• 12 drivers issued with a warning

    From Geoff May@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Sep 13 21:14:24 2020
    https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/12071307/twelve-f1-drivers-receive-warnings-over-tuscan-gp-restart-crash

    The last comment implies that there may be more to come.

    Cheers

    Geoff
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  • From alister@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Sep 13 20:41:40 2020
    On Sun, 13 Sep 2020 21:14:24 +0100, Geoff May wrote:

    https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/12071307/twelve-f1-drivers-
    receive-warnings-over-tuscan-gp-restart-crash

    The last comment implies that there may be more to come.

    Cheers

    Geoff

    The on board video shows that at least one driver is a huge fan of the
    halo today.

    Could have been very nasty.





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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Sep 13 21:18:39 2020
    Geoff May wrote:


    https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/12071307/twelve-f1-drivers-receive-warnings-over-tuscan-gp-restart-crash

    The last comment implies that there may be more to come.


    Which comment? The decision read as pretty final to me.

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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Sep 13 14:44:43 2020
    On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 3:18:41 PM UTC-6, Bigbird wrote:

    Which comment? The decision read as pretty final to me.

    Here's a comment.
    You are a miserable cock sucking cunt.
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  • From Alan Baker@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Sep 13 14:55:28 2020
    On 2020-09-13 1:14 p.m., Geoff May wrote:
    https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/12071307/twelve-f1-drivers-receive-warnings-over-tuscan-gp-restart-crash


    The last comment implies that there may be more to come.

    A huge part of the problem is that no one in F1 appears to have studied
    games theory.

    :-)
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  • From XYXPDQ@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Sep 13 15:49:30 2020
    Bottas may have followed the letter of the law, but what he did was far from normal on a SC restart.
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  • From Alan Baker@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Sep 13 16:52:53 2020
    On 2020-09-13 3:49 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Bottas may have followed the letter of the law, but what he did was far from normal on a SC restart.


    What is normal is to take absolutely every advantage the rules give you.

    Every driver should have worked out in his head that that would have
    been the correct strategy and the implication that there could therefore
    be cars at well below racing pace until after start/finish.

    I've said it about every sport:

    Call the rules as they are written.

    If that causes a problem:

    Change the rules!
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  • From ~misfit~@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Sep 14 17:28:53 2020
    On 14/09/2020 10:49 am, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Bottas may have followed the letter of the law, but what he did was far from normal on a SC restart.


    Except it already happened four times the same weekend at the same track in F2 and F3. It's a
    track-specific safety car start and the drivers who fucked up should be sent back to F3 to start
    again IMO.
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    Shaun.

    "Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
    in the DSM"
    David Melville

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  • From Alan Baker@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Sep 13 23:40:57 2020
    On 2020-09-13 10:28 p.m., ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 14/09/2020 10:49 am, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Bottas may have followed the letter of the law, but what he did was
    far from normal on a SC restart.


    Except it already happened four times the same weekend at the same track
    in F2 and F3. It's a track-specific safety car start and the drivers who fucked up should be sent back to F3 to start again IMO.

    Precisely.

    This shouldn't have come as a surprise to anyone.
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Sep 14 08:46:56 2020
    ~misfit~ wrote:

    On 14/09/2020 10:49 am, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Bottas may have followed the letter of the law, but what he did was
    far from normal on a SC restart.


    Except it already happened four times the same weekend at the same
    track in F2 and F3. It's a track-specific safety car start...

    Yup, there is so much to gain by getting a run in such a situation that
    without very specific rules to avoid it the risk of this was very high.

    They could have easily specified a rule change for safety reasons that
    would have avoided this. A reversion to the previous rule would have
    sufficed. Turn 1 would still have been a challenge but the potential
    speed differences would have been far less.

    Most of the reprimanded drivers had no definite way of knowing whether
    the race was back on or not.


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  • From larkim@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Sep 14 03:41:12 2020
    On Monday, 14 September 2020 at 09:46:58 UTC+1, Bigbird wrote:
    ~misfit~ wrote:

    On 14/09/2020 10:49 am, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Bottas may have followed the letter of the law, but what he did was
    far from normal on a SC restart.


    Except it already happened four times the same weekend at the same
    track in F2 and F3. It's a track-specific safety car start...

    Yup, there is so much to gain by getting a run in such a situation that without very specific rules to avoid it the risk of this was very high.

    They could have easily specified a rule change for safety reasons that
    would have avoided this. A reversion to the previous rule would have sufficed. Turn 1 would still have been a challenge but the potential
    speed differences would have been far less.

    Most of the reprimanded drivers had no definite way of knowing whether
    the race was back on or not.
    --
    Bozo bin
    Texasgate
    Heron
    Enjoy!

    What reversion to the rules? Wasn't it just the positioning of the SC line that was "unusual" for a circuit? Or have I missed some other fundamental rule change (beyond the shuffling of the lapped cars back into position?
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Sep 14 12:20:05 2020
    larkim wrote:

    On Monday, 14 September 2020 at 09:46:58 UTC+1, Bigbird wrote:
    ~misfit~ wrote:

    On 14/09/2020 10:49 am, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Bottas may have followed the letter of the law, but what he did
    was far from normal on a SC restart.


    Except it already happened four times the same weekend at the same
    track in F2 and F3. It's a track-specific safety car start...

    Yup, there is so much to gain by getting a run in such a situation
    that without very specific rules to avoid it the risk of this was
    very high.

    They could have easily specified a rule change for safety reasons
    that would have avoided this. A reversion to the previous rule
    would have sufficed. Turn 1 would still have been a challenge but
    the potential speed differences would have been far less.

    Most of the reprimanded drivers had no definite way of knowing
    whether the race was back on or not.
    --
    Bozo bin
    Texasgate
    Heron
    Enjoy!

    What reversion to the rules? Wasn't it just the positioning of the
    SC line that was "unusual" for a circuit? Or have I missed some
    other fundamental rule change (beyond the shuffling of the lapped
    cars back into position?

    In 2019 they reverted to using the "control line" as the place earliest overtaking place. For a number of years it had been the first SC line
    at the pit entrance.

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    Bozo bin
    Texasgate
    Heron
    Enjoy!
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  • From larkim@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Sep 14 07:44:31 2020
    On Monday, 14 September 2020 at 13:20:08 UTC+1, Bigbird wrote:
    larkim wrote:

    On Monday, 14 September 2020 at 09:46:58 UTC+1, Bigbird wrote:
    ~misfit~ wrote:

    On 14/09/2020 10:49 am, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Bottas may have followed the letter of the law, but what he did
    was far from normal on a SC restart.


    Except it already happened four times the same weekend at the same track in F2 and F3. It's a track-specific safety car start...

    Yup, there is so much to gain by getting a run in such a situation
    that without very specific rules to avoid it the risk of this was
    very high.

    They could have easily specified a rule change for safety reasons
    that would have avoided this. A reversion to the previous rule
    would have sufficed. Turn 1 would still have been a challenge but
    the potential speed differences would have been far less.

    Most of the reprimanded drivers had no definite way of knowing
    whether the race was back on or not.
    --
    Bozo bin
    Texasgate
    Heron
    Enjoy!

    What reversion to the rules? Wasn't it just the positioning of the
    SC line that was "unusual" for a circuit? Or have I missed some
    other fundamental rule change (beyond the shuffling of the lapped
    cars back into position?
    In 2019 they reverted to using the "control line" as the place earliest overtaking place. For a number of years it had been the first SC line
    at the pit entrance.
    --
    Bozo bin
    Texasgate
    Heron
    Enjoy!
    Aha, thanks! I was missing that piece of info.

    Ironic that the move to improve the safety through the SC deployment caused more safety issues.

    Would a VSC not have worked better?
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  • From News@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Sep 14 10:58:52 2020
    On 9/14/2020 10:44 AM, larkim wrote:
    On Monday, 14 September 2020 at 13:20:08 UTC+1, Bigbird wrote:
    larkim wrote:

    On Monday, 14 September 2020 at 09:46:58 UTC+1, Bigbird wrote:
    ~misfit~ wrote:

    On 14/09/2020 10:49 am, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Bottas may have followed the letter of the law, but what he did
    was far from normal on a SC restart.


    Except it already happened four times the same weekend at the same
    track in F2 and F3. It's a track-specific safety car start...

    Yup, there is so much to gain by getting a run in such a situation
    that without very specific rules to avoid it the risk of this was
    very high.

    They could have easily specified a rule change for safety reasons
    that would have avoided this. A reversion to the previous rule
    would have sufficed. Turn 1 would still have been a challenge but
    the potential speed differences would have been far less.

    Most of the reprimanded drivers had no definite way of knowing
    whether the race was back on or not.
    --
    Bozo bin
    Texasgate
    Heron
    Enjoy!

    What reversion to the rules? Wasn't it just the positioning of the
    SC line that was "unusual" for a circuit? Or have I missed some
    other fundamental rule change (beyond the shuffling of the lapped
    cars back into position?
    In 2019 they reverted to using the "control line" as the place earliest
    overtaking place. For a number of years it had been the first SC line
    at the pit entrance.
    --
    Bozo bin
    Texasgate
    Heron
    Enjoy!
    Aha, thanks! I was missing that piece of info.

    Ironic that the move to improve the safety through the SC deployment caused more safety issues.

    Would a VSC not have worked better?



    Why not a sprint race with reverse position start?

    That's "Spectacle."
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  • From Geoff May@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Sep 14 17:39:55 2020
    On 13/09/2020 22:18, Bigbird wrote:
    Geoff May wrote:


    https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/12071307/twelve-f1-drivers-receive-warnings-over-tuscan-gp-restart-crash

    The last comment implies that there may be more to come.

    Which comment? The decision read as pretty final to me.

    When I posted, it ended with "More to follow" but the article has been
    updated since then.

    Cheers

    Geoff
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  • From XYXPDQ@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Sep 14 09:58:13 2020
    On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 10:28:56 PM UTC-7, ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 14/09/2020 10:49 am, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Bottas may have followed the letter of the law, but what he did was far from normal on a SC restart.


    Except it already happened four times the same weekend at the same track in F2 and F3. It's a
    track-specific safety car start and the drivers who fucked up should be sent back to F3 to start
    again IMO.
    --
    Shaun.

    "Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
    in the DSM"
    David Melville

    This is not an email and hasn't been checked for viruses by any half-arsed self-promoting software.


    Maybe Bottas's action would have made sense if the SC period had mixed up the front of the field, but The Chosen One was going to be moved ahead of him anyway.
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  • From Sir Tim@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Sep 14 18:54:28 2020
    Geoff May <GeoffMay_do_not_spam_me@nospam.com> wrote:
    https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/12071307/twelve-f1-drivers-receive-warnings-over-tuscan-gp-restart-crash

    The last comment implies that there may be more to come.

    The stewards should realize that they are not dealing with rational human beings, they are dealing with racing drivers Efye

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    Sir Tim
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  • From Alan Baker@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Sep 14 12:25:06 2020
    On 2020-09-14 11:54 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
    Geoff May <GeoffMay_do_not_spam_me@nospam.com> wrote:
    https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/12071307/twelve-f1-drivers-receive-warnings-over-tuscan-gp-restart-crash

    The last comment implies that there may be more to come.

    The stewards should realize that they are not dealing with rational human beings, they are dealing with racing drivers Efye


    Truth.

    :-)
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