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    From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Dec 12 14:03:42 2021
    Pitting was a win win situation for Mercedes.
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  • From build@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Dec 12 06:41:10 2021
    On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 1:03:44 AM UTC+11, Bigbird wrote:
    Pitting was a win win situation for Mercedes.

    Yes a win win for the best driver.
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Dec 13 04:24:58 2021
    On 13/12/2021 3:03 am, Bigbird wrote:
    Pitting was a win win situation for Mercedes.

    No - track position. The car behind always has the advantage of choice
    above that of the leading car, to gain the lead, or get the choice of tyres.

    geoff
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Dec 12 15:38:44 2021
    geoff wrote:

    On 13/12/2021 3:03 am, Bigbird wrote:
    Pitting was a win win situation for Mercedes.

    No - track position. The car behind always has the advantage of
    choice above that of the leading car, to gain the lead, or get the
    choice of tyres.


    If Max had not pitted Lewis would have had the tyres and car to pass
    him.
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  • From alister@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Dec 12 16:05:24 2021
    On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 15:38:44 -0000 (UTC), Bigbird wrote:

    geoff wrote:

    On 13/12/2021 3:03 am, Bigbird wrote:
    Pitting was a win win situation for Mercedes.

    No - track position. The car behind always has the advantage of choice
    above that of the leading car, to gain the lead, or get the choice of
    tyres.


    If Max had not pitted Lewis would have had the tyres and car to pass
    him.

    Only if there was a restart, & the legality of that is in doubt



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  • From Phil Carmody@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Dec 12 17:50:37 2021
    "Bigbird" <bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com> writes:
    Pitting was a win win situation for Mercedes.

    I presume they thought that there would be no restart of racing?
    As soon as we saw the crash I said "no way they can get that off
    track and unlap the lapped cars by the end of the race". And I
    was right. I don't even think all of the lapped cars had even
    unlapped themselves, had they? And the safety car shouldn't come
    in until a whole lap *after* that, if my memory serves me well.
    (which it rarely does, I will confess). The unlapping rule's a
    farce as it stands, and if Masi's prepared to ignore it, that
    supports my view. But you don't fix bad rules by ignoring them,
    you fix them by removing or replacing them.

    Phil
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Dec 12 16:21:50 2021
    alister wrote:

    On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 15:38:44 -0000 (UTC), Bigbird wrote:

    geoff wrote:

    On 13/12/2021 3:03 am, Bigbird wrote:
    Pitting was a win win situation for Mercedes.

    No - track position. The car behind always has the advantage of
    choice >> above that of the leading car, to gain the lead, or get the
    choice of >> tyres.


    If Max had not pitted Lewis would have had the tyres and car to pass
    him.

    Only if there was a restart, & the legality of that is in doubt

    This thread was about the first SC.
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Dec 12 16:23:12 2021
    Phil Carmody wrote:

    "Bigbird" <bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com> writes:
    Pitting was a win win situation for Mercedes.

    I presume they thought that there would be no restart of racing?
    As soon as we saw the crash I said "no way they can get that off
    track and unlap the lapped cars by the end of the race". And I
    was right. I don't even think all of the lapped cars had even
    unlapped themselves, had they? And the safety car shouldn't come
    in until a whole lap after that, if my memory serves me well.
    (which it rarely does, I will confess). The unlapping rule's a
    farce as it stands, and if Masi's prepared to ignore it, that
    supports my view. But you don't fix bad rules by ignoring them,
    you fix them by removing or replacing them.

    Phil

    Sorry, it's not obvious now but this was posted between SC cars and
    refers to the first one.
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Dec 12 16:25:05 2021
    Phil Carmody wrote:

    "Bigbird" <bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com> writes:
    Pitting was a win win situation for Mercedes.

    I presume they thought that there would be no restart of racing?
    As soon as we saw the crash I said "no way they can get that off
    track and unlap the lapped cars by the end of the race". And I
    was right. I don't even think all of the lapped cars had even
    unlapped themselves, had they? And the safety car shouldn't come
    in until a whole lap after that, if my memory serves me well.
    (which it rarely does, I will confess). The unlapping rule's a
    farce as it stands, and if Masi's prepared to ignore it, that
    supports my view. But you don't fix bad rules by ignoring them,
    you fix them by removing or replacing them.


    I agree they could not stop in response to the 2nd SC.
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  • From alister@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Dec 12 16:30:41 2021
    On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 16:21:50 -0000 (UTC), Bigbird wrote:

    alister wrote:

    On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 15:38:44 -0000 (UTC), Bigbird wrote:

    geoff wrote:

    On 13/12/2021 3:03 am, Bigbird wrote:
    Pitting was a win win situation for Mercedes.

    No - track position. The car behind always has the advantage of
    choice >> above that of the leading car, to gain the lead, or get the
    choice of >> tyres.


    If Max had not pitted Lewis would have had the tyres and car to pass
    him.

    Only if there was a restart, & the legality of that is in doubt

    This thread was about the first SC.

    ok, then I think you are probably correct, taking the cheep stop would probably have been the better discussion (especially with 2020 hindsight),
    I suspect they did not want to risk an "unfortunate" incident with an on
    track pass



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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Dec 12 15:49:39 2021
    On 2021-12-12 6:03 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Pitting was a win win situation for Mercedes.

    So why whine about the race director then?
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Dec 13 00:12:11 2021
    Alan wrote:

    On 2021-12-12 6:03 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Pitting was a win win situation for Mercedes.

    So why whine about the race director then?

    FFS why don't you get a clue before you stick your nose in.

    One has nothing to do with the other.

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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Dec 13 00:15:45 2021
    Alan wrote:

    On 2021-12-12 6:03 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Pitting was a win win situation for Mercedes.

    So why whine about the race director then?

    " It was posted BEFORE this race, twit boy.
    Or is telling time something you learn in school NEXT year?"

    Now check the time of this thread.

    ROTFL

    You really know how to shoot yourself in the foot.

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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Dec 12 16:26:57 2021
    On 2021-12-12 4:12 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2021-12-12 6:03 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Pitting was a win win situation for Mercedes.

    So why whine about the race director then?

    FFS why don't you get a clue before you stick your nose in.

    One has nothing to do with the other.


    Sorry, but you're wrong.
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Dec 12 16:40:02 2021
    On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 5:26:59 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    Sorry, but you're wrong.

    sorry is for pussys
    you fucking pussy
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Dec 13 10:06:39 2021
    Alan wrote:

    On 2021-12-12 4:12 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2021-12-12 6:03 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Pitting was a win win situation for Mercedes.

    So why whine about the race director then?

    FFS why don't you get a clue before you stick your nose in.

    One has nothing to do with the other.


    Sorry, but you're wrong.

    Be sorry for being a conceited, intransigent, clueless jerk.

    What has the VSC got to do with the post race controversy?

    BTW when you say whining you know that is just the voice you hear in
    your head when you read.

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