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  • Jeddah 2021 - Demo Derby ?

    From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Dec 6 17:19:47 2021
    So what do you get when you stick 21 cars on a high-speed, road-circuit,
    narrow track, with few run-off areas, and barriers both sides right
    adjacent to most of it ?

    Guess that's confirmed ...

    geoff
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  • From CS@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Dec 5 22:27:24 2021
    Certainly not cost saving!!
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Dec 6 09:12:10 2021
    On 2021-12-05 8:19 p.m., geoff wrote:
    So what do you get when you stick 21 cars on a high-speed, road-circuit,
    -anarrow track, with few run-off areas, and barriers both sides right adjacent to most of it ?

    Guess that's confirmed ...

    geoff

    Honestly, I don't want to see this track again.

    If you drive flat-out--as an F1 driver should have a reasonable
    opportunity to do, then any small mistake can then result in a huge crash.

    There needs to be room for small mistakes to have small consequences.

    People have said for years that, while Monaco is never going to lose its
    race, we shouldn't be adding any more circuits that are like Monte Carlo.
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  • From bra@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Dec 6 11:22:12 2021
    On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 9:12:12 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-12-05 8:19 p.m., geoff wrote:
    So what do you get when you stick 21 cars on a high-speed, road-circuit,
    narrow track, with few run-off areas, and barriers both sides right adjacent to most of it ?

    I loved the race. Attacks, hits, big risks, and that vital ingredient: drivers who hate each other.
    It puts me in mind of the era when Michael Andretti and Paul Tracy 'swapped punches' in Indy car racing. This is what fans pay to see.
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Dec 7 10:03:38 2021
    On 7/12/2021 6:12 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-12-05 8:19 p.m., geoff wrote:
    So what do you get when you stick 21 cars on a high-speed,
    road-circuit, -a-anarrow track, with few run-off areas, and barriers
    both sides right adjacent to most of it ?

    Guess that's confirmed ...

    geoff

    Honestly, I don't want to see this track again.

    If you drive flat-out--as an F1 driver should have a reasonable
    opportunity to do, then any small mistake can then result in a huge crash.

    There needs to be room for small mistakes to have small consequences.

    And consequences not only for the car involved, but effectively
    neutralises the race for all.

    geoff
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Dec 7 10:06:24 2021
    On 7/12/2021 8:22 am, bra wrote:
    On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 9:12:12 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-12-05 8:19 p.m., geoff wrote:
    So what do you get when you stick 21 cars on a high-speed, road-circuit, >>> narrow track, with few run-off areas, and barriers both sides right
    adjacent to most of it ?

    I loved the race. Attacks, hits, big risks, and that vital ingredient: drivers who hate each other.
    It puts me in mind of the era when Michael Andretti and Paul Tracy 'swapped punches' in Indy car racing. This is what fans pay to see.


    Stoppages, re-starts, racing advantages wiped each time, chances of
    further mayhem each re-start ?

    Those that that appeals to would maybe be better-served watching a
    Demolition Derby.

    geoff
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Dec 6 13:24:22 2021
    On 2021-12-06 1:03 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 7/12/2021 6:12 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-12-05 8:19 p.m., geoff wrote:
    So what do you get when you stick 21 cars on a high-speed,
    road-circuit, -a-anarrow track, with few run-off areas, and barriers
    both sides right adjacent to most of it ?

    Guess that's confirmed ...

    geoff

    Honestly, I don't want to see this track again.

    If you drive flat-out--as an F1 driver should have a reasonable
    opportunity to do, then any small mistake can then result in a huge
    crash.

    There needs to be room for small mistakes to have small consequences.

    And consequences not only for the car involved, but effectively
    neutralises the race for all.

    Well, you kind of wrote it awkwardly, but I got the gist.

    :-)
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Dec 6 13:24:49 2021
    On 2021-12-06 1:06 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 7/12/2021 8:22 am, bra wrote:
    On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 9:12:12 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-12-05 8:19 p.m., geoff wrote:
    So what do you get when you stick 21 cars on a high-speed,
    road-circuit,
    -a narrow track, with few run-off areas, and barriers both sides right >>>> adjacent to most of it ?

    I loved the race. Attacks, hits, big risks, and that vital ingredient:
    drivers who hate each other.
    It puts me in mind of the era when Michael Andretti and Paul Tracy
    'swapped punches' in Indy car racing. This is what fans pay to see.


    Stoppages, re-starts, racing advantages wiped each time, chances of
    further mayhem each re-start ?

    Those that that appeals to would maybe be better-served watching a Demolition Derby.

    geoff

    Agreed.
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Dec 6 15:00:03 2021
    On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 3:54:27 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    Agreed.

    oh fucking goody for you
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Dec 6 15:19:37 2021
    On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 4:16:44 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    Well, you kind of wrote it awkwardly, but I got the gist.

    fuck off cunthole
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Dec 6 19:28:08 2021
    On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 6:10:21 PM UTC-7, texas gate wrote:

    On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 4:16:44 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    Well, you kind of wrote it awkwardly, but I got the gist.

    fuck off cunthole

    Get that gist?
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  • From Phil Carmody@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Dec 11 15:19:36 2021
    Alan <nope@nope.com> writes:
    On 2021-12-05 8:19 p.m., geoff wrote:
    So what do you get when you stick 21 cars on a high-speed,
    road-circuit, -anarrow track, with few run-off areas, and barriers
    both sides right adjacent to most of it ?

    Guess that's confirmed ...

    geoff

    Honestly, I don't want to see this track again.

    If you drive flat-out--as an F1 driver should have a reasonable
    opportunity to do, then any small mistake can then result in a huge
    crash.

    There needs to be room for small mistakes to have small consequences.

    People have said for years that, while Monaco is never going to lose
    its race, we shouldn't be adding any more circuits that are like Monte
    Carlo.

    Mostly agree, but there is a grey area. I never watch F2, but when Baku
    began I decided to watch the F2 too, so I could learn the circuit before
    the F1, and that was a crashathon. I quickly concluded I hated the
    circuit for the reasons you mention - little fuckups led to multiple
    cars retiring and stopped sessions. However, when the big boys arrived,
    it suddenly became a driveable track, and now I'm rather fond of
    it. Politics aside, Jeddah might just need a few minor tweaks and then
    could be a great technical circuit (but of course, might not). Politics included - fuckit & fuckem.

    Phil
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