• At what point does the number of GPs become pointless?

    From bra@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Dec 18 15:19:22 2020
    Formula OnerCOs longest season has been confirmed by the FIA World Motor Sport Council for 2021. The calendar, consisting of 23 races, is scheduled to run from 21 March in Melbourne until 5 December in Abu Dhabi, with the British Grand Prix to be held on 18 July at Silverstone.
    Yes, I know the imminent purpose is to increase profits. But after how many races may we reasonably declare a driver to have demonstrated a consistent superiority?
    I remember hearing a frustrated David Coulthard in 2010 being asked when and where "the next GP was" and he growled "I haven't a *** clue", suppressing the adjective. That was when the calendar had four fewer races.
    Most fans believed that Jim Clark had satisfactorily shown he was world champion when he won the 10th and final GP in 1963 and again in 1965.
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  • From Falscher Bruce@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Dec 18 19:16:55 2020
    On Saturday, December 19, 2020 at 7:19:24 AM UTC+8, bra wrote:
    Formula OnerCOs longest season has been confirmed by the FIA World Motor Sport Council for 2021. The calendar, consisting of 23 races, is scheduled to run from 21 March in Melbourne until 5 December in Abu Dhabi, with the British Grand Prix to be held on 18 July at Silverstone.
    looks like 3 are not definite, but 23 is a lot
    If Hamilton wins title after say 16 races, that's a lot of dead rubbers
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  • From Sir Tim@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Dec 19 08:18:41 2020
    Falscher Bruce <bruce56@topmail.co.nz> wrote:
    On Saturday, December 19, 2020 at 7:19:24 AM UTC+8, bra wrote:
    Formula OnerCOs longest season has been confirmed by the FIA World Motor
    Sport Council for 2021. The calendar, consisting of 23 races, is
    scheduled to run from 21 March in Melbourne until 5 December in Abu
    Dhabi, with the British Grand Prix to be held on 18 July at Silverstone.

    looks like 3 are not definite, but 23 is a lot
    If Hamilton wins title after say 16 races, that's a lot of dead rubbers


    Which begs the question: would some form of playoff, similar to The Chase
    in NASCAR, be a good idea?

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    Sir Tim
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  • From Brian Lawrence@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Dec 19 08:23:43 2020
    On 18/12/2020 23:19, bra wrote:

    Formula OnerCOs longest season has been confirmed by the FIA World Motor Sport Council for 2021.

    I find it annoying that the media keep saying that it will be 'the
    longest season', when what it will be is the one with most races.

    As scheduled the 2021 season will last 259 days. The longest F1 season
    was 1968 which lasted 307 days, from South Africa (Jan 1) to Mexico
    (Nov 3).

    Another 11 seasons also lasted longer than 259 days - 1954 (280),
    58 (273); 1960 (287), 65 (296), 67 (293), 68 (307); 1974 (266),
    75 (266), 76 (273), 77 (287), 78 (266); & 1980 (266).

    Also, 1972, 79, 2015 & 19 were of equal length to 2021 (259).

    OTOH 55 seasons lasted less than 259 days, with the shortest on record
    in 1952 (112).

    2020's 161 days was the 6th shortest - 1950 (113), 51 (154), 52 (112);
    1961 (147) & 66 (154).
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  • From ~misfit~@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Dec 20 00:22:29 2020
    On 19/12/2020 12:19 pm, bra wrote:
    Formula OnerCOs longest season has been confirmed by the FIA World Motor Sport Council for 2021. The calendar, consisting of 23 races, is scheduled to run from 21 March in Melbourne until 5 December in Abu Dhabi, with the British Grand Prix to be held on 18 July at Silverstone.

    Yes, I know the imminent purpose is to increase profits. But after how many races may we reasonably declare a driver to have demonstrated a consistent superiority?

    I remember hearing a frustrated David Coulthard in 2010 being asked when and where "the next GP was" and he growled "I haven't a *** clue", suppressing the adjective. That was when the calendar had four fewer races.

    Most fans believed that Jim Clark had satisfactorily shown he was world champion when he won the 10th and final GP in 1963 and again in 1965.

    I've always said that I think that 16 races is plenty. When there was around that number I really
    looked forward to each one and enjoyed them more. Heck 12 might even be better, so that a Grand
    Prix feels like more of an occasion. I'm with Coulthard on this one. I used to think 'Yay! There's
    a GP this weekend'. Not so much now.

    These days it seems like there's a race each weekend and, as much as I enjoy F1 I sometimes get 'F1
    fatigue'. Seeing 'the pinnacle of motorsport' and 'the worlds best drivers' almost every weekend
    detracts from the sense of wonder and dilutes the brand IMO. Also it stretches the teams too thin
    so that errors creep in and often the whole team and driver aren't performing at their best on such
    a hectic schedule.

    It's a sign of the times, more is better and gluttony is conformism. 12 races are good? 24 will be
    twice as good! Sorry, no.
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Dec 19 07:17:50 2020
    On Saturday, December 19, 2020 at 4:22:36 AM UTC-7, ~misfit~ wrote:

    I've always said that I think that 16 races is plenty. When there was around that number I really
    looked forward to each one and enjoyed them more. Heck 12 might even be better, so that a Grand
    Prix feels like more of an occasion. I'm with Coulthard on this one. I used to think 'Yay! There's
    a GP this weekend'. Not so much now.

    These days it seems like there's a race each weekend and, as much as I enjoy F1 I sometimes get 'F1
    fatigue'. Seeing 'the pinnacle of motorsport' and 'the worlds best drivers' almost every weekend
    detracts from the sense of wonder and dilutes the brand IMO. Also it stretches the teams too thin
    so that errors creep in and often the whole team and driver aren't performing at their best on such
    a hectic schedule.

    It's a sign of the times, more is better and gluttony is conformism. 12 races are good? 24 will be
    twice as good! Sorry, no.

    fuck off
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  • From Darryl Johnson@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Dec 19 11:46:58 2020
    On 2020-12-19 6:22 AM, ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 19/12/2020 12:19 pm, bra wrote:
    Formula OnerCOs longest season has been confirmed by the FIA World
    Motor Sport Council for 2021. The calendar, consisting of 23 races,
    is scheduled to run from 21 March in Melbourne until 5 December in
    Abu Dhabi, with the British Grand Prix to be held on 18 July at
    Silverstone.

    Yes, I know the imminent purpose is to increase profits. But after
    how many races may we reasonably declare a driver to have
    demonstrated a consistent superiority?

    I remember hearing a frustrated David Coulthard in 2010 being asked
    when and where "the next GP was" and he growled "I haven't a ***
    clue", suppressing the adjective. That was when the calendar had
    four fewer races.

    Most fans believed that Jim Clark had satisfactorily shown he was
    world champion when he won the 10th and final GP in 1963 and again
    in 1965.

    I've always said that I think that 16 races is plenty. When there was
    around that number I really looked forward to each one and enjoyed
    them more. Heck 12 might even be better, so that a Grand Prix feels
    like more of an occasion. I'm with Coulthard on this one. I used to
    think 'Yay! There's a GP this weekend'. Not so much now.

    These days it seems like there's a race each weekend and, as much as I
    enjoy F1 I sometimes get 'F1 fatigue'. Seeing 'the pinnacle of
    motorsport' and 'the worlds best drivers' almost every weekend
    detracts from the sense of wonder and dilutes the brand IMO. Also it stretches the teams too thin so that errors creep in and often the
    whole team and driver aren't performing at their best on such a hectic schedule.

    It's a sign of the times, more is better and gluttony is conformism.
    12 races are good? 24 will be twice as good! Sorry, no.

    I wonder if the FIA tossed out all the existing contracts -- the ones
    that guarantee a specific date or position on the calendar -- and
    redesigned the schedule to reduce the amount of travel. For example --
    and I'm doing this off the top of head, so there will be better
    schedules -- start in Australia, do the other Asian events, then do
    the Americas, then Europe and end up in the Middle East.

    Team members would be able to go home between races -- some of the
    time at least -- but mechanics and truck drivers would have far less
    work to do. Or at least I think they would. And it would reduce the
    number of times cars and equipment would be sent back and forth from
    continent to continent. Which would be better for the environment.

    Also, if the schedule was designed with the races equally spread out
    -- every two weeks instead of these back to back events -- it would be
    easier on the mechanics and other non-driving team members. With the
    added benefit of giving the teams a chance to get updates and spare
    parts to the next race when needed.
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Dec 19 09:28:20 2020
    On Saturday, December 19, 2020 at 4:22:36 AM UTC-7, ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 19/12/2020 12:19 pm, bra wrote:
    Formula OnerCOs longest season has been confirmed by the FIA World Motor Sport Council for 2021. The calendar, consisting of 23 races, is scheduled to run from 21 March in Melbourne until 5 December in Abu Dhabi, with the British Grand Prix to be held on 18 July at Silverstone.

    Yes, I know the imminent purpose is to increase profits. But after how many races may we reasonably declare a driver to have demonstrated a consistent superiority?

    I remember hearing a frustrated David Coulthard in 2010 being asked when and where "the next GP was" and he growled "I haven't a *** clue", suppressing the adjective. That was when the calendar had four fewer races.

    Most fans believed that Jim Clark had satisfactorily shown he was world champion when he won the 10th and final GP in 1963 and again in 1965.
    I've always said that I think that 16 races is plenty. When there was around that number I really
    looked forward to each one and enjoyed them more. Heck 12 might even be better, so that a Grand
    Prix feels like more of an occasion. I'm with Coulthard on this one. I used to think 'Yay! There's
    a GP this weekend'. Not so much now.

    These days it seems like there's a race each weekend and, as much as I enjoy F1 I sometimes get 'F1
    fatigue'. Seeing 'the pinnacle of motorsport' and 'the worlds best drivers' almost every weekend
    detracts from the sense of wonder and dilutes the brand IMO. Also it stretches the teams too thin
    so that errors creep in and often the whole team and driver aren't performing at their best on such
    a hectic schedule.

    It's a sign of the times, more is better and gluttony is conformism. 12 races are good? 24 will be
    twice as good! Sorry, no.
    Don't watch then.
    Problem solved.
    Or is that too complicated for your tiny brains?
    Pair of fucking whiners.
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Dec 20 12:59:35 2020
    On 19/12/2020 4:16 pm, Falscher Bruce wrote:
    On Saturday, December 19, 2020 at 7:19:24 AM UTC+8, bra wrote:
    Formula OnerCOs longest season has been confirmed by the FIA World Motor Sport Council for 2021. The calendar, consisting of 23 races, is scheduled to run from 21 March in Melbourne until 5 December in Abu Dhabi, with the British Grand Prix to be held on 18 July at Silverstone.

    looks like 3 are not definite, but 23 is a lot
    If Hamilton wins title after say 16 races, that's a lot of dead rubbers


    And some of the most exciting racing this year has been amongst the
    'dead rubbers'.

    (Not alluding to discarded condoms) ; -0

    geoff
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Dec 20 13:02:10 2020
    On 20/12/2020 12:22 am, ~misfit~ wrote:


    These days it seems like there's a race each weekend and, as much as I
    enjoy F1 I sometimes get 'F1 fatigue'. Seeing 'the pinnacle of
    motorsport' and 'the worlds best drivers' almost every weekend detracts
    from the sense of wonder and dilutes the brand IMO. Also it stretches
    the teams too thin so that errors creep in and often the whole team and driver aren't performing at their best on such a hectic schedule.


    More fatiguing when some of those races are on tracks where boring is
    almost inevitable.

    geoff
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Dec 19 18:09:28 2020
    On Saturday, December 19, 2020 at 4:59:43 PM UTC-7, geoff wrote:

    (Not alluding to discarded condoms) ; -0

    in your case,
    covered in shit
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Dec 19 19:53:26 2020
    On Saturday, December 19, 2020 at 5:02:17 PM UTC-7, geoff wrote:
    On 20/12/2020 12:22 am, ~misfit~ wrote:


    These days it seems like there's a race each weekend and, as much as I enjoy F1 I sometimes get 'F1 fatigue'. Seeing 'the pinnacle of
    motorsport' and 'the worlds best drivers' almost every weekend detracts from the sense of wonder and dilutes the brand IMO. Also it stretches
    the teams too thin so that errors creep in and often the whole team and driver aren't performing at their best on such a hectic schedule.
    More fatiguing when some of those races are on tracks where boring is
    almost inevitable.

    You useless fucks are all fatigued there?
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Dec 19 20:00:35 2020
    On Saturday, December 19, 2020 at 5:02:17 PM UTC-7, geoff wrote:

    fatiguing

    Do you have access to food?
    Instead of chewing on your boyfriend's diseased penis?
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  • From XYXPDQ@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Dec 20 09:22:20 2020
    That's like asking how many episodes of any TV comedy are enough.
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