?Quite simply, there is a requirement in the sporting regulations to
wave ALL the lapped cars past.
"So I think from that point, it was position six onwards that were
still running, so it would have been 10 or 11 cars that had to unlap themselves and therefore, the safety car period was a bit longer than
what we would have normally expected.??
https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/57984/fia-reveal-regulation-quirk-to-blame-for-lengthy-nurburgring-safety-car/
-oQuite simply, there is a requirement in the sporting regulations toblame-for-lengthy-nurburgring-safety-car/
wave ALL the lapped cars past.
"So I think from that point, it was position six onwards that were still running, so it would have been 10 or 11 cars that had to unlap
themselves and therefore, the safety car period was a bit longer than
what we would have normally expected.-o?
https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/57984/fia-reveal-regulation-quirk-to-
On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 11:45:56 -0000 (UTC), Bigbird wrote:
-oQuite simply, there is a requirement in the sporting regulations to
wave ALL the lapped cars past.
"So I think from that point, it was position six onwards that were
still running, so it would have been 10 or 11 cars that had to unlap themselves and therefore, the safety car period was a bit longer
than what we would have normally expected.-o?
blame-for-lengthy-nurburgring-safety-car/
Why are we still feeding Alan the chance to argue on lapped cars &
ignoring the most important bit of rule 48.12
the safety care will come in on the FOLLOWING lap.
as the rules stand teither the restart should have been with no
unlapped cars or it should have been delayed for a lap.
This rule was not followed
alister wrote:
On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 11:45:56 -0000 (UTC), Bigbird wrote:https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/57984/fia-reveal-regulation-quirk-to-
-oQuite simply, there is a requirement in the sporting regulations to
wave ALL the lapped cars past.
"So I think from that point, it was position six onwards that were
still running, so it would have been 10 or 11 cars that had to unlap
themselves and therefore, the safety car period was a bit longer than
what we would have normally expected.-o?
blame-for-lengthy-nurburgring-safety-car/It's not all about Alan. RBR argued that "any" does not mean "all" as if
Why are we still feeding Alan the chance to argue on lapped cars &
ignoring the most important bit of rule 48.12
the semantics were worthy of consideration. The above demonstrates the
RD disagreeing and as there is no precedent for not following the regs
in this respect it further demonstrates that the RD was stepping outside
his remit.
the safety care will come in on the FOLLOWING lap.If you would like to see Masi's precedent on that aspect note that in Nurburgring he left the SC out for an extra lap...
"VerstappenrCOs initial rCLanything to make it more interestingrCY outburst was because the safety car was left out for almost two full laps after
the lapped cars were let past.
And it appears the safety was left out one lap longer than required by
the regulations because Daniil Kvyat, the last lapped car, did pass the safety car just before the finish line."
https://the-race.com/formula-1/masi-justifies-safety-car-that-enraged-hamilton-verstappen/
as the rules stand teither the restart should have been with no
unlapped cars or it should have been delayed for a lap.
This rule was not followed
On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 13:17:30 -0000 (UTC), Bigbird wrote:
alister wrote:
regulations to >> > wave ALL the lapped cars past.On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 11:45:56 -0000 (UTC), Bigbird wrote:
-oQuite simply, there is a requirement in the sporting
were >> > still running, so it would have been 10 or 11 cars that had
"So I think from that point, it was position six onwards that
to unlap >> > themselves and therefore, the safety car period was a
bit longer than >> > what we would have normally expected.-o?
blame-for-lengthy-nurburgring-safety-car/It's not all about Alan. RBR argued that "any" does not mean "all"
Why are we still feeding Alan the chance to argue on lapped cars &
ignoring the most important bit of rule 48.12
as if the semantics were worthy of consideration. The above
demonstrates the RD disagreeing and as there is no precedent for
not following the regs in this respect it further demonstrates that
the RD was stepping outside his remit.
So Redbull were also playing the distraction game to mask the real
problem with the way things went down and Merc seem to have let them
get away with it instead of stressing the fundamental issue.
the safety care will come in on the FOLLOWING lap.If you would like to see Masi's precedent on that aspect note that
in Nurburgring he left the SC out for an extra lap...
"VerstappenrCOs initial rCLanything to make it more interestingrCY
outburst was because the safety car was left out for almost two
full laps after the lapped cars were let past.
And it appears the safety was left out one lap longer than required
by the regulations because Daniil Kvyat, the last lapped car, did
pass the safety car just before the finish line."
That again coverd in the cited rule 48.12 paragph as it starts
"Unless the clerk of the course considers the
presence of the safety car is still necessary,"
So the safty car can stay out lionger than 1 lap if needed but NOT
fewer.
We are in agreement that Sunday was a farce but you are arguing over
the wrong point.
It is like arguing weather someone's Christmas tree ornaments are
wrong when the tree has been put up in August!
alister wrote:
On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 13:17:30 -0000 (UTC), Bigbird wrote:https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/57984/fia-reveal-regulation-quirk-to-
alister wrote:regulations to >> > wave ALL the lapped cars past.
On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 11:45:56 -0000 (UTC), Bigbird wrote:
-oQuite simply, there is a requirement in the sporting
were >> > still running, so it would have been 10 or 11 cars that had
"So I think from that point, it was position six onwards that
to unlap >> > themselves and therefore, the safety car period was a bit
longer than >> > what we would have normally expected.-o?
It's a counter argument to those put forward by the protagonists.So Redbull were also playing the distraction game to mask the realblame-for-lengthy-nurburgring-safety-car/It's not all about Alan. RBR argued that "any" does not mean "all" as
Why are we still feeding Alan the chance to argue on lapped cars &
ignoring the most important bit of rule 48.12
if the semantics were worthy of consideration. The above
demonstrates the RD disagreeing and as there is no precedent for not
following the regs in this respect it further demonstrates that the
RD was stepping outside his remit.
problem with the way things went down and Merc seem to have let them
get away with it instead of stressing the fundamental issue.
That again coverd in the cited rule 48.12 paragph as it starts "Unlessthe safety care will come in on the FOLLOWING lap.If you would like to see Masi's precedent on that aspect note that in
Nurburgring he left the SC out for an extra lap...
"VerstappenrCOs initial rCLanything to make it more interestingrCY outburst
was because the safety car was left out for almost two full laps
after the lapped cars were let past.
And it appears the safety was left out one lap longer than required
by the regulations because Daniil Kvyat, the last lapped car, did
pass the safety car just before the finish line."
the clerk of the course considers the presence of the safety car is
still necessary,"
So the safty car can stay out lionger than 1 lap if needed but NOT
fewer.
We are in agreement that Sunday was a farce but you are arguing over
the wrong point.
I know that you think the only argument needed is the "following" lap
one but if you want to demonstrate the abnormality of the decision
making then it is better to knock all the bricks down.
It is like arguing weather someone's Christmas tree ornaments are wrong
when the tree has been put up in August!
On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 19:38:20 -0000 (UTC), Bigbird wrote:
alister wrote:
had >> to unlap >> > themselves and therefore, the safety car periodOn Tue, 14 Dec 2021 13:17:30 -0000 (UTC), Bigbird wrote:
alister wrote:regulations to >> > wave ALL the lapped cars past.
On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 11:45:56 -0000 (UTC), Bigbird wrote:
-oQuite simply, there is a requirement in the sporting
were >> > still running, so it would have been 10 or 11 cars that
"So I think from that point, it was position six onwards that
was a bit >> longer than >> > what we would have normally expected.-o?
cars & >> >> ignoring the most important bit of rule 48.12blame-for-lengthy-nurburgring-safety-car/
Why are we still feeding Alan the chance to argue on lapped
"all" as >> > if the semantics were worthy of consideration. TheIt's not all about Alan. RBR argued that "any" does not mean
above >> > demonstrates the RD disagreeing and as there is no
precedent for not >> > following the regs in this respect it further demonstrates that the >> > RD was stepping outside his remit.
them >> get away with it instead of stressing the fundamental issue.So Redbull were also playing the distraction game to mask the real
problem with the way things went down and Merc seem to have let
that in >> > Nurburgring he left the SC out for an extra lap...
the safety care will come in on the FOLLOWING lap.If you would like to see Masi's precedent on that aspect note
full laps >> > after the lapped cars were let past.
"VerstappenrCOs initial rCLanything to make it more interestingrCY outburst >> > was because the safety car was left out for almost two
required >> > by the regulations because Daniil Kvyat, the lastAnd it appears the safety was left out one lap longer than
lapped car, did >> > pass the safety car just before the finish line."
"Unless >> the clerk of the course considers the presence of theThat again coverd in the cited rule 48.12 paragph as it starts
safety car is >> still necessary,"
over >> the wrong point.
So the safty car can stay out lionger than 1 lap if needed but NOT
fewer.
We are in agreement that Sunday was a farce but you are arguing
It's a counter argument to those put forward by the protagonists.
I know that you think the only argument needed is the "following"
lap one but if you want to demonstrate the abnormality of the
decision making then it is better to knock all the bricks down.
Yes but that only works if you knock down all the bricks.
Alan has be deliberately avoiding the other issue because he has no
argument against it.
alister wrote:
On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 19:38:20 -0000 (UTC), Bigbird wrote:https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/57984/fia-reveal-regulation-quirk-to-
alister wrote:had >> to unlap >> > themselves and therefore, the safety car period
On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 13:17:30 -0000 (UTC), Bigbird wrote:
alister wrote:regulations to >> > wave ALL the lapped cars past.
On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 11:45:56 -0000 (UTC), Bigbird wrote:
-oQuite simply, there is a requirement in the sporting
were >> > still running, so it would have been 10 or 11 cars that
"So I think from that point, it was position six onwards that
was a bit >> longer than >> > what we would have normally expected.-o?
I think you have made that abundantly clear. I'm sure that Alan iscars & >> >> ignoring the most important bit of rule 48.12blame-for-lengthy-nurburgring-safety-car/
Why are we still feeding Alan the chance to argue on lapped
"all" as >> > if the semantics were worthy of consideration. The aboveIt's not all about Alan. RBR argued that "any" does not mean
not >> > following the regs in this respect it further demonstratesdemonstrates the RD disagreeing and as there is no precedent for
that the >> > RD was stepping outside his remit.
them >> get away with it instead of stressing the fundamental issue.So Redbull were also playing the distraction game to mask the real
problem with the way things went down and Merc seem to have let
that in >> > Nurburgring he left the SC out for an extra lap...
the safety care will come in on the FOLLOWING lap.If you would like to see Masi's precedent on that aspect note
outburst >> > was because the safety car was left out for almost two
"VerstappenrCOs initial rCLanything to make it more interestingrCY
full laps >> > after the lapped cars were let past.
required >> > by the regulations because Daniil Kvyat, the last lappedAnd it appears the safety was left out one lap longer than
car, did >> > pass the safety car just before the finish line."
"Unless >> the clerk of the course considers the presence of the safetyThat again coverd in the cited rule 48.12 paragph as it starts
car is >> still necessary,"
over >> the wrong point.
So the safty car can stay out lionger than 1 lap if needed but NOT
fewer.
We are in agreement that Sunday was a farce but you are arguing
Yes but that only works if you knock down all the bricks.It's a counter argument to those put forward by the protagonists.
I know that you think the only argument needed is the "following"
lap one but if you want to demonstrate the abnormality of the
decision making then it is better to knock all the bricks down.
Alan has be deliberately avoiding the other issue because he has no
argument against it.
thrilled that you only want to talk about him. He is very good at
getting people's attention much like a child having a tantrum in a supermarket... only we are allowed to slap Alan.
On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 19:38:20 -0000 (UTC), Bigbird wrote:
alister wrote:Yes but that only works if you knock down all the bricks.
On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 13:17:30 -0000 (UTC), Bigbird wrote:https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/57984/fia-reveal-regulation-quirk-to- >>>>> blame-for-lengthy-nurburgring-safety-car/
alister wrote:regulations to >> > wave ALL the lapped cars past.
On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 11:45:56 -0000 (UTC), Bigbird wrote:
-oQuite simply, there is a requirement in the sporting
were >> > still running, so it would have been 10 or 11 cars that had
"So I think from that point, it was position six onwards that
to unlap >> > themselves and therefore, the safety car period was a bit
longer than >> > what we would have normally expected.-o?
It's a counter argument to those put forward by the protagonists.So Redbull were also playing the distraction game to mask the realIt's not all about Alan. RBR argued that "any" does not mean "all" as
Why are we still feeding Alan the chance to argue on lapped cars &
ignoring the most important bit of rule 48.12
if the semantics were worthy of consideration. The above
demonstrates the RD disagreeing and as there is no precedent for not
following the regs in this respect it further demonstrates that the
RD was stepping outside his remit.
problem with the way things went down and Merc seem to have let them
get away with it instead of stressing the fundamental issue.
That again coverd in the cited rule 48.12 paragph as it starts "Unlessthe safety care will come in on the FOLLOWING lap.If you would like to see Masi's precedent on that aspect note that in
Nurburgring he left the SC out for an extra lap...
"VerstappenrCOs initial rCLanything to make it more interestingrCY outburst
was because the safety car was left out for almost two full laps
after the lapped cars were let past.
And it appears the safety was left out one lap longer than required
by the regulations because Daniil Kvyat, the last lapped car, did
pass the safety car just before the finish line."
the clerk of the course considers the presence of the safety car is
still necessary,"
So the safty car can stay out lionger than 1 lap if needed but NOT
fewer.
We are in agreement that Sunday was a farce but you are arguing over
the wrong point.
I know that you think the only argument needed is the "following" lap
one but if you want to demonstrate the abnormality of the decision
making then it is better to knock all the bricks down.
Alan has be deliberately avoiding the other issue because he has no
argument against it.
It is like arguing weather someone's Christmas tree ornaments are wrong
when the tree has been put up in August!
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