... his too-fast/late breaking/impossibly-hopeful line running HAM
off-track just like a race or two ago ?
Or is that now considered OK.
geoff
... his too-fast/late breaking/impossibly-hopeful line running HAM
off-track just like a race or two ago ?
Or is that now considered OK.
On 12/5/2021 10:31 PM, geoff wrote:
... his too-fast/late breaking/impossibly-hopeful line running HAM
off-track just like a race or two ago ?
Or is that now considered OK.
geoff
Hamilton tells Max: Rules donrCOt apply to one of us https://www.planetf1.com/news/lewis-hamilton-max-verstappen-rules-dont-apply/
On 2021-12-06 2:41 a.m., Heron wrote:
On 12/5/2021 10:31 PM, geoff wrote:
... his too-fast/late breaking/impossibly-hopeful line running HAM
off-track just like a race or two ago ?
Or is that now considered OK.
geoff
Hamilton tells Max: Rules donrCOt apply to one of us
https://www.planetf1.com/news/lewis-hamilton-max-verstappen-rules-dont-apply/
Without the data, there is no way to tell if Hamilton is correct about "steep heavy braking" by Verstappen, but I very much doubt it. Mostly because actual "braking" wasn't necessary.
Remember, at high speeds, F1 cars produce over 1g of drag from the wings.
On 12/6/2021 12:06 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-06 2:41 a.m., Heron wrote:
On 12/5/2021 10:31 PM, geoff wrote:
... his too-fast/late breaking/impossibly-hopeful line running HAM
off-track just like a race or two ago ?
Or is that now considered OK.
geoff
Hamilton tells Max: Rules donrCOt apply to one of us
https://www.planetf1.com/news/lewis-hamilton-max-verstappen-rules-dont-apply/
Without the data, there is no way to tell if Hamilton is correct about
"steep heavy braking" by Verstappen, but I very much doubt it. Mostly
because actual "braking" wasn't necessary.
Remember, at high speeds, F1 cars produce over 1g of drag from the wings.
The Stewards, who *did* have the telemetry data, sayeth:
"In deciding to penalise the driver of Car 33, the key point for the Stewards was that the driver of Car 33 then braked suddenly (69 bar) and significantly, resulting in 2.4g deceleration."
On 12/6/2021 2:50 PM, Mark Jackson wrote:
On 12/6/2021 12:06 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-06 2:41 a.m., Heron wrote:
On 12/5/2021 10:31 PM, geoff wrote:
... his too-fast/late breaking/impossibly-hopeful line running HAM
off-track just like a race or two ago ?
Or is that now considered OK.
geoff
Hamilton tells Max: Rules donrCOt apply to one of us
https://www.planetf1.com/news/lewis-hamilton-max-verstappen-rules-dont-apply/
Without the data, there is no way to tell if Hamilton is correct
about "steep heavy braking" by Verstappen, but I very much doubt it.
Mostly because actual "braking" wasn't necessary.
Remember, at high speeds, F1 cars produce over 1g of drag from the
wings.
The Stewards, who *did* have the telemetry data, sayeth:
"In deciding to penalise the driver of Car 33, the key point for the
Stewards was that the driver of Car 33 then braked suddenly (69 bar)
and significantly, resulting in 2.4g deceleration."
Right, to shake Ham off him, let him pass, so he could continue to race.
Too bad the Merc radio failed to inform Ham timely to take the place.
Ham tucked in tight, and a late decision to overtake resulted in impact.
No wonder Wolf threw his headset onto the ground. Total Merc cock-up.
On 12/6/2021 12:06 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-06 2:41 a.m., Heron wrote:
On 12/5/2021 10:31 PM, geoff wrote:
... his too-fast/late breaking/impossibly-hopeful line running HAM
off-track just like a race or two ago ?
Or is that now considered OK.
geoff
Hamilton tells Max: Rules donrCOt apply to one of us
https://www.planetf1.com/news/lewis-hamilton-max-verstappen-rules-dont-apply/
Without the data, there is no way to tell if Hamilton is correct about
"steep heavy braking" by Verstappen, but I very much doubt it. Mostly
because actual "braking" wasn't necessary.
Remember, at high speeds, F1 cars produce over 1g of drag from the wings.
The Stewards, who *did* have the telemetry data, sayeth:
"In deciding to penalise the driver of Car 33, the key point for the Stewards was that the driver of Car 33 then braked suddenly (69 bar) and significantly, resulting in 2.4g deceleration."
On 12/6/2021 2:50 PM, Mark Jackson wrote:
On 12/6/2021 12:06 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-06 2:41 a.m., Heron wrote:
On 12/5/2021 10:31 PM, geoff wrote:
... his too-fast/late breaking/impossibly-hopeful line running HAM
off-track just like a race or two ago ?
Or is that now considered OK.
geoff
Hamilton tells Max: Rules donrCOt apply to one of us
https://www.planetf1.com/news/lewis-hamilton-max-verstappen-rules-dont-apply/
Without the data, there is no way to tell if Hamilton is correct
about "steep heavy braking" by Verstappen, but I very much doubt it.
Mostly because actual "braking" wasn't necessary.
Remember, at high speeds, F1 cars produce over 1g of drag from the
wings.
The Stewards, who *did* have the telemetry data, sayeth:
"In deciding to penalise the driver of Car 33, the key point for the
Stewards was that the driver of Car 33 then braked suddenly (69 bar)
and significantly, resulting in 2.4g deceleration."
Right, to shake Ham off him, let him pass, so he could continue to race.
Too bad the Merc radio failed to inform Ham timely to take the place.
Ham tucked in tight, and a late decision to overtake resulted in impact.
No wonder Wolf threw his headset onto the ground. Total Merc cock-up.
On 7/12/2021 9:16 am, News wrote:
On 12/6/2021 2:50 PM, Mark Jackson wrote:
On 12/6/2021 12:06 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-06 2:41 a.m., Heron wrote:
On 12/5/2021 10:31 PM, geoff wrote:
... his too-fast/late breaking/impossibly-hopeful line running HAM >>>>>> off-track just like a race or two ago ?
Or is that now considered OK.
geoff
Hamilton tells Max: Rules donrCOt apply to one of us
https://www.planetf1.com/news/lewis-hamilton-max-verstappen-rules-dont-apply/
Without the data, there is no way to tell if Hamilton is correct
about "steep heavy braking" by Verstappen, but I very much doubt it.
Mostly because actual "braking" wasn't necessary.
Remember, at high speeds, F1 cars produce over 1g of drag from the
wings.
The Stewards, who *did* have the telemetry data, sayeth:
"In deciding to penalise the driver of Car 33, the key point for the
Stewards was that the driver of Car 33 then braked suddenly (69 bar)
and significantly, resulting in 2.4g deceleration."
Right, to shake Ham off him, let him pass, so he could continue to race.
Too bad the Merc radio failed to inform Ham timely to take the place.
Ham tucked in tight, and a late decision to overtake resulted in
impact. No wonder Wolf threw his headset onto the ground. Total Merc
cock-up.
Watch it in real-time - there was barely time for a communication and
VER applied it so quickly. Maybe a second to two delay on Merc's part.
But VER's ploy was very deliberate.
On 2021-12-06 12:16 p.m., News wrote:
On 12/6/2021 2:50 PM, Mark Jackson wrote:
On 12/6/2021 12:06 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-06 2:41 a.m., Heron wrote:
On 12/5/2021 10:31 PM, geoff wrote:
... his too-fast/late breaking/impossibly-hopeful line running HAM >>>>>> off-track just like a race or two ago ?
Or is that now considered OK.
geoff
Hamilton tells Max: Rules donrCOt apply to one of us
https://www.planetf1.com/news/lewis-hamilton-max-verstappen-rules-dont-apply/
Without the data, there is no way to tell if Hamilton is correct
about "steep heavy braking" by Verstappen, but I very much doubt it.
Mostly because actual "braking" wasn't necessary.
Remember, at high speeds, F1 cars produce over 1g of drag from the
wings.
The Stewards, who *did* have the telemetry data, sayeth:
"In deciding to penalise the driver of Car 33, the key point for the
Stewards was that the driver of Car 33 then braked suddenly (69 bar)
and significantly, resulting in 2.4g deceleration."
Right, to shake Ham off him, let him pass, so he could continue to race.
Too bad the Merc radio failed to inform Ham timely to take the place.
Ham tucked in tight, and a late decision to overtake resulted in
impact. No wonder Wolf threw his headset onto the ground. Total Merc
cock-up.
But it really was brake-check if he's hitting the pedal. In normal situations where you're letting someone by, all it takes is letting off
the pedal, and thus that is what the other driver expects.
On 2021-12-06 2:41 a.m., Heron wrote:
On 12/5/2021 10:31 PM, geoff wrote:
... his too-fast/late breaking/impossibly-hopeful line running HAM
off-track just like a race or two ago ?
Or is that now considered OK.
geoff
Hamilton tells Max: Rules donrCOt apply to one of us
https://www.planetf1.com/news/lewis-hamilton-max-verstappen-rules-dont-apply/
Without the data, there is no way to tell if Hamilton is correct about "steep heavy braking" by Verstappen, but I very much doubt it. Mostly because actual "braking" wasn't necessary.
Remember, at high speeds, F1 cars produce over 1g of drag from the wings.
Could he have been playing it a bit dirty? Yeah... ...he could have.
On 12/6/2021 3:45 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-06 12:16 p.m., News wrote:
On 12/6/2021 2:50 PM, Mark Jackson wrote:
On 12/6/2021 12:06 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-06 2:41 a.m., Heron wrote:
On 12/5/2021 10:31 PM, geoff wrote:
... his too-fast/late breaking/impossibly-hopeful line running
HAM off-track just like a race or two ago ?
Or is that now considered OK.
geoff
Hamilton tells Max: Rules donrCOt apply to one of us
https://www.planetf1.com/news/lewis-hamilton-max-verstappen-rules-dont-apply/
Without the data, there is no way to tell if Hamilton is correct
about "steep heavy braking" by Verstappen, but I very much doubt
it. Mostly because actual "braking" wasn't necessary.
Remember, at high speeds, F1 cars produce over 1g of drag from the
wings.
The Stewards, who *did* have the telemetry data, sayeth:
"In deciding to penalise the driver of Car 33, the key point for the
Stewards was that the driver of Car 33 then braked suddenly (69 bar)
and significantly, resulting in 2.4g deceleration."
Right, to shake Ham off him, let him pass, so he could continue to race. >>> Too bad the Merc radio failed to inform Ham timely to take the place.
Ham tucked in tight, and a late decision to overtake resulted in
impact. No wonder Wolf threw his headset onto the ground. Total Merc
cock-up.
But it really was brake-check if he's hitting the pedal. In normal
situations where you're letting someone by, all it takes is letting
off the pedal, and thus that is what the other driver expects.
He had already lifted and moved over to allow the follower to pass!
On 7/12/2021 6:06 am, Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-06 2:41 a.m., Heron wrote:
On 12/5/2021 10:31 PM, geoff wrote:
... his too-fast/late breaking/impossibly-hopeful line running HAM
off-track just like a race or two ago ?
Or is that now considered OK.
geoff
Hamilton tells Max: Rules donrCOt apply to one of us
https://www.planetf1.com/news/lewis-hamilton-max-verstappen-rules-dont-apply/
Without the data, there is no way to tell if Hamilton is correct about
"steep heavy braking" by Verstappen, but I very much doubt it. Mostly
because actual "braking" wasn't necessary.
Remember, at high speeds, F1 cars produce over 1g of drag from the wings.
Could he have been playing it a bit dirty? Yeah... ...he could have.
I was referring to the one after the restart on lap 15 at Turn 1, where
VER tried to go into the left-hand corner around HAM at an angle/speed
that could have never made the corner,(and didn't, all four wheel right
off) and came back on track into HAM who had to take evasive action and ended up behind Ocon.
The second time he did it, more extremely, he did get the order to give
the place back. But the first was just as blatant, if not as spectacular.
And if you do have to give a place back and another car has got
in-between, that does complicate things further .
geoff
On 12/6/2021 2:50 PM, Mark Jackson wrote:
On 12/6/2021 12:06 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-06 2:41 a.m., Heron wrote:
On 12/5/2021 10:31 PM, geoff wrote:
... his too-fast/late breaking/impossibly-hopeful line running HAM
off-track just like a race or two ago ?
Or is that now considered OK.
geoff
Hamilton tells Max: Rules donrCOt apply to one of us
https://www.planetf1.com/news/lewis-hamilton-max-verstappen-rules-dont-apply/
Without the data, there is no way to tell if Hamilton is correct
about "steep heavy braking" by Verstappen, but I very much doubt it.
Mostly because actual "braking" wasn't necessary.
Remember, at high speeds, F1 cars produce over 1g of drag from the
wings.
The Stewards, who *did* have the telemetry data, sayeth:
"In deciding to penalise the driver of Car 33, the key point for the
Stewards was that the driver of Car 33 then braked suddenly (69 bar)
and significantly, resulting in 2.4g deceleration."
Right, to shake Ham off him, let him pass, so he could continue to race.
Too bad the Merc radio failed to inform Ham timely to take the place.
Ham tucked in tight, and a late decision to overtake resulted in impact.
No wonder Wolf threw his headset onto the ground. Total Merc cock-up.
On 2021-12-06 2:41 a.m., Heron wrote:
On 12/5/2021 10:31 PM, geoff wrote:
... his too-fast/late breaking/impossibly-hopeful line running
HAM off-track just like a race or two ago ?
Or is that now considered OK.
geoff
Hamilton tells Max: Rules donrCOt apply to one of us https://www.planetf1.com/news/lewis-hamilton-max-verstappen-rules-do nt-apply/
Without the data, there is no way to tell if Hamilton is correct
about "steep heavy braking" by Verstappen, but I very much doubt it.
Mostly because actual "braking" wasn't necessary.
On 12/6/2021 2:50 PM, Mark Jackson wrote:
On 12/6/2021 12:06 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-06 2:41 a.m., Heron wrote:
On 12/5/2021 10:31 PM, geoff wrote:
... his too-fast/late breaking/impossibly-hopeful line
running HAM off-track just like a race or two ago ?
Or is that now considered OK.
geoff
Hamilton tells Max: Rules donrCOt apply to one of us https://www.planetf1.com/news/lewis-hamilton-max-verstappen-rule s-dont-apply/
Without the data, there is no way to tell if Hamilton is correct
about "steep heavy braking" by Verstappen, but I very much doubt
it. Mostly because actual "braking" wasn't necessary.
Remember, at high speeds, F1 cars produce over 1g of drag from
the wings.
The Stewards, who did have the telemetry data, sayeth:
"In deciding to penalise the driver of Car 33, the key point for
the Stewards was that the driver of Car 33 then braked suddenly
(69 bar) and significantly, resulting in 2.4g deceleration."
Right, to shake Ham off him, let him pass, so he could continue to
race. Too bad the Merc radio failed to inform Ham timely to take the
place. Ham tucked in tight, and a late decision to overtake resulted
in impact. No wonder Wolf threw his headset onto the ground. Total
Merc cock-up.
On 12/6/2021 3:45 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-06 12:16 p.m., News wrote:
On 12/6/2021 2:50 PM, Mark Jackson wrote:
On 12/6/2021 12:06 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-06 2:41 a.m., Heron wrote:
On 12/5/2021 10:31 PM, geoff wrote:
... his too-fast/late breaking/impossibly-hopeful line
running HAM off-track just like a race or two ago ?
Or is that now considered OK.
geoff
Hamilton tells Max: Rules donrCOt apply to one of us https://www.planetf1.com/news/lewis-hamilton-max-verstappen- rules-dont-apply/
Without the data, there is no way to tell if Hamilton is
correct about "steep heavy braking" by Verstappen, but I
very much doubt it. Mostly because actual "braking" wasn't necessary.
Remember, at high speeds, F1 cars produce over 1g of drag
from the wings.
The Stewards, who did have the telemetry data, sayeth:
"In deciding to penalise the driver of Car 33, the key point
for the Stewards was that the driver of Car 33 then braked
suddenly (69 bar) and significantly, resulting in 2.4g
deceleration."
Right, to shake Ham off him, let him pass, so he could continue
to race. Too bad the Merc radio failed to inform Ham timely to
take the place. Ham tucked in tight, and a late decision to
overtake resulted in impact. No wonder Wolf threw his headset
onto the ground. Total Merc cock-up.
But it really was brake-check if he's hitting the pedal. In normal situations where you're letting someone by, all it takes is letting
off the pedal, and thus that is what the other driver expects.
He had already lifted and moved over to allow the follower to pass!
On 2021-12-05 8:31 p.m., geoff wrote:
... his too-fast/late breaking/impossibly-hopeful line running HAM off-track just like a race or two ago ?
Or is that now considered OK.
Guys, guys (and girls)...
Verstappen's move at Brazil was not "too-fast/late breaking[sic]" or "impossibly-hopeful".
educate yourself.
On 12/6/2021 3:45 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-06 12:16 p.m., News wrote:
On 12/6/2021 2:50 PM, Mark Jackson wrote:
On 12/6/2021 12:06 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-06 2:41 a.m., Heron wrote:
On 12/5/2021 10:31 PM, geoff wrote:
... his too-fast/late breaking/impossibly-hopeful line running
HAM off-track just like a race or two ago ?
Or is that now considered OK.
geoff
Hamilton tells Max: Rules donrCOt apply to one of us
https://www.planetf1.com/news/lewis-hamilton-max-verstappen-rules-dont-apply/
Without the data, there is no way to tell if Hamilton is correct
about "steep heavy braking" by Verstappen, but I very much doubt
it. Mostly because actual "braking" wasn't necessary.
Remember, at high speeds, F1 cars produce over 1g of drag from the
wings.
The Stewards, who *did* have the telemetry data, sayeth:
"In deciding to penalise the driver of Car 33, the key point for the
Stewards was that the driver of Car 33 then braked suddenly (69 bar)
and significantly, resulting in 2.4g deceleration."
Right, to shake Ham off him, let him pass, so he could continue to race. >>> Too bad the Merc radio failed to inform Ham timely to take the place.
Ham tucked in tight, and a late decision to overtake resulted in
impact. No wonder Wolf threw his headset onto the ground. Total Merc
cock-up.
But it really was brake-check if he's hitting the pedal. In normal
situations where you're letting someone by, all it takes is letting
off the pedal, and thus that is what the other driver expects.
He had already lifted and moved over to allow the follower to pass!
News wrote:
On 12/6/2021 2:50 PM, Mark Jackson wrote:
On 12/6/2021 12:06 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-06 2:41 a.m., Heron wrote:
On 12/5/2021 10:31 PM, geoff wrote:
... his too-fast/late breaking/impossibly-hopeful line
running HAM off-track just like a race or two ago ?
Or is that now considered OK.
geoff
Hamilton tells Max: Rules donrCOt apply to one of us
https://www.planetf1.com/news/lewis-hamilton-max-verstappen-rule
s-dont-apply/
Without the data, there is no way to tell if Hamilton is correct
about "steep heavy braking" by Verstappen, but I very much doubt
it. Mostly because actual "braking" wasn't necessary.
Remember, at high speeds, F1 cars produce over 1g of drag from
the wings.
The Stewards, who did have the telemetry data, sayeth:
"In deciding to penalise the driver of Car 33, the key point for
the Stewards was that the driver of Car 33 then braked suddenly
(69 bar) and significantly, resulting in 2.4g deceleration."
Right, to shake Ham off him, let him pass, so he could continue to
race. Too bad the Merc radio failed to inform Ham timely to take the
place. Ham tucked in tight, and a late decision to overtake resulted
in impact. No wonder Wolf threw his headset onto the ground. Total
Merc cock-up.
Lol, so says the self appointed group fool. Now shake your head and
make the bells ring.
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-06 2:41 a.m., Heron wrote:
On 12/5/2021 10:31 PM, geoff wrote:
... his too-fast/late breaking/impossibly-hopeful line running
HAM off-track just like a race or two ago ?
Or is that now considered OK.
geoff
Hamilton tells Max: Rules donrCOt apply to one of us
https://www.planetf1.com/news/lewis-hamilton-max-verstappen-rules-do
nt-apply/
Without the data, there is no way to tell if Hamilton is correct
about "steep heavy braking" by Verstappen, but I very much doubt it.
Mostly because actual "braking" wasn't necessary.
Unless you look at the stewards decision...
Not only was there braking but there was some very confusing movement
by Max wandering around in the middle of the track, not to one side as
is usual for a driver ceding a place.
On 2021-12-06 2:33 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-06 2:41 a.m., Heron wrote:
On 12/5/2021 10:31 PM, geoff wrote:
... his too-fast/late breaking/impossibly-hopeful line running
HAM off-track just like a race or two ago ?
Or is that now considered OK.
geoff
Hamilton tells Max: Rules donrCOt apply to one of us
nt-apply/
Without the data, there is no way to tell if Hamilton is correct
about "steep heavy braking" by Verstappen, but I very much doubt
it. Mostly because actual "braking" wasn't necessary.
Unless you look at the stewards decision...
Not only was there braking but there was some very confusing
movement by Max wandering around in the middle of the track, not to
one side as is usual for a driver ceding a place.
That was a place on the track where you can drive flat-out, so the
racing line on a curved section like that is the shortest available
line.
Verstappen was well off that shortest line.
On 2021-12-06 2:33 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-06 2:41 a.m., Heron wrote:
On 12/5/2021 10:31 PM, geoff wrote:
... his too-fast/late breaking/impossibly-hopeful line running
HAM off-track just like a race or two ago ?
Or is that now considered OK.
geoff
Hamilton tells Max: Rules donrCOt apply to one of us
nt-apply/
Without the data, there is no way to tell if Hamilton is correct
about "steep heavy braking" by Verstappen, but I very much doubt
it. Mostly because actual "braking" wasn't necessary.
Unless you look at the stewards decision...
Not only was there braking but there was some very confusing
movement by Max wandering around in the middle of the track, not to
one side as is usual for a driver ceding a place.
That was a place on the track where you can drive flat-out, so the
racing line on a curved section like that is the shortest available
line.
Verstappen was well off that shortest line.
On 2021-12-06 2:33 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-06 2:41 a.m., Heron wrote:
On 12/5/2021 10:31 PM, geoff wrote:
... his too-fast/late breaking/impossibly-hopeful line running
HAM off-track just like a race or two ago ?
Or is that now considered OK.
geoff
Hamilton tells Max: Rules donrCOt apply to one of us
nt-apply/
Without the data, there is no way to tell if Hamilton is correct
about "steep heavy braking" by Verstappen, but I very much doubt
it. Mostly because actual "braking" wasn't necessary.
Unless you look at the stewards decision...
Not only was there braking but there was some very confusing
movement by Max wandering around in the middle of the track, not to
one side as is usual for a driver ceding a place.
That was a place on the track where you can drive flat-out, so the
racing line on a curved section like that is the shortest available
line.
Verstappen was well off that shortest line.
I don't know that it was or wasn't an error on the part of Mercedes, but
it seems to me that they claimed they did not get the message in time to
let Hamilton know.
First the fool says it didn't happen then he says there was justification but doesn't mention that
the braking was just so that he (Max) didn't get to the DRS line before Lewis. (Once he did he took
off like a cut cat.)
Dirty driving, pure and simple. I'm sooo pleased the fool isn't a steward.
In article <som0qh$n3c$1@dont-email.me>, darryl_johnson@rogers.com
says...
I don't know that it was or wasn't an error on the part of Mercedes, but
it seems to me that they claimed they did not get the message in time to
let Hamilton know.
Do not be fooled!
Lewis most certainly knew that Max was trying to give the place back and
knew exactly what he was trying to do by giving it back at that part of
the track. Lewis decided to hang back and wait until passing the drs
line before receiving the place and Max, seeing that Lewis was holding
back from taking the place, then tried to force the situation.
What Lewis /should/ have done, in an ideal world, was take the place and
if Max then overtook him on the next drs straight, demand the place be
given back again as Max would have retained a clear advantage. However,
he had no way of knowing if the stewards would see it that way.
In article <som0qh$n3c$1@dont-email.me>, darryl_johnson@rogers.com
says...
I don't know that it was or wasn't an error on the part of Mercedes, but
it seems to me that they claimed they did not get the message in time to
let Hamilton know.
Do not be fooled!
Lewis most certainly knew that Max was trying to give the place back and
knew exactly what he was trying to do by giving it back at that part of
the track. Lewis decided to hang back and wait until passing the drs
line before receiving the place and Max, seeing that Lewis was holding
back from taking the place, then tried to force the situation.
What Lewis /should/ have done, in an ideal world, was take the place and
if Max then overtook him on the next drs straight, demand the place be
given back again as Max would have retained a clear advantage. However,
he had no way of knowing if the stewards would see it that way.
In article <som0qh$n3c$1@dont-email.me>, darryl_johnson@rogers.com
says...
I don't know that it was or wasn't an error on the part of
Mercedes, but it seems to me that they claimed they did not get the
message in time to let Hamilton know.
Do not be fooled!
Lewis most certainly knew that Max was trying to give the place back
and knew exactly what he was trying to do by giving it back at that
part of the track. Lewis decided to hang back and wait until passing
the drs line before receiving the place and Max, seeing that Lewis
was holding back from taking the place, then tried to force the
situation.
What Lewis should have done, in an ideal world, was take the place--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
and if Max then overtook him on the next drs straight, demand the
place be given back again as Max would have retained a clear
advantage. However, he had no way of knowing if the stewards would
see it that way.
On 8/12/2021 4:20 am, Alan LeHun wrote:
In article <som0qh$n3c$1@dont-email.me>, darryl_johnson@rogers.com
says...
I don't know that it was or wasn't an error on the part of
Mercedes, but it seems to me that they claimed they did not get
the message in time to let Hamilton know.
Do not be fooled!
Lewis most certainly knew that Max was trying to give the place
back and knew exactly what he was trying to do by giving it back at
that part of the track. Lewis decided to hang back and wait until
passing the drs line before receiving the place and Max, seeing
that Lewis was holding back from taking the place, then tried to
force the situation.
What Lewis should have done, in an ideal world, was take the place
and if Max then overtook him on the next drs straight, demand the
place be given back again as Max would have retained a clear
advantage. However, he had no way of knowing if the stewards would
see it that way.
Has that ever been done before. Or would the stewards have had to
invoke a quick re-write of the rule-book before ordering ?
Alan LeHun wrote:
In article <som0qh$n3c$1@dont-email.me>, darryl_johnson@rogers.com
says...
I don't know that it was or wasn't an error on the part of
Mercedes, but it seems to me that they claimed they did not get the
message in time to let Hamilton know.
Do not be fooled!
Lewis most certainly knew that Max was trying to give the place back
and knew exactly what he was trying to do by giving it back at that
part of the track. Lewis decided to hang back and wait until passing
the drs line before receiving the place and Max, seeing that Lewis
was holding back from taking the place, then tried to force the
situation.
It didn't help that Max was already thinking about get back on the
racing line to sipstream Lewis and was meandering somewhat towards the
middle of the track. If he had stayed right he may have got away
without a collision.
Too much gamesmanship too little common sense.
What Lewis should have done, in an ideal world, was take the place
and if Max then overtook him on the next drs straight, demand the
place be given back again as Max would have retained a clear
advantage. However, he had no way of knowing if the stewards would
see it that way.
On 2021-12-08 2:36 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan LeHun wrote:
In article <som0qh$n3c$1...@dont-email.me>, darryl_...@rogers.com
says...
I don't know that it was or wasn't an error on the part of
Mercedes, but it seems to me that they claimed they did not get the
message in time to let Hamilton know.
Do not be fooled!
Lewis most certainly knew that Max was trying to give the place back
and knew exactly what he was trying to do by giving it back at that
part of the track. Lewis decided to hang back and wait until passing
the drs line before receiving the place and Max, seeing that Lewis
was holding back from taking the place, then tried to force the
situation.
It didn't help that Max was already thinking about get back on the
racing line to sipstream Lewis and was meandering somewhat towards the middle of the track. If he had stayed right he may have got away
without a collision.
Too much gamesmanship too little common sense.From both of them.
But only Max committed an act which went beyond the bounds.
On Wednesday, December 8, 2021 at 10:11:20 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-08 2:36 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan LeHun wrote:From both of them.
In article <som0qh$n3c$1...@dont-email.me>, darryl_...@rogers.com
says...
I don't know that it was or wasn't an error on the part of
Mercedes, but it seems to me that they claimed they did not get the
message in time to let Hamilton know.
Do not be fooled!
Lewis most certainly knew that Max was trying to give the place back
and knew exactly what he was trying to do by giving it back at that
part of the track. Lewis decided to hang back and wait until passing
the drs line before receiving the place and Max, seeing that Lewis
was holding back from taking the place, then tried to force the
situation.
It didn't help that Max was already thinking about get back on the
racing line to sipstream Lewis and was meandering somewhat towards the
middle of the track. If he had stayed right he may have got away
without a collision.
Too much gamesmanship too little common sense.
But only Max committed an act which went beyond the bounds.
fuck off asshole
Again... ...adults talking.
On 2021-12-08 2:36 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan LeHun wrote:
In article <som0qh$n3c$1@dont-email.me>, darryl_johnson@rogers.com
says...
I don't know that it was or wasn't an error on the part of
Mercedes, but it seems to me that they claimed they did not get the
message in time to let Hamilton know.
Do not be fooled!
Lewis most certainly knew that Max was trying to give the place back
and knew exactly what he was trying to do by giving it back at that
part of the track. Lewis decided to hang back and wait until passing
the drs line before receiving the place and Max, seeing that Lewis
was holding back from taking the place, then tried to force the
situation.
It didn't help that Max was already thinking about get back on the
racing line to sipstream Lewis and was meandering somewhat towards the
middle of the track. If he had stayed right he may have got away
without a collision.
Too much gamesmanship too little common sense.
From both of them.
But only Max committed an act which went beyond the bounds.
What Lewis should have done, in an ideal world, was take the place
and if Max then overtook him on the next drs straight, demand the
place be given back again as Max would have retained a clear
advantage. However, he had no way of knowing if the stewards would
see it that way.
On 9/12/2021 6:11 am, Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-08 2:36 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan LeHun wrote:
In article <som0qh$n3c$1@dont-email.me>, darryl_johnson@rogers.com
says...
I don't know that it was or wasn't an error on the part of
Mercedes, but it seems to me that they claimed they did not get the
message in time to let Hamilton know.
Do not be fooled!
Lewis most certainly knew that Max was trying to give the place back
and knew exactly what he was trying to do by giving it back at that
part of the track. Lewis decided to hang back and wait until passing
the drs line before receiving the place and Max, seeing that Lewis
was holding back from taking the place, then tried to force the
situation.
It didn't help that Max was already thinking about get back on the
racing line to sipstream Lewis and was meandering somewhat towards the
middle of the track. If he had stayed right he may have got away
without a collision.
Too much gamesmanship too little common sense.
-aFrom both of them.
But only Max committed an act which went beyond the bounds.
What Lewis should have done, in an ideal world, was take the place
and if Max then overtook him on the next drs straight, demand the
place be given back again as Max would have retained a clear
advantage. However, he had no way of knowing if the stewards would
see it that way.
Everybody appears to have forgotten the subsequent weaving. Small though
it was.
On 7/12/2021 11:35 am, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 12/6/2021 2:50 PM, Mark Jackson wrote:
On 12/6/2021 12:06 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-06 2:41 a.m., Heron wrote:
On 12/5/2021 10:31 PM, geoff wrote:
... his too-fast/late breaking/impossibly-hopeful line
running HAM-a off-track just like a race or two ago ?
Or is that now considered OK.
geoff
Hamilton tells Max: Rules donrCOt apply to one of us
https://www.planetf1.com/news/lewis-hamilton-max-verstappen-rule
s-dont-apply/
Without the data, there is no way to tell if Hamilton is correct
about-a "steep heavy braking" by Verstappen, but I very much doubt
it. Mostly-a because actual "braking" wasn't necessary.
Remember, at high speeds, F1 cars produce over 1g of drag from
the wings.
The Stewards, who did have the telemetry data, sayeth:
"In deciding to penalise the driver of Car 33, the key point for
the-a Stewards was that the driver of Car 33 then braked suddenly
(69 bar) and-a significantly, resulting in 2.4g deceleration."
Right, to shake Ham off him, let him pass, so he could continue to
race.-a Too bad the Merc radio failed to inform Ham timely to take the
place. Ham tucked in tight, and a late decision to overtake resulted
in impact. No wonder Wolf threw his headset onto the ground. Total
Merc cock-up.
Lol, so says the self appointed group fool. Now shake your head and
make the bells ring.
First the fool says it didn't happen then he says there was
justification but doesn't mention that the braking was just so that he
(Max) didn't get to the DRS line before Lewis. (Once he did he took off
like a cut cat.)
Dirty driving, pure and simple. I'm sooo pleased the fool isn't a steward.
Got it.
Verstappen wanted Hamilton to pass him. Why would he weave, and
subsequent to what?
So...
If we do it that way, just exactly when would Verstappen have been
allowed to overtake again?
Hamilton takes back the place instead of getting brake-checked.
Up the main straight DRS zone, Verstappen gets DRS, but can't overtake.
So he's right on Hamilton's gearbox going into turn 1.
Can he now overtake?
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