Survivors of the Grenfell Tower fire and government minister Michael Gove have criticised Formula 1 team Mercedes for signing a deal with a firm linked to the tower. The F1 team signed a deal with Kingspan, which made some of the insulation used in the cladding.
(I'm old enough to remember tobacco companies being an official part of some team names)
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On 12/3/2021 9:41 AM, Mr Gobrien wrote:
Survivors of the Grenfell Tower fire and government minister Michael
Gove have criticised Formula 1 team Mercedes for signing a deal with a
firm linked to the tower. The F1 team signed a deal with Kingspan,
which made some of the insulation used in the cladding.
(I'm old enough to remember tobacco companies being an official part
of some team names)
More - www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59514976
Mercedes apologise to Grenfell group for rCLhurtrCY caused by Kingspan deal https://www.racefans.net/2021/12/03/mercedes-apologise-to-grenfell-group-for-hurt-caused-by-kingspan-deal
(I'm old enough to remember tobacco companies being an official part of some team names)
Mr Gobrien <mr_gobrien@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
(I'm old enough to remember tobacco companies being an official part of some team names)
And IrCOm old enough to remember when there was no advertising *at all* on the cars. It was a bit of a culture shock when Team Lotus first appeared
with Players Gold Leaf adverts on the cars (1968 was it?).
On 12/3/2021 9:41 AM, Mr Gobrien wrote:
Survivors of the Grenfell Tower fire and government minister Michael
Gove have criticised Formula 1 team Mercedes for signing a deal with a
firm linked to the tower. The F1 team signed a deal with Kingspan,
which made some of the insulation used in the cladding.
(I'm old enough to remember tobacco companies being an official part
of some team names)
More - www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59514976
Mercedes apologise to Grenfell group for rCLhurtrCY caused by Kingspan deal https://www.racefans.net/2021/12/03/mercedes-apologise-to-grenfell-group-for-hurt-caused-by-kingspan-deal
Mercedes and Kingspan end sponsorship deal following Grenfell controversy
On 12/3/2021 12:09 PM, Heron wrote:It's not 100% clear from the article if Merc found an escape clause in the contract or if both sides agreed to just drop the deal.
On 12/3/2021 9:41 AM, Mr Gobrien wrote:
Survivors of the Grenfell Tower fire and government minister Michael
Gove have criticised Formula 1 team Mercedes for signing a deal with a
firm linked to the tower. The F1 team signed a deal with Kingspan,
which made some of the insulation used in the cladding.
(I'm old enough to remember tobacco companies being an official part
of some team names)
More - www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59514976
Mercedes apologise to Grenfell group for rCLhurtrCY caused by Kingspan dealMercedes and Kingspan end sponsorship deal following Grenfell controversy https://www.racefans.net/2021/12/08/mercedes-and-kingspan-end-sponsorship-deal-following-grenfell-controversy/
https://www.racefans.net/2021/12/03/mercedes-apologise-to-grenfell-group-for-hurt-caused-by-kingspan-deal
On 12/3/2021 2:02 PM, Sir Tim wrote:
Mr Gobrien <mr_gobrien@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
(I'm old enough to remember tobacco companies being an official
part of some team names)
And IrCOm old enough to remember when there was no advertising *at all* on >> the cars. It was a bit of a culture shock when Team Lotus first appeared
with Players Gold Leaf adverts on the cars (1968 was it?).
This from the long-retired rasf1[m] FAQ:
Q: Which team first had a sponsor, the first race with sponsor,
and the sponsor's name?
A: At the 1968 Spanish GP Lotus appeared in the red and gold
livery of Gold Leaf Cigarettes. If privateers are considered
then one must credit John Love and Sam Tingle, whose "Team
Gunston" Brabham-Repco and LDS-Repco ran in the colors of that
cigarette brand at the season-opening South African event.
Mark Jackson <mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> writes:
On 12/3/2021 2:02 PM, Sir Tim wrote:
Mr Gobrien <mr_gobrien@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
(I'm old enough to remember tobacco companies being an official
part of some team names)
And IrCOm old enough to remember when there was no advertising *at all* on >>> the cars. It was a bit of a culture shock when Team Lotus first appeared >>> with Players Gold Leaf adverts on the cars (1968 was it?).
This from the long-retired rasf1[m] FAQ:
Q: Which team first had a sponsor, the first race with sponsor,
and the sponsor's name?
A: At the 1968 Spanish GP Lotus appeared in the red and gold
livery of Gold Leaf Cigarettes. If privateers are considered
then one must credit John Love and Sam Tingle, whose "Team
Gunston" Brabham-Repco and LDS-Repco ran in the colors of that
cigarette brand at the season-opening South African event.
There are some transitional cases before that as the presence of
these businesses' logos in 1967 was a commercial quid pro quo: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/Lotus_49-1.JPG
I'm not in the office presently, but there I have a set of 'antique'
glasses from some time in the 70s, and I think the Lotus has Gold Leaf
rather than JPS, so that might help date them more precisely.
On 12/11/2021 7:49 AM, Phil Carmody wrote:
Mark Jackson <mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> writes:
On 12/3/2021 2:02 PM, Sir Tim wrote:
Mr Gobrien <mr_gobrien@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
(I'm old enough to remember tobacco companies being an official
part of some team names)
And IrCOm old enough to remember when there was no advertising *at all* on >>>> the cars. It was a bit of a culture shock when Team Lotus first appeared >>>> with Players Gold Leaf adverts on the cars (1968 was it?).
This from the long-retired rasf1[m] FAQ:
Q: Which team first had a sponsor, the first race with sponsor,
and the sponsor's name?
A: At the 1968 Spanish GP Lotus appeared in the red and gold
livery of Gold Leaf Cigarettes. If privateers are considered
then one must credit John Love and Sam Tingle, whose "Team
Gunston" Brabham-Repco and LDS-Repco ran in the colors of that
cigarette brand at the season-opening South African event.
There are some transitional cases before that as the presence of
these businesses' logos in 1967 was a commercial quid pro quo:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/Lotus_49-1.JPG
Those stickers advertised products actually used on the cars in
question, reflecting a long-standing practice of teams receiving
in-kind or cash support from component manufacturers. As it happens
the fuel and tire companies stepped back after 1967, after which the
FIA first permitted unrestricted sponsorship. See
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula_One_sponsorship_liveries
I'm not in the office presently, but there I have a set of 'antique'
glasses from some time in the 70s, and I think the Lotus has Gold Leaf
rather than JPS, so that might help date them more precisely.
See the FAQ entry quoted above. According to Forix "Gold Leaf Team
Lotus" was Chapman's official entry for the first time in the 1968
Spanish GP.
Mark Jackson <mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> writes:
There are some transitional cases before that as the presence of
these businesses' logos in 1967 was a commercial quid pro quo:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/Lotus_49-1.JPG
question, reflecting a long-standing practice of teams receivingThose stickers advertised products actually used on the cars in
in-kind or cash support from component manufacturers. As it happens
the fuel and tire companies stepped back after 1967, after which the
FIA first permitted unrestricted sponsorship. See
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula_One_sponsorship_liveries
Yes, that's why I called them "transitional cases". What do you think
the precise difference between "sponsorship" and "support" is, in
particular given that some definitions of "sponsor" include the word "support"?
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