell disaster.
As you should know.
If you think that every driver goes right to the edge at every
possibility, I think you're the deluded one. You have to keep your
powder dry at times...
To use the famous quote of Prost:"When I TEST:":.
"I think maybe the English don't want to try something and look >>>>> stupid, because they are a bit reserved. Without going to what I >>>>> think is my limit. I always say that my ideal is to get pole >>>>> with the minimum effort, and to win the race at the slowest
speed possible. When I test I never go right to the limit." >>>>
"to win the race at the slowest speed possible"
Yes: "the RACE".
Okay: "my ideal is to get pole with the minimum effort".
What's your point?
There is no point in stressing your car or yourself if you can win with >>>>> less pace.
Can you *still* not see the difference?
I can see that you're assuming such a difference exists.
Yes.
If Hamilton is hold backing so much in qualifying...
...why has Bottas taken 4 pole positions when competing against Hamilton >>>> this year?
Did Hamilton just forget to unleash his magic extra tenths?
Sometimes, he just doesn't have the pace. Most of the time he does.
And he's so far ahead of a driver he knows has beat him in qualifying
more than 25% of the time that he holds back?
Listen to yourself.
You're talking as though every track and every situation is exactly the
same. I'm suggesting that there are *times* he needn't put the 100% and 99.9% or even 99% is enough. When you don't think you're going to get
pole or the win, you go (as far as you can) for 100%.
So...my point (if you were actually listening) was that the person who
is second is very likely to be giving it 100%, but it's hard to know if
the person leading is. You can't extrapolate from one to the other.
On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 10:38:24 -0800, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-12-07 10:27 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 09:14:35 -0800, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-12-07 3:35 a.m., crms...@gmail.com wrote:
Stunning by George Russell. In a car set up/designed for LH's driving >>>>> style, wrong size car to boot, boots a size too small, hands too big >>>>> for LH's steering wheel gear and clutch levers and requiring icing on >>>>> bruising after each session. And his start was amazing, given the
lever sizes, and an even better demonstration at Turn 2 with VB
wiggling about and GR sailing serenely on. What isn't clear is how
much he was controlling the gap after the pit stops when VB closed
from 8.5 seconds to approx 5?? And what gap he was planning to
maintain to the finish?? VB must be really downhearted after this
weekend?? https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/55210939
Since you don't know how Russell might want a car set up for him, how
can you possibly assume that a car set up for Hamilton was a detriment? >>>
FFS, "He is five inches (14cm) taller than Hamilton, he had
to wear boots that were one size too small to fit his size 11 feet in
the cockpit and operate the pedals, he needed ice on bruises at the
end of every day in the car, and he was using Hamilton's gear change
and clutch paddles, which were too small for his fingers."
Only *you* could try to make out that that is not a detriment.
I didn't say THAT wasn't a detriment. Can't you read?
'In a car set up/designed for LH's driving STYLE'.
And I'll tell you a little secret:
I get bruises every race weekend. So does pretty much every driver of a
tube-frame open wheel car.
It doesn't affect how I drive at all, and I don't even feel it happening
in the car.
As I said earlier, you seem to think your driving is on a par with F1.
Matt Larkin wrote:
On Monday, 7 December 2020 at 12:26:38 UTC, crms...@gmail.com wrote:
Three seconds is a lot to attribute to "nailing" a switch. RussellVirtual Safety carYes - from Motor Sport "The restart cost Russell a further three
It was down to 7.5 (L54) then up to 9 during VSC then down to 5.6
(L56) on restart.
seconds as Bottas nailed the switch back to racing conditions,
cutting the lead down to 5.5sec by lap 60."
But such a shame but equally great to see Checo win.
must have missed the signal.
3 seconds is a misrepresentation. The gaps naturally widen under the
safety car.
The gap just before the VSC was 7.3 just after it was 6.4 so George did
lose some time under the VSC but not that much. However he also lost
nearly another 8 tenths in the second sector of lap56 which was the
first full sector after the VSC. So he was slower to get back on the
pace.
IOW reaction time did not play a big part.
Martin Harran wrote:
As I said earlier, you seem to think your driving is on a par with F1.
The boy put up a shelf once; now he thinks he knows more than anybody
else about building a house.
Martin Harran wrote:
As I said earlier, you seem to think your driving is on a par with F1.
The boy put up a shelf once; now he thinks he knows more than anybody
else about building a house.
On 2020-12-07 11:35 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 10:36:02 -0800, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-12-07 10:21 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 09:11:26 -0800, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-12-07 5:34 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 20:50:27 -0800, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-12-06 8:03 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
DotD - not a question
More than honorable mention to Perez, any other weekend an he'd be the it.
I'm sorry, but no.
He was in the best car and while is DOTW was very impressive, all he did
in the race was run as was expected.
Perez for certain.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/55210939
"The quality of Russell's performance needs a little context, for
those who might be tempted to think it was simply proof that the
Mercedes is the best car and anyone can win in it.
It is the best car, and many drivers could, but that's not really the >>>>>> point.
Russell had two days to prepare for his drive in the Mercedes. The car >>>>>> did not fit him. He is five inches (14cm) taller than Hamilton, he had >>>>>> to wear boots that were one size too small to fit his size 11 feet in >>>>>> the cockpit and operate the pedals, he needed ice on bruises at the >>>>>> end of every day in the car, and he was using Hamilton's gear change >>>>>> and clutch paddles, which were too small for his fingers.
And yet he qualified just 0.026 seconds off Bottas, who has been
driving the car all year, beat the Finn off the line and led the race >>>>>> commandingly until a radio malfunction led to Bottas's front tyres >>>>>> being fitted to Russell's car at a pit stop under a safety car."
That makes it DotW (Drive of the Weekend)...
...and I would definitely give THAT to Russell.
:-)
So DotW but not DotD - fairly typical Baker logic.
What is wrong with that logic?
The two are distinctly different.
Yes, in Bakerland where normal rules of logic go out the window.
I notice you can't actually articulate a rebuttal...
On 07/12/2020 04:50, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-12-06 8:03 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
DotD - not a question
More than honorable mention to Perez, any other weekend an he'd be the
it.
I'm sorry, but no.
He was in the best car and while is DOTW was very impressive, all he did
in the race was run as was expected.
Perez for certain.
No disrespect to Perez, but he was gifted the win. Russell overtaking
Bottas at the start and all the overtaking after the pitlane cockups got
him DOTD for me.
News <News@group.post> wrote:
On 12/7/2020 11:44 AM, Philip wrote:
In article <0a09a2cc-b9ec-4d62-a605-6edcdee625ebn@googlegroups.com>,
crmstone@gmail.com says...
Stunning by George Russell.
In a car set up/designed for LH's driving style, wrong size car to boot, boots a size too small, hands too big for LH's steering wheel gear and clutch levers and requiring icing on bruising after each session.
And his start was amazing, given the lever sizes, and an even better demonstration at Turn 2 with VB wiggling about and GR sailing serenely on.
What isn't clear is how much he was controlling the gap after the pit stops when VB closed from 8.5 seconds to approx 5?? And what gap he was planning to maintain to the finish??
VB must be really downhearted after this weekend??
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/55210939
Not half as downhearted as Hamilton must be! Russel has finally shown what >>> many have said for a long time - it IS all down to the car.
Bingo.
You must all think Bottas is *really* rubbish!
In article <0a09a2cc-b9ec-4d62-a605-6edcdee625ebn@googlegroups.com>, crmstone@gmail.com says...
Stunning by George Russell.
In a car set up/designed for LH's driving style, wrong size car to boot, boots a size too small, hands too big for LH's steering wheel gear and clutch levers and requiring icing on bruising after each session.
And his start was amazing, given the lever sizes, and an even better demonstration at Turn 2 with VB wiggling about and GR sailing serenely on.
What isn't clear is how much he was controlling the gap after the pit stops when VB closed from 8.5 seconds to approx 5?? And what gap he was planning to maintain to the finish??
VB must be really downhearted after this weekend??
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/55210939
Not half as downhearted as Hamilton must be! Russel has finally shown what many have said for a long time - it IS all down to the car.
On 2020-12-07 8:44 a.m., Philip wrote:
In article <0a09a2cc-b9ec-4d62-a605-6edcdee625ebn@googlegroups.com>,
crmstone@gmail.com says...
Stunning by George Russell.
In a car set up/designed for LH's driving style, wrong size car to
boot, boots a size too small, hands too big for LH's steering wheel
gear and clutch levers and requiring icing on bruising after each
session.
And his start was amazing, given the lever sizes, and an even better
demonstration at Turn 2 with VB wiggling about and GR sailing
serenely on.
What isn't clear is how much he was controlling the gap after the pit
stops when VB closed from 8.5 seconds to-a approx 5??-a And what gap he >>> was planning to maintain to the finish??
VB must be really downhearted after this weekend??
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/55210939
Not half as downhearted as Hamilton must be! Russel has finally shown
what
many have said for a long time - it IS all down to the car.
Pretty much.
Does anyone here want to state unequivocally that Hamilton could beat Russell... ...if Russell were actually given a Mercedes that fit him?
:-)
Dex <in@out.me.com> wrote:
On 07/12/2020 04:50, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-12-06 8:03 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
DotD - not a question
More than honorable mention to Perez, any other weekend an he'd be the >>>> it.
I'm sorry, but no.
He was in the best car and while is DOTW was very impressive, all he did >>> in the race was run as was expected.
Perez for certain.
No disrespect to Perez, but he was gifted the win. Russell overtaking
Bottas at the start and all the overtaking after the pitlane cockups got
him DOTD for me.
+1
On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 20:50:27 -0800, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-12-06 8:03 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
DotD - not a question
More than honorable mention to Perez, any other weekend an he'd be the it. >>>
I'm sorry, but no.
He was in the best car and while is DOTW was very impressive, all he did
in the race was run as was expected.
Perez for certain.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/55210939
"The quality of Russell's performance needs a little context, for
those who might be tempted to think it was simply proof that the
Mercedes is the best car and anyone can win in it.
It is the best car, and many drivers could, but that's not really the
point.
Russell had two days to prepare for his drive in the Mercedes. The car
did not fit him. He is five inches (14cm) taller than Hamilton, he had
to wear boots that were one size too small to fit his size 11 feet in
the cockpit and operate the pedals, he needed ice on bruises at the
end of every day in the car, and he was using Hamilton's gear change
and clutch paddles, which were too small for his fingers.
And yet he qualified just 0.026 seconds off Bottas, who has been
driving the car all year, beat the Finn off the line and led the race commandingly until a radio malfunction led to Bottas's front tyres
being fitted to Russell's car at a pit stop under a safety car."
FFS, "He is five inches (14cm) taller than Hamilton, he had
to wear boots that were one size too small to fit his size 11 feet in
the cockpit and operate the pedals, he needed ice on bruises at the
end of every day in the car, and he was using Hamilton's gear change
and clutch paddles, which were too small for his fingers."
Only *you* could try to make out that that is not a detriment.
On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 12:28:53 -0800, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-12-07 11:35 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 10:36:02 -0800, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-12-07 10:21 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 09:11:26 -0800, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-12-07 5:34 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 20:50:27 -0800, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-12-06 8:03 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
DotD - not a question
More than honorable mention to Perez, any other weekend an he'd be the it.
I'm sorry, but no.
He was in the best car and while is DOTW was very impressive, all he did
in the race was run as was expected.
Perez for certain.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/55210939
"The quality of Russell's performance needs a little context, for >>>>>>> those who might be tempted to think it was simply proof that the >>>>>>> Mercedes is the best car and anyone can win in it.
It is the best car, and many drivers could, but that's not really the >>>>>>> point.
Russell had two days to prepare for his drive in the Mercedes. The car >>>>>>> did not fit him. He is five inches (14cm) taller than Hamilton, he had >>>>>>> to wear boots that were one size too small to fit his size 11 feet in >>>>>>> the cockpit and operate the pedals, he needed ice on bruises at the >>>>>>> end of every day in the car, and he was using Hamilton's gear change >>>>>>> and clutch paddles, which were too small for his fingers.
And yet he qualified just 0.026 seconds off Bottas, who has been >>>>>>> driving the car all year, beat the Finn off the line and led the race >>>>>>> commandingly until a radio malfunction led to Bottas's front tyres >>>>>>> being fitted to Russell's car at a pit stop under a safety car." >>>>>>>
That makes it DotW (Drive of the Weekend)...
...and I would definitely give THAT to Russell.
:-)
So DotW but not DotD - fairly typical Baker logic.
What is wrong with that logic?
The two are distinctly different.
Yes, in Bakerland where normal rules of logic go out the window.
I notice you can't actually articulate a rebuttal...
I'll settle for "Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to
his level and beat you with experience."
On 8/12/2020 6:12 am, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-12-07 8:44 a.m., Philip wrote:
In article <0a09a2cc-b9ec-4d62-a605-6edcdee625ebn@googlegroups.com>,
crmstone@gmail.com says...
Stunning by George Russell.
In a car set up/designed for LH's driving style, wrong size car to
boot, boots a size too small, hands too big for LH's steering wheel
gear and clutch levers and requiring icing on bruising after each
session.
And his start was amazing, given the lever sizes, and an even better
demonstration at Turn 2 with VB wiggling about and GR sailing
serenely on.
What isn't clear is how much he was controlling the gap after the
pit stops when VB closed from 8.5 seconds to-a approx 5??-a And what
gap he was planning to maintain to the finish??
VB must be really downhearted after this weekend??
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/55210939
Not half as downhearted as Hamilton must be! Russel has finally shown
what
many have said for a long time - it IS all down to the car.
Pretty much.
Does anyone here want to state unequivocally that Hamilton could beat
Russell... ...if Russell were actually given a Mercedes that fit him?
:-)
Certainly not you, that's for sure.
On Monday, 7 December 2020 at 12:26:38 UTC, crms...@gmail.com wrote:
Three seconds is a lot to attribute to "nailing" a switch. Russell must have missed the signal.Virtual Safety carYes - from Motor Sport "The restart cost Russell a further three seconds as Bottas nailed the switch back to racing conditions, cutting the lead down to 5.5sec by lap 60."
It was down to 7.5 (L54) then up to 9 during VSC then down to 5.6 (L56)
on restart.
But such a shame but equally great to see Checo win.
This was Latifi pulling off wasn't it? Created a VSC during an add break so I thought
at the time Russell must have had an "off" as I hadn't spotted it on the live timing
app.
On 8/12/2020 3:59 am, Matt Larkin wrote:
On Monday, 7 December 2020 at 12:26:38 UTC, crms...@gmail.com wrote:
Three seconds is a lot to attribute to "nailing" a switch.-a RussellVirtual Safety carYes - from Motor Sport "The restart cost Russell a further three
It was down to 7.5 (L54) then up to 9 during VSC then down to 5.6 (L56) >>>> on restart.
seconds as Bottas nailed the switch back to racing conditions,
cutting the lead down to 5.5sec by lap 60."
But such a shame but equally great to see Checo win.
must have
missed the signal.
This was Latifi pulling off wasn't it?-a Created a VSC during an add
break so I thought
at the time Russell must have had an "off" as I hadn't spotted it on
the live timing
app.
Russell didn't have an off.
Where a car is on track at the end of a safety car period makes a huge difference to them. If you're at the start of a straight you floor it.
If you're just entering a slow speed corner / chicane you can't do that
and it can take seconds until you're back up to racing speed.
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