The guy was on a hiding to nothing, if he let all the lapped cars past
then the race would have finished behind the safety car and nobody would have been happy (especially Red Bull). If he kept all the lapped cars in place then Red Bull would have screamed to high heaven. So he tried to
set up a one on one one lap winner takes all. Unfortunately Mercs
tactics made it a foregone conclusion.
So whos at fault? Masi, Mercs strategists, Latifi or who?
The guy was on a hiding to nothing, if he let all the lapped cars
past then the race would have finished behind the safety car and
nobody would have been happy (especially Red Bull).
If he kept all
the lapped cars in place then Red Bull would have screamed to high
heaven.
So he tried to set up a one on one one lap winner takes all.
Unfortunately Mercs tactics made it a foregone conclusion.
So whos at fault? Masi, Mercs strategists, Latifi or who?
keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
The guy was on a hiding to nothing, if he let all the lapped cars past
then the race would have finished behind the safety car and nobody would
have been happy (especially Red Bull). If he kept all the lapped cars in
place then Red Bull would have screamed to high heaven. So he tried to
set up a one on one one lap winner takes all. Unfortunately Mercs
tactics made it a foregone conclusion.
So whos at fault? Masi, Mercs strategists, Latifi or who?
Masi. In a race like this, you rule in line with past precedent. He
didn't.
keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
The guy was on a hiding to nothing, if he let all the lapped cars past
then the race would have finished behind the safety car and nobody
would have been happy (especially Red Bull). If he kept all the lapped
cars in place then Red Bull would have screamed to high heaven. So he
tried to set up a one on one one lap winner takes all. Unfortunately
Mercs tactics made it a foregone conclusion.
So whos at fault? Masi, Mercs strategists, Latifi or who?
Masi. In a race like this, you rule in line with past precedent. He
didn't.
The guy was on a hiding to nothing, if he let all the lapped cars past
then the race would have finished behind the safety car and nobody would have been happy (especially Red Bull). If he kept all the lapped cars in place then Red Bull would have screamed to high heaven. So he tried to
set up a one on one one lap winner takes all. Unfortunately Mercs
tactics made it a foregone conclusion.
So whos at fault? Masi, Mercs strategists, Latifi or who?
On 2021-12-13 4:41 a.m., Mark wrote:
keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
The guy was on a hiding to nothing, if he let all the lapped cars past
then the race would have finished behind the safety car and nobody would >>> have been happy (especially Red Bull). If he kept all the lapped cars in >>> place then Red Bull would have screamed to high heaven. So he tried to
set up a one on one one lap winner takes all. Unfortunately Mercs
tactics made it a foregone conclusion.
So whos at fault? Masi, Mercs strategists, Latifi or who?
Masi. In a race like this, you rule in line with past precedent. He
didn't.
I'm sorry, but are you a lawyer or a motor racing official?
I'll go with Masi's words to Toto Wolff:
"Toto, it's called a motor race, okay? We went car racing."
Hamilton should have worked harder to keep Verstappen behind him.
Perez did it to him for one lap after all, and Perez was on very old
softs when he did it.
Hamilton didn't even defend the inside going into turn 5. Michael Masi
is definitely not responsible for that. When Verstappen came to both
turn 6 and turn 9, you better believe he was defending the inside.
On 14/12/2021 1:24 am, keithr0 wrote:
The guy was on a hiding to nothing, if he let all the lapped cars past
then the race would have finished behind the safety car and nobody
would have been happy (especially Red Bull). If he kept all the lapped
cars in place then Red Bull would have screamed to high heaven. So he
tried to set up a one on one one lap winner takes all. Unfortunately
Mercs tactics made it a foregone conclusion.
So whos at fault? Masi, Mercs strategists, Latifi or who?
Plenty of precedent for ending the race under safety-car.
No precedent whatsoever for what he did.
On 14/12/2021 7:55 am, Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-13 4:41 a.m., Mark wrote:
keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
The guy was on a hiding to nothing, if he let all the lapped cars past >>>> then the race would have finished behind the safety car and nobody
would
have been happy (especially Red Bull). If he kept all the lapped
cars in
place then Red Bull would have screamed to high heaven. So he tried to >>>> set up a one on one one lap winner takes all. Unfortunately Mercs
tactics made it a foregone conclusion.
So whos at fault? Masi, Mercs strategists, Latifi or who?
Masi. In a race like this, you rule in line with past precedent. He
didn't.
I'm sorry, but are you a lawyer or a motor racing official?
I'll go with Masi's words to Toto Wolff:
"Toto, it's called a motor race, okay? We went car racing."
No, we went car-procession followed by an unearned and gifted win.
Hamilton should have worked harder to keep Verstappen behind him.
Like you would have or could have ?
Perez did it to him for one lap after all, and Perez was on very old
softs when he did it.
Hamilton didn't even defend the inside going into turn 5. Michael Masi
is definitely not responsible for that. When Verstappen came to both
turn 6 and turn 9, you better believe he was defending the inside.
Maybe you should write in offering to tutor him on how to defend ?
On 2021-12-13 1:12 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 14/12/2021 1:24 am, keithr0 wrote:
The guy was on a hiding to nothing, if he let all the lapped cars
past then the race would have finished behind the safety car and
nobody would have been happy (especially Red Bull). If he kept all
the lapped cars in place then Red Bull would have screamed to high
heaven. So he tried to set up a one on one one lap winner takes all.
Unfortunately Mercs tactics made it a foregone conclusion.
So whos at fault? Masi, Mercs strategists, Latifi or who?
Plenty of precedent for ending the race under safety-car.
No precedent whatsoever for what he did.
How do you know that?
Have you reviewed every safety car incident since the rule was introduced?
Honestly: if this had happened in the middle of the season, no one here would have batted an eye.
On 2021-12-13 1:17 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 14/12/2021 7:55 am, Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-13 4:41 a.m., Mark wrote:
keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
The guy was on a hiding to nothing, if he let all the lapped cars past >>>>> then the race would have finished behind the safety car and nobody
would
have been happy (especially Red Bull). If he kept all the lapped
cars in
place then Red Bull would have screamed to high heaven. So he tried to >>>>> set up a one on one one lap winner takes all. Unfortunately Mercs
tactics made it a foregone conclusion.
So whos at fault? Masi, Mercs strategists, Latifi or who?
Masi. In a race like this, you rule in line with past precedent. He
didn't.
I'm sorry, but are you a lawyer or a motor racing official?
I'll go with Masi's words to Toto Wolff:
"Toto, it's called a motor race, okay? We went car racing."
No, we went car-procession followed by an unearned and gifted win.
Hamilton should have worked harder to keep Verstappen behind him.
Like you would have or could have ?
How about like Perez did to him: hard but fair?
Perez did it to him for one lap after all, and Perez was on very old
softs when he did it.
Hamilton didn't even defend the inside going into turn 5. Michael
Masi is definitely not responsible for that. When Verstappen came to
both turn 6 and turn 9, you better believe he was defending the inside.
Maybe you should write in offering to tutor him on how to defend ?
Maybe someone should...
...because he gifted Verstappen the inside opportunity at turn 5.
On 2021-12-13 1:12 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 14/12/2021 1:24 am, keithr0 wrote:
The guy was on a hiding to nothing, if he let all the lapped cars
past then the race would have finished behind the safety car and
nobody would have been happy (especially Red Bull). If he kept
all the lapped cars in place then Red Bull would have screamed
to high heaven. So he tried to set up a one on one one lap
winner takes all. Unfortunately Mercs tactics made it a foregone conclusion.
So whos at fault? Masi, Mercs strategists, Latifi or who?
Plenty of precedent for ending the race under safety-car.
No precedent whatsoever for what he did.
How do you know that?
Have you reviewed every safety car incident since the rule was
introduced?
Honestly: if this had happened in the middle of the season, no one
here would have batted an eye.
On 14/12/2021 10:31 am, Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-13 1:12 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 14/12/2021 1:24 am, keithr0 wrote:
The guy was on a hiding to nothing, if he let all the lapped cars
past then the race would have finished behind the safety car and
nobody would have been happy (especially Red Bull). If he kept all
the lapped cars in place then Red Bull would have screamed to high
heaven. So he tried to set up a one on one one lap winner takes all.
Unfortunately Mercs tactics made it a foregone conclusion.
So whos at fault? Masi, Mercs strategists, Latifi or who?
Plenty of precedent for ending the race under safety-car.
No precedent whatsoever for what he did.
How do you know that?
Somebody back here a wee way did exactly that - posted a list of races
(last races of season-a even ?) ended under safety car.
And a list of races ended under this circumstances - ie none.
Have you reviewed every safety car incident since the rule was
introduced?
No, but I wouldn't be surprised if you had, with your skewed biased POV
when it suited you.
Honestly: if this had happened in the middle of the season, no one
here would have batted an eye.
No. Because it had never been done in that manner before. Nobody would
have ever thought of that permutation of the rules being vaguely possible.
On 14/12/2021 10:32 am, Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-13 1:17 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 14/12/2021 7:55 am, Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-13 4:41 a.m., Mark wrote:
keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
The guy was on a hiding to nothing, if he let all the lapped cars >>>>>> past
then the race would have finished behind the safety car and nobody >>>>>> would
have been happy (especially Red Bull). If he kept all the lapped
cars in
place then Red Bull would have screamed to high heaven. So he
tried to
set up a one on one one lap winner takes all. Unfortunately Mercs
tactics made it a foregone conclusion.
So whos at fault? Masi, Mercs strategists, Latifi or who?
Masi. In a race like this, you rule in line with past precedent. He
didn't.
I'm sorry, but are you a lawyer or a motor racing official?
I'll go with Masi's words to Toto Wolff:
"Toto, it's called a motor race, okay? We went car racing."
No, we went car-procession followed by an unearned and gifted win.
Hamilton should have worked harder to keep Verstappen behind him.
Like you would have or could have ?
How about like Perez did to him: hard but fair?
Perez did it to him for one lap after all, and Perez was on very oldMaybe you should write in offering to tutor him on how to defend ?
softs when he did it.
Hamilton didn't even defend the inside going into turn 5. Michael
Masi is definitely not responsible for that. When Verstappen came to
both turn 6 and turn 9, you better believe he was defending the inside. >>>
Maybe someone should...
...because he gifted Verstappen the inside opportunity at turn 5.
Or maybe he knew his tyres better than you knew his tyres, and didn't
want to take out VER, or be taken out by VER, or lose control given his speed, trajectory, and braking.
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-13 1:12 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 14/12/2021 1:24 am, keithr0 wrote:
The guy was on a hiding to nothing, if he let all the lapped cars
past then the race would have finished behind the safety car and
nobody would have been happy (especially Red Bull). If he kept
all the lapped cars in place then Red Bull would have screamed
to high heaven. So he tried to set up a one on one one lap
winner takes all. Unfortunately Mercs tactics made it a foregone
conclusion.
So whos at fault? Masi, Mercs strategists, Latifi or who?
Plenty of precedent for ending the race under safety-car.
No precedent whatsoever for what he did.
How do you know that?
Have you reviewed every safety car incident since the rule was
introduced?
Honestly: if this had happened in the middle of the season, no one
here would have batted an eye.
Don't be so bloody stupid.
You may not mind the regs being flouted, nor pay close enough attention
to note that this has never happened before but a lot of us are quite
fed up with the inconsistency of even subjective calls no matter a
clear disregard of the written regulations.
On 2021-12-13 1:17 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 14/12/2021 7:55 am, Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-13 4:41 a.m., Mark wrote:
keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
The guy was on a hiding to nothing, if he let all the lapped
cars past then the race would have finished behind the safety
car and nobody would have been happy (especially Red Bull).
If he kept all the lapped cars in place then Red Bull would
have screamed to high heaven. So he tried to set up a one on
one one lap winner takes all. Unfortunately Mercs tactics
made it a foregone conclusion.
So whos at fault? Masi, Mercs strategists, Latifi or who?
Masi. In a race like this, you rule in line with past
precedent. He didn't.
I'm sorry, but are you a lawyer or a motor racing official?
I'll go with Masi's words to Toto Wolff:
"Toto, it's called a motor race, okay? We went car racing."
No, we went car-procession followed by an unearned and gifted win.
Hamilton should have worked harder to keep Verstappen behind him.
Like you would have or could have ?
How about like Perez did to him: hard but fair?
Perez did it to him for one lap after all, and Perez was on very
old softs when he did it.
Hamilton didn't even defend the inside going into turn 5. Michael
Masi is definitely not responsible for that. When Verstappen
came to both turn 6 and turn 9, you better believe he was
defending the inside.
Maybe you should write in offering to tutor him on how to defend ?
Maybe someone should...
...because he gifted Verstappen the inside opportunity at turn 5.
On 2021-12-13 1:50 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-13 1:12 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 14/12/2021 1:24 am, keithr0 wrote:
The guy was on a hiding to nothing, if he let all the lapped
cars past then the race would have finished behind the
safety car and nobody would have been happy (especially Red
Bull). If he kept all the lapped cars in place then Red Bull
would have screamed to high heaven. So he tried to set up a
one on one one lap winner takes all. Unfortunately Mercs
tactics made it a foregone conclusion.
So whos at fault? Masi, Mercs strategists, Latifi or who?
Plenty of precedent for ending the race under safety-car.
No precedent whatsoever for what he did.
How do you know that?
Have you reviewed every safety car incident since the rule was introduced?
Honestly: if this had happened in the middle of the season, no one
here would have batted an eye.
Don't be so bloody stupid.
You may not mind the regs being flouted, nor pay close enough
attention to note that this has never happened before but a lot of
us are quite fed up with the inconsistency of even subjective calls
no matter a clear disregard of the written regulations.
If you're claiming you know for a FACT that it has never happened
before that not all cars have been allowed to unlap themselves, or
that the safety car has never come in before the "following lap"...
.
On 2021-12-13 1:44 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 14/12/2021 10:31 am, Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-13 1:12 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 14/12/2021 1:24 am, keithr0 wrote:
The guy was on a hiding to nothing, if he let all the lapped
cars past then the race would have finished behind the
safety car and nobody would have been happy (especially Red
Bull). If he kept all the lapped cars in place then Red Bull
would have screamed to high heaven. So he tried to set up a
one on one one lap winner takes all. Unfortunately Mercs
tactics made it a foregone conclusion.
So whos at fault? Masi, Mercs strategists, Latifi or who?
Plenty of precedent for ending the race under safety-car.
No precedent whatsoever for what he did.
How do you know that?
Somebody back here a wee way did exactly that - posted a list of
races (last races of season-a even ?) ended under safety car.
And a list of races ended under this circumstances - ie none.
"Somebody", huh?
Let's see it.
Have you reviewed every safety car incident since the rule was introduced?
No, but I wouldn't be surprised if you had, with your skewed biased
POV when it suited you.
Nope. I honestly don't know.
On 2021-12-13 1:12 p.m., geoff wrote:
No precedent whatsoever for what he did.
How do you know that?
Have you reviewed every safety car incident since the rule was introduced?
Honestly: if this had happened in the middle of the season, no one here would have batted an eye.
On 2021-12-13 1:50 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-13 1:12 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 14/12/2021 1:24 am, keithr0 wrote:
The guy was on a hiding to nothing, if he let all the lapped cars
past-a then the race would have finished behind the safety car and
nobody-a would have been happy (especially Red Bull). If he kept
all the lapped-a cars in place then Red Bull would have screamed
to high heaven. So he-a tried to set up a one on one one lap
winner takes all. Unfortunately-a Mercs tactics made it a foregone
conclusion.
So whos at fault? Masi, Mercs strategists, Latifi or who?
Plenty of precedent for ending the race under safety-car.
No precedent whatsoever for what he did.
How do you know that?
Have you reviewed every safety car incident since the rule was
introduced?
Honestly: if this had happened in the middle of the season, no one
here would have batted an eye.
Don't be so bloody stupid.
You may not mind the regs being flouted, nor pay close enough attention
to note that this has never happened before but a lot of us are quite
fed up with the inconsistency of even subjective calls no matter a
clear disregard of the written regulations.
If you're claiming you know for a FACT that it has never happened before that not all cars have been allowed to unlap themselves, or that the
safety car has never come in before the "following lap"...
...you're just a liar.
On 14/12/2021 11:01 am, Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-13 1:50 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-13 1:12 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 14/12/2021 1:24 am, keithr0 wrote:
The guy was on a hiding to nothing, if he let all the lapped cars
past then the race would have finished behind the safety car and
nobody would have been happy (especially Red Bull). If he kept
all the lapped cars in place then Red Bull would have screamed
to high heaven. So he tried to set up a one on one one lap
winner takes all. Unfortunately Mercs tactics made it a foregone
conclusion.
So whos at fault? Masi, Mercs strategists, Latifi or who?
Plenty of precedent for ending the race under safety-car.
No precedent whatsoever for what he did.
How do you know that?
Have you reviewed every safety car incident since the rule was
introduced?
Honestly: if this had happened in the middle of the season, no one
here would have batted an eye.
Don't be so bloody stupid.
You may not mind the regs being flouted, nor pay close enough attention
to note that this has never happened before but a lot of us are quite
fed up with the inconsistency of even subjective calls no matter a
clear disregard of the written regulations.
If you're claiming you know for a FACT that it has never happened
before that not all cars have been allowed to unlap themselves, or
that the safety car has never come in before the "following lap"...
...you're just a liar.
You are the one who's favourite line is "prove it". So rather than attempting to deflect (as per normal), simply prove it.
On 2021-12-13 4:16 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 14/12/2021 11:01 am, Alan wrote:attention
On 2021-12-13 1:50 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-13 1:12 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 14/12/2021 1:24 am, keithr0 wrote:
The guy was on a hiding to nothing, if he let all the lapped cars
past-a then the race would have finished behind the safety car and
nobody-a would have been happy (especially Red Bull). If he kept
all the lapped-a cars in place then Red Bull would have screamed
to high heaven. So he-a tried to set up a one on one one lap
winner takes all. Unfortunately-a Mercs tactics made it a foregone
conclusion.
So whos at fault? Masi, Mercs strategists, Latifi or who?
Plenty of precedent for ending the race under safety-car.
No precedent whatsoever for what he did.
How do you know that?
Have you reviewed every safety car incident since the rule was
introduced?
Honestly: if this had happened in the middle of the season, no one
here would have batted an eye.
Don't be so bloody stupid.
You may not mind the regs being flouted, nor pay close enough
to note that this has never happened before but a lot of us are quite
fed up with the inconsistency of even subjective calls no matter a
clear disregard of the written regulations.
If you're claiming you know for a FACT that it has never happened
before that not all cars have been allowed to unlap themselves, or
that the safety car has never come in before the "following lap"...
...you're just a liar.
You are the one who's favourite line is "prove it". So rather than attempting to deflect (as per normal), simply prove it.
I'm not the one claiming that this move is without precedent.
I have the FIA's rejection of both of Mercedes protests on my side.
On 14/12/2021 1:34 pm, Alan wrote:cars
On 2021-12-13 4:16 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 14/12/2021 11:01 am, Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-13 1:50 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-13 1:12 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 14/12/2021 1:24 am, keithr0 wrote:
The guy was on a hiding to nothing, if he let all the lapped
car andpast then the race would have finished behind the safety
foregonenobody would have been happy (especially Red Bull). If he kept
all the lapped cars in place then Red Bull would have screamed
to high heaven. So he tried to set up a one on one one lap
winner takes all. Unfortunately Mercs tactics made it a
As I said, it's not my place to claim anything.attentionconclusion.
So whos at fault? Masi, Mercs strategists, Latifi or who?
Plenty of precedent for ending the race under safety-car.
No precedent whatsoever for what he did.
How do you know that?
Have you reviewed every safety car incident since the rule was
introduced?
Honestly: if this had happened in the middle of the season, no one
here would have batted an eye.
Don't be so bloody stupid.
You may not mind the regs being flouted, nor pay close enough
quiteto note that this has never happened before but a lot of us are
fed up with the inconsistency of even subjective calls no matter a
clear disregard of the written regulations.
If you're claiming you know for a FACT that it has never happened
before that not all cars have been allowed to unlap themselves, or
that the safety car has never come in before the "following lap"...
...you're just a liar.
You are the one who's favourite line is "prove it". So rather than
attempting to deflect (as per normal), simply prove it.
I'm not the one claiming that this move is without precedent.
I have the FIA's rejection of both of Mercedes protests on my side.
So I guess that is a "can't prove it" then.
On 2021-12-13 6:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 14/12/2021 1:34 pm, Alan wrote:car and
On 2021-12-13 4:16 p.m., geoff wrote:
-a > On 14/12/2021 11:01 am, Alan wrote:
-a >> On 2021-12-13 1:50 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
-a >>> Alan wrote:
-a >>>
-a >>>> On 2021-12-13 1:12 p.m., geoff wrote:
-a >>>>> On 14/12/2021 1:24 am, keithr0 wrote:
-a >>>>>> The guy was on a hiding to nothing, if he let all the lapped cars
-a >>>>>> past-a then the race would have finished behind the safety
-a >>>>>> nobody-a would have been happy (especially Red Bull). If he kept
-a >>>>>> all the lapped-a cars in place then Red Bull would have screamed
-a >>>>>> to high heaven. So he-a tried to set up a one on one one lap
-a >>>>>> winner takes all. Unfortunately-a Mercs tactics made it a foregone
-a >>>>>> conclusion.
-a >>>>>>
-a >>>>>> So whos at fault? Masi, Mercs strategists, Latifi or who?
-a >>>>>
-a >>>>> Plenty of precedent for ending the race under safety-car.
-a >>>>>
-a >>>>> No precedent whatsoever for what he did.
-a >>>>
-a >>>> How do you know that?
-a >>>>
-a >>>> Have you reviewed every safety car incident since the rule was
-a >>>> introduced?
-a >>>>
-a >>>> Honestly: if this had happened in the middle of the season, no one
-a >>>> here would have batted an eye.
-a >>>
-a >>> Don't be so bloody stupid.
-a >>>
-a >>> You may not mind the regs being flouted, nor pay close enough
attention
-a >>> to note that this has never happened before but a lot of us are
quite
-a >>> fed up with the inconsistency of even subjective calls no matter a
-a >>> clear disregard of the written regulations.
-a >>
-a >> If you're claiming you know for a FACT that it has never happened
-a >> before that not all cars have been allowed to unlap themselves, or
-a >> that the safety car has never come in before the "following lap"...
-a >>
-a >> ...you're just a liar.
-a >
-a > You are the one who's favourite line is "prove it". So rather than
-a > attempting to deflect (as per normal), simply prove it.
I'm not the one claiming that this move is without precedent.
I have the FIA's rejection of both of Mercedes protests on my side.
So I guess that is a "can't prove it" then.As I said, it's not my place to claim anything.
Others have claimed there is no precedent for this.
Let them prove it.
In the absence of that, I have the rejection of Mercedes's protests.
On 14/12/2021 3:38 pm, Alan wrote:happened
On 2021-12-13 6:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 14/12/2021 1:34 pm, Alan wrote:lapped cars
On 2021-12-13 4:16 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 14/12/2021 11:01 am, Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-13 1:50 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-13 1:12 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 14/12/2021 1:24 am, keithr0 wrote:
The guy was on a hiding to nothing, if he let all the
car andpast then the race would have finished behind the safety
keptnobody would have been happy (especially Red Bull). If he
screamedall the lapped cars in place then Red Bull would have
foregoneto high heaven. So he tried to set up a one on one one lap
winner takes all. Unfortunately Mercs tactics made it a
no oneconclusion.
So whos at fault? Masi, Mercs strategists, Latifi or who?
Plenty of precedent for ending the race under safety-car.
No precedent whatsoever for what he did.
How do you know that?
Have you reviewed every safety car incident since the rule was
introduced?
Honestly: if this had happened in the middle of the season,
matter aattentionhere would have batted an eye.
Don't be so bloody stupid.
You may not mind the regs being flouted, nor pay close enough
quiteto note that this has never happened before but a lot of us are
fed up with the inconsistency of even subjective calls no
clear disregard of the written regulations.
If you're claiming you know for a FACT that it has never
thanthemselves, orbefore that not all cars have been allowed to unlap
lap"...that the safety car has never come in before the "following
...you're just a liar.
You are the one who's favourite line is "prove it". So rather
As I said, it's not my place to claim anything.attempting to deflect (as per normal), simply prove it.
I'm not the one claiming that this move is without precedent.
I have the FIA's rejection of both of Mercedes protests on my side.
So I guess that is a "can't prove it" then.
Others have claimed there is no precedent for this.
Let them prove it.
In the absence of that, I have the rejection of Mercedes's protests.
Pathetic. Why don't you just admit that the is no precedent ? Nobody in
the media, teams, or commentators has even suggested that there is a precedent - quite the opposite.
Maybe, jut maybe, there is none.
On 2021-12-13 8:08 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 14/12/2021 3:38 pm, Alan wrote:happened
On 2021-12-13 6:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 14/12/2021 1:34 pm, Alan wrote:lapped cars
On 2021-12-13 4:16 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 14/12/2021 11:01 am, Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-13 1:50 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-13 1:12 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 14/12/2021 1:24 am, keithr0 wrote:
The guy was on a hiding to nothing, if he let all the
car andpast then the race would have finished behind the safety
keptnobody would have been happy (especially Red Bull). If he
screamedall the lapped cars in place then Red Bull would have
foregoneto high heaven. So he tried to set up a one on one one lap
winner takes all. Unfortunately Mercs tactics made it a
no oneconclusion.
So whos at fault? Masi, Mercs strategists, Latifi or who?
Plenty of precedent for ending the race under safety-car.
No precedent whatsoever for what he did.
How do you know that?
Have you reviewed every safety car incident since the rule was
introduced?
Honestly: if this had happened in the middle of the season,
matter aattentionhere would have batted an eye.
Don't be so bloody stupid.
You may not mind the regs being flouted, nor pay close enough
quiteto note that this has never happened before but a lot of us are
fed up with the inconsistency of even subjective calls no
clear disregard of the written regulations.
If you're claiming you know for a FACT that it has never
thanthemselves, orbefore that not all cars have been allowed to unlap
lap"...that the safety car has never come in before the "following
...you're just a liar.
You are the one who's favourite line is "prove it". So rather
As I said, it's not my place to claim anything.attempting to deflect (as per normal), simply prove it.
I'm not the one claiming that this move is without precedent.
I have the FIA's rejection of both of Mercedes protests on my side.
So I guess that is a "can't prove it" then.
Others have claimed there is no precedent for this.
Let them prove it.
In the absence of that, I have the rejection of Mercedes's protests.
Pathetic. Why don't you just admit that the is no precedent ? Nobody in the media, teams, or commentators has even suggested that there is a precedent - quite the opposite.
Maybe, jut maybe, there is none.Maybe there isn't.
But no one posting HERE knows whether or not that's true.
But they're all busily posted as if the know it all.
On 2021-12-13 8:08 p.m., geoff wrote:
Maybe, jut maybe,
Maybe
But they're all busily posted as if the know it all.
Maybe, jut maybe,
But they're all busily posted as if the know it all.
keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
The guy was on a hiding to nothing, if he let all the lapped cars past
then the race would have finished behind the safety car and nobody would
have been happy (especially Red Bull). If he kept all the lapped cars in
place then Red Bull would have screamed to high heaven. So he tried to
set up a one on one one lap winner takes all. Unfortunately Mercs
tactics made it a foregone conclusion.
So whos at fault? Masi, Mercs strategists, Latifi or who?
Masi. In a race like this, you rule in line with past precedent. He
didn't.
On 13/12/2021 10:41 pm, Mark wrote:would
keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
The guy was on a hiding to nothing, if he let all the lapped cars past
then the race would have finished behind the safety car and nobody
cars inhave been happy (especially Red Bull). If he kept all the lapped
lap.AFAIK there was no precedent for the situation, the championship goingplace then Red Bull would have screamed to high heaven. So he tried to
set up a one on one one lap winner takes all. Unfortunately Mercs
tactics made it a foregone conclusion.
So whos at fault? Masi, Mercs strategists, Latifi or who?
Masi. In a race like this, you rule in line with past precedent. He
didn't.
to the winner in the last race and a safety car so close to the final
I see what Masi was trying to do, whether that was right or wrong I
leave that to those with more inside knowledge that is displayed around here.
I do feel that there would be less hand wringing around here had the
result gone the other way, it is kind of sad for Hamilton that he had a likely victory taken away by events beyond his control, but he is hardly
the first to suffer that.
On 2021-12-13 1:12 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 14/12/2021 1:24 am, keithr0 wrote:
The guy was on a hiding to nothing, if he let all the lapped cars past
then the race would have finished behind the safety car and nobody
would have been happy (especially Red Bull). If he kept all the lapped
cars in place then Red Bull would have screamed to high heaven. So he
tried to set up a one on one one lap winner takes all. Unfortunately
Mercs tactics made it a foregone conclusion.
So whos at fault? Masi, Mercs strategists, Latifi or who?
Plenty of precedent for ending the race under safety-car.
No precedent whatsoever for what he did.
How do you know that?
Have you reviewed every safety car incident since the rule was introduced?
Honestly: if this had happened in the middle of the season, no one here >would have batted an eye.
On 2021-12-13 6:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 14/12/2021 1:34 pm, Alan wrote:cars
On 2021-12-13 4:16 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 14/12/2021 11:01 am, Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-13 1:50 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-13 1:12 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 14/12/2021 1:24 am, keithr0 wrote:
The guy was on a hiding to nothing, if he let all the lapped
car andpast then the race would have finished behind the safety
foregonenobody would have been happy (especially Red Bull). If he kept
all the lapped cars in place then Red Bull would have screamed
to high heaven. So he tried to set up a one on one one lap
winner takes all. Unfortunately Mercs tactics made it a
attentionconclusion.
So whos at fault? Masi, Mercs strategists, Latifi or who?
Plenty of precedent for ending the race under safety-car.
No precedent whatsoever for what he did.
How do you know that?
Have you reviewed every safety car incident since the rule was
introduced?
Honestly: if this had happened in the middle of the season, no one >> >>>> here would have batted an eye.
Don't be so bloody stupid.
You may not mind the regs being flouted, nor pay close enough
quiteto note that this has never happened before but a lot of us are
fed up with the inconsistency of even subjective calls no matter a
clear disregard of the written regulations.
If you're claiming you know for a FACT that it has never happened
before that not all cars have been allowed to unlap themselves, or
that the safety car has never come in before the "following lap"...
...you're just a liar.
You are the one who's favourite line is "prove it". So rather than
attempting to deflect (as per normal), simply prove it.
I'm not the one claiming that this move is without precedent.
I have the FIA's rejection of both of Mercedes protests on my side.
So I guess that is a "can't prove it" then.As I said, it's not my place to claim anything.
Others have claimed there is no precedent for this.
Let them prove it.
In the absence of that, I have the rejection of Mercedes's protests.
On 2021-12-13 10:23 p.m., keithr0 wrote:
On 13/12/2021 10:41 pm, Mark wrote:cars in
keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
The guy was on a hiding to nothing, if he let all the lapped cars past
then the race would have finished behind the safety car and nobody would
have been happy (especially Red Bull). If he kept all the lapped
lap.AFAIK there was no precedent for the situation, the championship goingplace then Red Bull would have screamed to high heaven. So he tried to
set up a one on one one lap winner takes all. Unfortunately Mercs
tactics made it a foregone conclusion.
So whos at fault? Masi, Mercs strategists, Latifi or who?
Masi. In a race like this, you rule in line with past precedent. He
didn't.
to the winner in the last race and a safety car so close to the final
I see what Masi was trying to do, whether that was right or wrong I
leave that to those with more inside knowledge that is displayed around here.
I do feel that there would be less hand wringing around here had the result gone the other way, it is kind of sad for Hamilton that he had a likely victory taken away by events beyond his control, but he is hardly the first to suffer that.
The last reason he lost was that he failed to defend the inside into
turn 5...
...and that one was all on him.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2021-12-13 1:12 p.m., geoff wrote:
No precedent whatsoever for what he did.
How do you know that?
Have you reviewed every safety car incident since the rule was introduced? >>
Honestly: if this had happened in the middle of the season, no one here
would have batted an eye.
That is simply untrue.
On 13/12/2021 10:41 pm, Mark wrote:
keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:AFAIK there was no precedent for the situation, the championship going to the winner in the last
The guy was on a hiding to nothing, if he let all the lapped cars past
then the race would have finished behind the safety car and nobody would >>> have been happy (especially Red Bull). If he kept all the lapped cars in >>> place then Red Bull would have screamed to high heaven. So he tried to
set up a one on one one lap winner takes all. Unfortunately Mercs
tactics made it a foregone conclusion.
So whos at fault? Masi, Mercs strategists, Latifi or who?
Masi. In a race like this, you rule in line with past precedent. He
didn't.
race and a safety car so close to the final lap.
I see what Masi was trying to do, whether that was right or wrong I leave that to those with more
inside knowledge that is displayed around here.
I do feel that there would be less hand wringing around here had the result gone the other way, it
is kind of sad for Hamilton that he had a likely victory taken away by events beyond his control,
but he is hardly the first to suffer that.
On 14/12/2021 8:38 pm, Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-13 10:23 p.m., keithr0 wrote:
On 13/12/2021 10:41 pm, Mark wrote:past
keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
The guy was on a hiding to nothing, if he let all the lapped cars
nobody wouldthen the race would have finished behind the safety car and
cars inhave been happy (especially Red Bull). If he kept all the lapped
tried toplace then Red Bull would have screamed to high heaven. So he
final lap.AFAIK there was no precedent for the situation, the championship going >> -a> to the winner in the last race and a safety car so close to theset up a one on one one lap winner takes all. Unfortunately Mercs
tactics made it a foregone conclusion.
So whos at fault? Masi, Mercs strategists, Latifi or who?
Masi. In a race like this, you rule in line with past precedent. He
didn't.
around
I see what Masi was trying to do, whether that was right or wrong I
leave that to those with more inside knowledge that is displayed
here.had a
I do feel that there would be less hand wringing around here had the
result gone the other way, it is kind of sad for Hamilton that he
likely victory taken away by events beyond his control, but he ishardly
the first to suffer that.
The last reason he lost was that he failed to defend the inside into
turn 5...
...and that one was all on him.
Even if you were right (not suggesting your assertion is actually
correct), VER would certainly still have got past with his fresh soft
tyres.
On 13/12/2021 10:41 pm, Mark wrote:
keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
The guy was on a hiding to nothing, if he let all the lapped cars
past then the race would have finished behind the safety car and
nobody would have been happy (especially Red Bull). If he kept
all the lapped cars in place then Red Bull would have screamed to
high heaven. So he tried to set up a one on one one lap winner
takes all. Unfortunately Mercs tactics made it a foregone
conclusion.
So whos at fault? Masi, Mercs strategists, Latifi or who?
Masi. In a race like this, you rule in line with past precedent. He
didn't.
AFAIK there was no precedent for the situation, the championship
going to the winner in the last race and a safety car so close to the
final lap.
I see what Masi was trying to do, whether that was right or wrong I
leave that to those with more inside knowledge that is displayed
around here.
I do feel that there would be less hand wringing around here had the
result gone the other way, it is kind of sad for Hamilton that he had
a likely victory taken away by events beyond his control, but he is
hardly the first to suffer that.
On 2021-12-14 1:07 a.m., geoff wrote:
On 14/12/2021 8:38 pm, Alan wrote:cars past >>-a>>> then the race would have finished behind the safety
On 2021-12-13 10:23 p.m., keithr0 wrote:
On 13/12/2021 10:41 pm, Mark wrote:
keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
The guy was on a hiding to nothing, if he let all the lapped
car and nobody would >>-a>>> have been happy (especially Red Bull).
If he kept all the lapped cars in >>-a>>> place then Red Bull would
have screamed to high heaven. So he tried to >>-a>>> set up a one on
one one lap winner takes all. Unfortunately Mercs >>-a>>> tactics made
it a foregone conclusion.
precedent. He >>-a>> didn't.
So whos at fault? Masi, Mercs strategists, Latifi or who?
Masi. In a race like this, you rule in line with past
going >>-a> to the winner in the last race and a safety car so closeAFAIK there was no precedent for the situation, the championship
to the final lap.
wrong I >>-a> leave that to those with more inside knowledge that is displayed around >>-a> here.I see what Masi was trying to do, whether that was right or
the >>-a> result gone the other way, it is kind of sad for HamiltonI do feel that there would be less hand wringing around here had
that he had a >>-a> likely victory taken away by events beyond his
control, but he is hardly >>-a> the first to suffer that.
The last reason he lost was that he failed to defend the inside
into turn 5...
...and that one was all on him.
Even if you were right (not suggesting your assertion is actually
correct), VER would certainly still have got past with his fresh
soft tyres.
Eventually... ...maybe.
But Hamilton had to hold him off for LESS than one lap.
There are really only three bonafide overtaking opportunities at Abu
Dhabi:
Turn 5
Turn 6/7
Turn 9
Defending the inside at turn 5 was racing 101.
On 2021-12-14 1:07 a.m., geoff wrote:
Even if you were right (not suggesting your assertion is actually
correct), VER would certainly still have got past with his fresh soft
tyres.
Eventually... ...maybe.
But Hamilton had to hold him off for LESS than one lap.
There are really only three bonafide overtaking opportunities at Abu Dhabi:
Turn 5
Turn 6/7
Turn 9
Defending the inside at turn 5 was racing 101.
Again:
Perez on very old soft tires held off Hamilton for pretty much an entire lap.
On 2021-12-13 1:50 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-13 1:12 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 14/12/2021 1:24 am, keithr0 wrote:
The guy was on a hiding to nothing, if he let all the lapped cars
past then the race would have finished behind the safety car and
nobody would have been happy (especially Red Bull). If he kept all
the lapped cars in place then Red Bull would have screamed to high
heaven. So he tried to set up a one on one one lap winner takes
all. Unfortunately Mercs tactics made it a foregone conclusion.
So whos at fault? Masi, Mercs strategists, Latifi or who?
Plenty of precedent for ending the race under safety-car.
No precedent whatsoever for what he did.
How do you know that?
Have you reviewed every safety car incident since the rule was
introduced?
Honestly: if this had happened in the middle of the season, no one
here would have batted an eye.
Don't be so bloody stupid.
You may not mind the regs being flouted, nor pay close enough attention
to note that this has never happened before but a lot of us are quite
fed up with the inconsistency of even subjective calls no matter a
clear disregard of the written regulations.
If you're claiming you know for a FACT that it has never happened before
that not all cars have been allowed to unlap themselves, or that the
safety car has never come in before the "following lap"...
...you're just a liar.
On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 14:01:00 -0800, Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-13 1:50 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-13 1:12 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 14/12/2021 1:24 am, keithr0 wrote:
The guy was on a hiding to nothing, if he let all the lapped cars
past then the race would have finished behind the safety car and
nobody would have been happy (especially Red Bull). If he kept all >>>>>> the lapped cars in place then Red Bull would have screamed to high >>>>>> heaven. So he tried to set up a one on one one lap winner takes
all. Unfortunately Mercs tactics made it a foregone conclusion.
So whos at fault? Masi, Mercs strategists, Latifi or who?
Plenty of precedent for ending the race under safety-car.
No precedent whatsoever for what he did.
How do you know that?
Have you reviewed every safety car incident since the rule was
introduced?
Honestly: if this had happened in the middle of the season, no one
here would have batted an eye.
Don't be so bloody stupid.
You may not mind the regs being flouted, nor pay close enough attention
to note that this has never happened before but a lot of us are quite
fed up with the inconsistency of even subjective calls no matter a
clear disregard of the written regulations.
If you're claiming you know for a FACT that it has never happened before
that not all cars have been allowed to unlap themselves, or that the
safety car has never come in before the "following lap"...
...you're just a liar.
the rule clearly states FOLLOWING lap
it has been posted in full numerous times
are you claiming that this is not so?
On 2021-12-14 4:13 a.m., alister wrote:
On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 14:01:00 -0800, Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-13 1:50 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-13 1:12 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 14/12/2021 1:24 am, keithr0 wrote:
The guy was on a hiding to nothing, if he let all the
lapped cars past then the race would have finished
behind the safety car and nobody would have been happy (especially Red Bull). If he kept all the lapped cars in
place then Red Bull would have screamed to high heaven.
So he tried to set up a one on one one lap winner takes
all. Unfortunately Mercs tactics made it a foregone
conclusion.
So whos at fault? Masi, Mercs strategists, Latifi or who?
Plenty of precedent for ending the race under safety-car.
No precedent whatsoever for what he did.
How do you know that?
Have you reviewed every safety car incident since the rule was introduced?
Honestly: if this had happened in the middle of the season,
no one here would have batted an eye.
Don't be so bloody stupid.
You may not mind the regs being flouted, nor pay close enough
attention to note that this has never happened before but a lot
of us are quite fed up with the inconsistency of even
subjective calls no matter a clear disregard of the written regulations.
If you're claiming you know for a FACT that it has never happened
before that not all cars have been allowed to unlap themselves,
or that the safety car has never come in before the "following
lap"...
...you're just a liar.
the rule clearly states FOLLOWING lap
it has been posted in full numerous times
are you claiming that this is not so?
No.
I'm stating that to present as factual that which you know you do not
have full knowledge of...
...is just another way of lying.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2021-12-14 1:07 a.m., geoff wrote:
Even if you were right (not suggesting your assertion is actually
correct), VER would certainly still have got past with his fresh soft
tyres.
Eventually... ...maybe.
But Hamilton had to hold him off for LESS than one lap.
There are really only three bonafide overtaking opportunities at Abu Dhabi: >>
Turn 5
Turn 6/7
Turn 9
Defending the inside at turn 5 was racing 101.
Again:
Perez on very old soft tires held off Hamilton for pretty much an entire
lap.
Now I *know* you're trolling.
Hamilton simply couldn't afford any contact with Perez in the earlier situation. And, no, before anyone suggests it, I am *not* suggesting any dirty tricks from Perez, but he could certainly aggressively defend in
the knowledge that:
a) Hamilton is going to avoid contact; and
b) Even if he's aggressive, the consequences of such contact are
much worse for Hamilton/Mercedes than for Red Bull.
That is just a very different situation to Verstappen on fresh rubber
chasing down Hamilton. If there was contact between the two of them (particularly given the dire warnings about contact given during the preceding week) the risk would be about being declassified...in which
event (no matter where Verstappen ended up) he would also lose.
This was a no-win situation the second the Race Director made it a
single lap sprint pitting Hamilton on worn tyres against Verstappen on
fresh tyres with no obstructions.
Go on: directly address that. If you *really* know anything about
racing, you know this is true. If you change the subject again, it just
shows you are deliberately obfuscating the discussion.
I do not have a problem with most of this race. I *do* have problems
(with Hamilton, Verstappen, Mercedes *and* Red Bull) in different ways
at different points earlier in the season. The Race Director and
stewards have created a problem that has come to a climax in the final
race. IF it had ended under the SC (or similar) such that Hamilton won,
it would have been a somewhat contentious/compromised outcome. IF it had ended with different calls putting Verstappen ahead and winning the race there would have been a different set of recriminations.
The issue for me is this: Masi took a number of "peculiar" positions on
the ending of the SC that conflict with the accepted interpretation of
the rules. No matter how much people play lawyer with "X overrides Y",
the fact that this happened in an unprecedented* way in the one way that guaranteed a specific impact on the result looks bad.
That Masi and his rulings have become the story is a problem.
* If you are unhappy with "unprecedented", you need only state the
precedent. It doesn't even have to be precisely the same context, just
show me in a grand prix in the past 30 years (quite a long time, lots
of SC periods) where the race director both partially unlapped the
cars and called the SC in the same lap rather than the "following
lap".
On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 23:01:38 -0000 (UTC), Mark <mpconmy@gmail.com>
wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2021-12-13 1:12 p.m., geoff wrote:
No precedent whatsoever for what he did.
How do you know that?
Have you reviewed every safety car incident since the rule was introduced? >>>
Honestly: if this had happened in the middle of the season, no one here
would have batted an eye.
That is simply untrue.
What would you know, have you ever driven a racing car? ... :)
On 2021-12-14 4:13 a.m., alister wrote:
On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 14:01:00 -0800, Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-13 1:50 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-13 1:12 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 14/12/2021 1:24 am, keithr0 wrote:
The guy was on a hiding to nothing, if he let all the lapped cars >>>>>>> past then the race would have finished behind the safety car and >>>>>>> nobody would have been happy (especially Red Bull). If he kept
all the lapped cars in place then Red Bull would have screamed to >>>>>>> high heaven. So he tried to set up a one on one one lap winner
takes all. Unfortunately Mercs tactics made it a foregone
conclusion.
So whos at fault? Masi, Mercs strategists, Latifi or who?
Plenty of precedent for ending the race under safety-car.
No precedent whatsoever for what he did.
How do you know that?
Have you reviewed every safety car incident since the rule was
introduced?
Honestly: if this had happened in the middle of the season, no one
here would have batted an eye.
Don't be so bloody stupid.
You may not mind the regs being flouted, nor pay close enough
attention to note that this has never happened before but a lot of us
are quite fed up with the inconsistency of even subjective calls no
matter a clear disregard of the written regulations.
If you're claiming you know for a FACT that it has never happened
before that not all cars have been allowed to unlap themselves, or
that the safety car has never come in before the "following lap"...
...you're just a liar.
the rule clearly states FOLLOWING lap it has been posted in full
numerous times are you claiming that this is not so?
No.
I'm stating that to present as factual that which you know you do not
have full knowledge of...
...is just another way of lying.
On 2021-12-14 4:13 a.m., alister wrote:OK, here is a simple question.
On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 14:01:00 -0800, Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-13 1:50 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-13 1:12 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 14/12/2021 1:24 am, keithr0 wrote:
The guy was on a hiding to nothing, if he let all the lapped cars >>>>>> past then the race would have finished behind the safety car and >>>>>> nobody would have been happy (especially Red Bull). If he kept all >>>>>> the lapped cars in place then Red Bull would have screamed to high >>>>>> heaven. So he tried to set up a one on one one lap winner takes >>>>>> all. Unfortunately Mercs tactics made it a foregone conclusion. >>>>>>
So whos at fault? Masi, Mercs strategists, Latifi or who?
Plenty of precedent for ending the race under safety-car.
No precedent whatsoever for what he did.
How do you know that?
Have you reviewed every safety car incident since the rule was
introduced?
Honestly: if this had happened in the middle of the season, no one
here would have batted an eye.
Don't be so bloody stupid.
You may not mind the regs being flouted, nor pay close enough attention >>> to note that this has never happened before but a lot of us are quite >>> fed up with the inconsistency of even subjective calls no matter a
clear disregard of the written regulations.
If you're claiming you know for a FACT that it has never happened before >> that not all cars have been allowed to unlap themselves, or that the
safety car has never come in before the "following lap"...
...you're just a liar.
the rule clearly states FOLLOWING lapNo.
it has been posted in full numerous times
are you claiming that this is not so?
I'm stating that to present as factual that which you know you do not
have full knowledge of...
...is just another way of lying.
On 14/12/2021 10:07 pm, Martin Harran wrote:
On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 23:01:38 -0000 (UTC), Mark <mpconmy@gmail.com>
wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2021-12-13 1:12 p.m., geoff wrote:
No precedent whatsoever for what he did.
How do you know that?
Have you reviewed every safety car incident since the rule was introduced? >>>>
Honestly: if this had happened in the middle of the season, no one here >>>> would have batted an eye.
That is simply untrue.
What would you know, have you ever driven a racing car? ... :)
I drove a go-kart, but got overtaken at turn 5.
Here is an apparently comprehensive listing of all SC deployments
in F1 history.
https://f1.fandom.com/wiki/Safety_Car#Safety_car_finishes
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