<https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/59666530>
On Wednesday, December 15, 2021 at 7:34:39 AM UTC-6, Brian Lawrence wrote:
<https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/59666530>
Serious question from the rebellious colonies - what is he wearing on his collar? (Not the ribbon, the diamond-shaped collar stay thing.)
Does it have something to do with the knighthood or is it just a personal fashion choice?
I can't say that I've ever seen that particular accessory.
-a <https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/59666530>
On 12/15/2021 8:34 AM, Brian Lawrence wrote:
-a <https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/59666530>
Participation Trophy?
News wrote:
On 12/15/2021 8:34 AM, Brian Lawrence wrote:
-a <https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/59666530>
Participation Trophy?
7/8 WDC; GOAT
That's some participation.
News wrote:
On 12/15/2021 8:34 AM, Brian Lawrence wrote:
a <https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/59666530>
Participation Trophy?
7/8 WDC; GOAT
That's some participation.
On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 16:16:22 -0000 (UTC), "Bigbird" <bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
News wrote:
On 12/15/2021 8:34 AM, Brian Lawrence wrote:
a <https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/59666530>
Participation Trophy?
7/8 WDC; GOAT
That's some participation.
Meanwhile ....
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/59588859
Eddie Jordan reckons Hamilton has become too nice :)
On 12/15/2021 11:16 AM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 12/15/2021 8:34 AM, Brian Lawrence wrote:
-a <https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/59666530>
Participation Trophy?
7/8 WDC; GOAT
That's some participation.
GOAT* with an asterisk: * In the GameBoy era.
News wrote:
On 12/15/2021 11:16 AM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 12/15/2021 8:34 AM, Brian Lawrence wrote:
-a <https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/59666530>
Participation Trophy?
7/8 WDC; GOAT
That's some participation.
GOAT* with an asterisk: * In the GameBoy era.
Haters* gotta hate; losers* remain losers.
*That's you that is. :-D
On 12/15/2021 1:25 PM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 12/15/2021 11:16 AM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 12/15/2021 8:34 AM, Brian Lawrence wrote:
-a <https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/59666530>
Participation Trophy?
7/8 WDC; GOAT
That's some participation.
GOAT* with an asterisk: * In the GameBoy era.
Haters* gotta hate; losers* remain losers.
*That's you that is. :-D
Objective reality isn't your strength, apparently.
News wrote:
On 12/15/2021 1:25 PM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 12/15/2021 11:16 AM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 12/15/2021 8:34 AM, Brian Lawrence wrote:
-a <https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/59666530>
Participation Trophy?
7/8 WDC; GOAT
That's some participation.
GOAT* with an asterisk: * In the GameBoy era.
Haters* gotta hate; losers* remain losers.
*That's you that is. :-D
Objective reality isn't your strength, apparently.
"Participation Trophy?"
Sure, I'm the one having trouble with "objective reality"*.
*for most of the less mentally challenged there is just "reality".
LOL!!!
So tell me how "objective reality" can be a "strength"?
Perhaps you should refer back to what I said about losers.
On 12/15/2021 2:55 PM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 12/15/2021 1:25 PM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 12/15/2021 11:16 AM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 12/15/2021 8:34 AM, Brian Lawrence wrote:
-a <https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/59666530>
Participation Trophy?
7/8 WDC; GOAT
That's some participation.
GOAT* with an asterisk: * In the GameBoy era.
Haters* gotta hate; losers* remain losers.
*That's you that is. :-D
Objective reality isn't your strength, apparently.
"Participation Trophy?"
Sure, I'm the one having trouble with "objective reality"*.
*for most of the less mentally challenged there is just "reality".
LOL!!!
So tell me how "objective reality" can be a "strength"?
Perhaps you should refer back to what I said about losers.
Perhaps you should consider that thinking you won is prima facie
evidence of your complete lack of objective reality.
News wrote:
On 12/15/2021 2:55 PM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 12/15/2021 1:25 PM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 12/15/2021 11:16 AM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 12/15/2021 8:34 AM, Brian Lawrence wrote:
-a <https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/59666530>
Participation Trophy?
7/8 WDC; GOAT
That's some participation.
GOAT* with an asterisk: * In the GameBoy era.
Haters* gotta hate; losers* remain losers.
*That's you that is. :-D
Objective reality isn't your strength, apparently.
"Participation Trophy?"
Sure, I'm the one having trouble with "objective reality"*.
*for most of the less mentally challenged there is just "reality".
LOL!!!
So tell me how "objective reality" can be a "strength"?
Perhaps you should refer back to what I said about losers.
Perhaps you should consider that thinking you won is prima facie
evidence of your complete lack of objective reality.
Sounds like you think I won something.
What do you think I won?
How low is your self esteem? Limbo much?
On 12/15/2021 3:49 PM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 12/15/2021 2:55 PM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 12/15/2021 1:25 PM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 12/15/2021 11:16 AM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 12/15/2021 8:34 AM, Brian Lawrence wrote:
-a <https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/59666530>
Participation Trophy?
7/8 WDC; GOAT
That's some participation.
GOAT* with an asterisk: * In the GameBoy era.
Haters* gotta hate; losers* remain losers.
*That's you that is. :-D
Objective reality isn't your strength, apparently.
"Participation Trophy?"
Sure, I'm the one having trouble with "objective reality"*.
*for most of the less mentally challenged there is just
"reality".
LOL!!!
So tell me how "objective reality" can be a "strength"?
Perhaps you should refer back to what I said about losers.
Perhaps you should consider that thinking you won is prima facie
evidence of your complete lack of objective reality.
Sounds like you think I won something.
What do you think I won?
How low is your self esteem? Limbo much?
What do you think you won? Your esteem, a line painted on the floor?
On 12/15/2021 3:49 PM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 12/15/2021 2:55 PM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 12/15/2021 1:25 PM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 12/15/2021 11:16 AM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 12/15/2021 8:34 AM, Brian Lawrence wrote:
-a-a <https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/59666530>
Participation Trophy?
7/8 WDC; GOAT
That's some participation.
GOAT* with an asterisk: * In the GameBoy era.
Haters* gotta hate; losers* remain losers.
*That's you that is. :-D
Objective reality isn't your strength, apparently.
"Participation Trophy?"
Sure, I'm the one having trouble with "objective reality"*.
*for most of the less mentally challenged there is just "reality".
LOL!!!
So tell me how "objective reality" can be a "strength"?
Perhaps you should refer back to what I said about losers.
Perhaps you should consider that thinking you won is prima facie
evidence of your complete lack of objective reality.
Sounds like you think I won something.
What do you think I won?
How low is your self esteem? Limbo much?
What do you think you won? Your esteem, a line painted on the floor?
News wrote:
On 12/15/2021 3:49 PM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 12/15/2021 2:55 PM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 12/15/2021 1:25 PM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 12/15/2021 11:16 AM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 12/15/2021 8:34 AM, Brian Lawrence wrote:
-a <https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/59666530>
Participation Trophy?
7/8 WDC; GOAT
That's some participation.
GOAT* with an asterisk: * In the GameBoy era.
Haters* gotta hate; losers* remain losers.
*That's you that is. :-D
Objective reality isn't your strength, apparently.
"Participation Trophy?"
Sure, I'm the one having trouble with "objective reality"*.
*for most of the less mentally challenged there is just
"reality".
LOL!!!
So tell me how "objective reality" can be a "strength"?
Perhaps you should refer back to what I said about losers.
Perhaps you should consider that thinking you won is prima facie
evidence of your complete lack of objective reality.
Sounds like you think I won something.
What do you think I won?
How low is your self esteem? Limbo much?
What do you think you won? Your esteem, a line painted on the floor?
You're repeating yourself and borrowing from me like you are flustered
and can't think for yourself.
NOW you are really making me feel like you think I won...something...
but not something to boast about. Perhaps you just realise you are a
pathetic loser.
I'd stop drawing attention to it if I were as unfortunate. It's the "objective reality".
On 12/15/2021 4:04 PM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 12/15/2021 3:49 PM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 12/15/2021 2:55 PM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 12/15/2021 1:25 PM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 12/15/2021 11:16 AM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 12/15/2021 8:34 AM, Brian Lawrence wrote:
-a <https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/59666530>
Participation Trophy?
7/8 WDC; GOAT
That's some participation.
GOAT* with an asterisk: * In the GameBoy era.
Haters* gotta hate; losers* remain losers.
*That's you that is. :-D
Objective reality isn't your strength, apparently.
"Participation Trophy?"
Sure, I'm the one having trouble with "objective reality"*.
*for most of the less mentally challenged there is just
"reality".
LOL!!!
So tell me how "objective reality" can be a "strength"?
Perhaps you should refer back to what I said about losers.
Perhaps you should consider that thinking you won is prima
facie evidence of your complete lack of objective reality.
Sounds like you think I won something.
What do you think I won?
How low is your self esteem? Limbo much?
What do you think you won? Your esteem, a line painted on the
floor?
You're repeating yourself and borrowing from me like you are
flustered and can't think for yourself.
NOW you are really making me feel like you think I
won...something... but not something to boast about. Perhaps you
just realise you are a pathetic loser.
I'd stop drawing attention to it if I were as unfortunate. It's the "objective reality".
Self-examining your self-esteem, below that line painted on the floor?
See a therapist.
7/8 WDC; GOAT
That's some participation.
-a <https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/59666530>
On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 16:16:22 -0000 (UTC), "Bigbird" <bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
News wrote:
On 12/15/2021 8:34 AM, Brian Lawrence wrote:
-a <https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/59666530>
Participation Trophy?
7/8 WDC; GOAT
That's some participation.
Meanwhile ....
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/59588859
Eddie Jordan reckons Hamilton has become too nice :)
On 12/15/2021 1:25 PM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 12/15/2021 11:16 AM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 12/15/2021 8:34 AM, Brian Lawrence wrote:
-a-a <https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/59666530>
Participation Trophy?
7/8 WDC; GOAT
That's some participation.
GOAT* with an asterisk: * In the GameBoy era.
Haters* gotta hate; losers* remain losers.
*That's you that is. :-D
Objective reality isn't your strength, apparently.
In article <xn0n6nvnu39k4v8008@news.eternal-september.org>, bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com says...
7/8 WDC; GOAT
That's some participation.
GOAT??????????
Hamilton made a lucky/clever (choose one) decision to join Mercedes when he did. If Alonso, Vettel or probably half a dozen other drivers had got that seat, they would be the one with the full trophy cabinet.
Even Rosberg, in the same Mercedes, was able to get a WDC. And George
Russell was able to just jump in to the Mercedes and go faster than anybody else first time out.
So well done Mercedes on their 8th Constructors Championship, but the
driver was never anything more than a cog in the machine, and very rarely
did anything exceptional with it.
In article <xn0n6nvnu39k4v8008@news.eternal-september.org>, bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com says...
7/8 WDC; GOAT
That's some participation.
GOAT??????????
Hamilton made a lucky/clever (choose one) decision to join Mercedes when he did. If Alonso, Vettel or probably half a dozen other drivers had got that seat, they would be the one with the full trophy cabinet.
Even Rosberg, in the same Mercedes, was able to get a WDC. And George
Russell was able to just jump in to the Mercedes and go faster than anybody else first time out.
So well done Mercedes on their 8th Constructors Championship, but the
driver was never anything more than a cog in the machine, and very rarely
did anything exceptional with it.
In article <xn0n6nvnu39k4v8008@news.eternal-september.org>, bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com says...
7/8 WDC; GOAT
That's some participation.
GOAT??????????
Hamilton made a lucky/clever (choose one) decision to join Mercedes when he did. If Alonso, Vettel or probably half a dozen other drivers had got that seat, they would be the one with the full trophy cabinet.
Even Rosberg, in the same Mercedes, was able to get a WDC. And George
Russell was able to just jump in to the Mercedes and go faster than anybody else first time out.
So well done Mercedes on their 8th Constructors Championship, but the
driver was never anything more than a cog in the machine, and very rarely
did anything exceptional with it.
In article <xn0n6nvnu39k4v8008@news.eternal-september.org>, bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com says...
7/8 WDC; GOAT
That's some participation.
GOAT??????????
Hamilton made a lucky/clever (choose one) decision to join Mercedes
when he did. If Alonso, Vettel or probably half a dozen other drivers
had got that seat, they would be the one with the full trophy cabinet.
Even Rosberg, in the same Mercedes, was able to get a WDC. And George Russell was able to just jump in to the Mercedes and go faster than
anybody else first time out.
So well done Mercedes on their 8th Constructors Championship, but the
driver was never anything more than a cog in the machine, and very
rarely did anything exceptional with it.
In article <xn0n6nvnu39k4v8008@news.eternal-september.org>, bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com says...
7/8 WDC; GOAT
That's some participation.
GOAT??????????
Hamilton made a lucky/clever (choose one) decision to join Mercedes when he did. If Alonso, Vettel or probably half a dozen other drivers had got that seat, they would be the one with the full trophy cabinet.
Even Rosberg, in the same Mercedes, was able to get a WDC. And George
Russell was able to just jump in to the Mercedes and go faster than anybody else first time out.
So well done Mercedes on their 8th Constructors Championship, but the
driver was never anything more than a cog in the machine, and very rarely
did anything exceptional with it.
News wrote:
On 12/15/2021 4:04 PM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 12/15/2021 3:49 PM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 12/15/2021 2:55 PM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 12/15/2021 1:25 PM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 12/15/2021 11:16 AM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 12/15/2021 8:34 AM, Brian Lawrence wrote:
-a <https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/59666530>
Participation Trophy?
7/8 WDC; GOAT
That's some participation.
GOAT* with an asterisk: * In the GameBoy era.
Haters* gotta hate; losers* remain losers.
*That's you that is. :-D
Objective reality isn't your strength, apparently.
"Participation Trophy?"
Sure, I'm the one having trouble with "objective reality"*.
*for most of the less mentally challenged there is just
"reality".
LOL!!!
So tell me how "objective reality" can be a "strength"?
Perhaps you should refer back to what I said about losers.
Perhaps you should consider that thinking you won is prima
facie evidence of your complete lack of objective reality.
Sounds like you think I won something.
What do you think I won?
How low is your self esteem? Limbo much?
What do you think you won? Your esteem, a line painted on the
floor?
You're repeating yourself and borrowing from me like you are
flustered and can't think for yourself.
NOW you are really making me feel like you think I
won...something... but not something to boast about. Perhaps you
just realise you are a pathetic loser.
I'd stop drawing attention to it if I were as unfortunate. It's the
"objective reality".
Self-examining your self-esteem, below that line painted on the floor?
See a therapist.
It's pathetic to see you trying to scrape yourself off the floor, loser.
You are just playing for a participation medal now; ironic!
In article <xn0n6nvnu39k4v8008@news.eternal-september.org>, bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com says...
7/8 WDC; GOAT
That's some participation.
GOAT??????????
Hamilton made a lucky/clever (choose one) decision to join Mercedes when
he did. If Alonso, Vettel or probably half a dozen other drivers had got
that seat, they would be the one with the full trophy cabinet.
Even Rosberg, in the same Mercedes, was able to get a WDC. And George
Russell was able to just jump in to the Mercedes and go faster than
anybody else first time out.
So well done Mercedes on their 8th Constructors Championship, but the
driver was never anything more than a cog in the machine, and very
rarely did anything exceptional with it.
<https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/59666530>
On Wednesday, December 15, 2021 at 5:34:39 AM UTC-8, Brian Lawrence
wrote:
<https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/59666530>
So is it Sir Entitled Bashalot?
On 2021-12-15 7:07 p.m., Philip wrote:
In article <xn0n6nvnu39k4v8008@news.eternal-september.org>,
bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com says...
7/8 WDC; GOAT
That's some participation.
GOAT??????????
Hamilton made a lucky/clever (choose one) decision to join Mercedes when he >> did. If Alonso, Vettel or probably half a dozen other drivers had got that >> seat, they would be the one with the full trophy cabinet.
Even Rosberg, in the same Mercedes, was able to get a WDC. And George
Russell was able to just jump in to the Mercedes and go faster than anybody >> else first time out.
So well done Mercedes on their 8th Constructors Championship, but the
driver was never anything more than a cog in the machine, and very rarely
did anything exceptional with it.
The driver is clearly much more than just a cog.
On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 20:04:05 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2021-12-15 7:07 p.m., Philip wrote:
In article <xn0n6nvnu39k4v8008@news.eternal-september.org>,
bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com says...
7/8 WDC; GOAT
That's some participation.
GOAT??????????
Hamilton made a lucky/clever (choose one) decision to join Mercedes when he >>> did. If Alonso, Vettel or probably half a dozen other drivers had got that >>> seat, they would be the one with the full trophy cabinet.
Even Rosberg, in the same Mercedes, was able to get a WDC. And George
Russell was able to just jump in to the Mercedes and go faster than anybody >>> else first time out.
So well done Mercedes on their 8th Constructors Championship, but the
driver was never anything more than a cog in the machine, and very rarely >>> did anything exceptional with it.
The driver is clearly much more than just a cog.
Yes, Hamilton 387.5 points, Bottas 226; Verstappen 395.5 points,
Perez190 tells its own tale.
BTW, glad to see you changing your tune at last, you insisted for
rather a long time that that the driver is only a small part of it,
that it's really all down to the car!
Being a small part doesn't mean he's no part.
In article <xn0n6nvnu39k4v8008@news.eternal-september.org>, bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com says...
7/8 WDC; GOAT
That's some participation.
GOAT??????????
Hamilton made a lucky/clever (choose one) decision to join Mercedes when he did. If Alonso, Vettel or probably half a dozen other drivers had got that seat, they would be the one with the full trophy cabinet.
Even Rosberg, in the same Mercedes, was able to get a WDC. And George
Russell was able to just jump in to the Mercedes and go faster than anybody else first time out.
So well done Mercedes on their 8th Constructors Championship, but the
driver was never anything more than a cog in the machine, and very rarely
did anything exceptional with it.
On 2021-12-16 3:51 p.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 20:04:05 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2021-12-15 7:07 p.m., Philip wrote:
In article <xn0n6nvnu39k4v8008@news.eternal-september.org>,
bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com says...
7/8 WDC; GOAT
That's some participation.
GOAT??????????
Hamilton made a lucky/clever (choose one) decision to join Mercedes when he
did. If Alonso, Vettel or probably half a dozen other drivers had got that >>>> seat, they would be the one with the full trophy cabinet.
Even Rosberg, in the same Mercedes, was able to get a WDC. And George
Russell was able to just jump in to the Mercedes and go faster than anybody
else first time out.
So well done Mercedes on their 8th Constructors Championship, but the
driver was never anything more than a cog in the machine, and very rarely >>>> did anything exceptional with it.
The driver is clearly much more than just a cog.
Yes, Hamilton 387.5 points, Bottas 226; Verstappen 395.5 points,
Perez190 tells its own tale.
BTW, glad to see you changing your tune at last, you insisted for
rather a long time that that the driver is only a small part of it,
that it's really all down to the car!
Being a small part doesn't mean he's no part.
On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 19:48:07 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2021-12-16 3:51 p.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 20:04:05 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2021-12-15 7:07 p.m., Philip wrote:
In article <xn0n6nvnu39k4v8008@news.eternal-september.org>,
bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com says...
7/8 WDC; GOAT
That's some participation.
GOAT??????????
Hamilton made a lucky/clever (choose one) decision to join Mercedes when he
did. If Alonso, Vettel or probably half a dozen other drivers had got that
seat, they would be the one with the full trophy cabinet.
Even Rosberg, in the same Mercedes, was able to get a WDC. And George >>>>> Russell was able to just jump in to the Mercedes and go faster than anybody
else first time out.
So well done Mercedes on their 8th Constructors Championship, but the >>>>> driver was never anything more than a cog in the machine, and very rarely >>>>> did anything exceptional with it.
The driver is clearly much more than just a cog.
Yes, Hamilton 387.5 points, Bottas 226; Verstappen 395.5 points,
Perez190 tells its own tale.
BTW, glad to see you changing your tune at last, you insisted for
rather a long time that that the driver is only a small part of it,
that it's really all down to the car!
Being a small part doesn't mean he's no part.
If teh driver is only a small part of it, what's your explanation for
the massive points gap between Hamiltion and Bottas and between
Verstappen and Perez?
Look at it the other way around.
On 2021-12-17 9:53 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 19:48:07 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2021-12-16 3:51 p.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 20:04:05 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2021-12-15 7:07 p.m., Philip wrote:
In article <xn0n6nvnu39k4v8008@news.eternal-september.org>,
bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com says...
7/8 WDC; GOAT
That's some participation.
GOAT??????????
Hamilton made a lucky/clever (choose one) decision to join Mercedes when he
did. If Alonso, Vettel or probably half a dozen other drivers had got that
seat, they would be the one with the full trophy cabinet.
Even Rosberg, in the same Mercedes, was able to get a WDC. And George >>>>>> Russell was able to just jump in to the Mercedes and go faster than anybody
else first time out.
So well done Mercedes on their 8th Constructors Championship, but the >>>>>> driver was never anything more than a cog in the machine, and very rarely
did anything exceptional with it.
The driver is clearly much more than just a cog.
Yes, Hamilton 387.5 points, Bottas 226; Verstappen 395.5 points,
Perez190 tells its own tale.
BTW, glad to see you changing your tune at last, you insisted for
rather a long time that that the driver is only a small part of it,
that it's really all down to the car!
Being a small part doesn't mean he's no part.
If teh driver is only a small part of it, what's your explanation for
the massive points gap between Hamiltion and Bottas and between
Verstappen and Perez?
Look at it the other way around.
If the driver is a large part of the performance of the package, what's
your explanation for Russell being so fast in the Mercedes (a car he had
to be shoehorned into) versus his performance in the Williams?
On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 11:49:44 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2021-12-17 9:53 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 19:48:07 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2021-12-16 3:51 p.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 20:04:05 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2021-12-15 7:07 p.m., Philip wrote:
In article <xn0n6nvnu39k4v8008@news.eternal-september.org>,
bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com says...
7/8 WDC; GOAT
That's some participation.
GOAT??????????
Hamilton made a lucky/clever (choose one) decision to join Mercedes when he
did. If Alonso, Vettel or probably half a dozen other drivers had got that
seat, they would be the one with the full trophy cabinet.
Even Rosberg, in the same Mercedes, was able to get a WDC. And George >>>>>>> Russell was able to just jump in to the Mercedes and go faster than anybody
else first time out.
So well done Mercedes on their 8th Constructors Championship, but the >>>>>>> driver was never anything more than a cog in the machine, and very rarely
did anything exceptional with it.
The driver is clearly much more than just a cog.
Yes, Hamilton 387.5 points, Bottas 226; Verstappen 395.5 points,
Perez190 tells its own tale.
BTW, glad to see you changing your tune at last, you insisted for
rather a long time that that the driver is only a small part of it,
that it's really all down to the car!
Being a small part doesn't mean he's no part.
If teh driver is only a small part of it, what's your explanation for
the massive points gap between Hamiltion and Bottas and between
Verstappen and Perez?
Look at it the other way around.
If the driver is a large part of the performance of the package, what's
your explanation for Russell being so fast in the Mercedes (a car he had
to be shoehorned into) versus his performance in the Williams?
You first - what's your explanation for the massive points gap between Hamiltion and Bottas and between Verstappen and Perez?
Now you.
On 2021-12-17 2:22 p.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 11:49:44 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2021-12-17 9:53 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 19:48:07 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2021-12-16 3:51 p.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 20:04:05 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2021-12-15 7:07 p.m., Philip wrote:
In article <xn0n6nvnu39k4v8008@news.eternal-september.org>,
bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com says...
7/8 WDC; GOAT
That's some participation.
GOAT??????????
Hamilton made a lucky/clever (choose one) decision to join Mercedes when he
did. If Alonso, Vettel or probably half a dozen other drivers had got that
seat, they would be the one with the full trophy cabinet.
Even Rosberg, in the same Mercedes, was able to get a WDC. And George >>>>>>>> Russell was able to just jump in to the Mercedes and go faster than anybody
else first time out.
So well done Mercedes on their 8th Constructors Championship, but the >>>>>>>> driver was never anything more than a cog in the machine, and very rarely
did anything exceptional with it.
The driver is clearly much more than just a cog.
Yes, Hamilton 387.5 points, Bottas 226; Verstappen 395.5 points,
Perez190 tells its own tale.
BTW, glad to see you changing your tune at last, you insisted for
rather a long time that that the driver is only a small part of it, >>>>>> that it's really all down to the car!
Being a small part doesn't mean he's no part.
If teh driver is only a small part of it, what's your explanation for
the massive points gap between Hamiltion and Bottas and between
Verstappen and Perez?
Look at it the other way around.
If the driver is a large part of the performance of the package, what's
your explanation for Russell being so fast in the Mercedes (a car he had >>> to be shoehorned into) versus his performance in the Williams?
You first - what's your explanation for the massive points gap between
Hamiltion and Bottas and between Verstappen and Perez?
Nope. I've said they are a much smaller part than the car is. It doesn't >mean they aren't important. Hamilton is better than Bottas. Verstappen
is better than Perez.
Now you.
On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 14:37:35 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2021-12-17 2:22 p.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 11:49:44 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2021-12-17 9:53 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 19:48:07 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2021-12-16 3:51 p.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 20:04:05 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2021-12-15 7:07 p.m., Philip wrote:
In article <xn0n6nvnu39k4v8008@news.eternal-september.org>,
bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com says...
7/8 WDC; GOAT
That's some participation.
GOAT??????????
Hamilton made a lucky/clever (choose one) decision to join Mercedes when he
did. If Alonso, Vettel or probably half a dozen other drivers had got that
seat, they would be the one with the full trophy cabinet.
Even Rosberg, in the same Mercedes, was able to get a WDC. And George >>>>>>>>> Russell was able to just jump in to the Mercedes and go faster than anybody
else first time out.
So well done Mercedes on their 8th Constructors Championship, but the >>>>>>>>> driver was never anything more than a cog in the machine, and very rarely
did anything exceptional with it.
The driver is clearly much more than just a cog.
Yes, Hamilton 387.5 points, Bottas 226; Verstappen 395.5 points, >>>>>>> Perez190 tells its own tale.
BTW, glad to see you changing your tune at last, you insisted for >>>>>>> rather a long time that that the driver is only a small part of it, >>>>>>> that it's really all down to the car!
Being a small part doesn't mean he's no part.
If teh driver is only a small part of it, what's your explanation for >>>>> the massive points gap between Hamiltion and Bottas and between
Verstappen and Perez?
Look at it the other way around.
If the driver is a large part of the performance of the package, what's >>>> your explanation for Russell being so fast in the Mercedes (a car he had >>>> to be shoehorned into) versus his performance in the Williams?
You first - what's your explanation for the massive points gap between
Hamiltion and Bottas and between Verstappen and Perez?
Nope. I've said they are a much smaller part than the car is. It doesn't
mean they aren't important. Hamilton is better than Bottas. Verstappen
is better than Perez.
Now you.
Apparently, you consider one driver in one race [1] to somehow
diminish Hamilton being 71% ahead of Bottas in points and Verstappen
scoring more than double Perez.
[1] Not to take anything away from Russell's superb drive that day,--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
I'm really looking forward to seeing him taking on Hamilton; he shows
every sign of beiong an exceptionally fast driver and we could well be
into a Hamilton/Rosberg type tussle.
On 2021-12-18 4:38 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 14:37:35 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2021-12-17 2:22 p.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 11:49:44 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2021-12-17 9:53 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 19:48:07 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2021-12-16 3:51 p.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 20:04:05 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>
On 2021-12-15 7:07 p.m., Philip wrote:
In article <xn0n6nvnu39k4v8008@news.eternal-september.org>, >>>>>>>>>> bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com says...
7/8 WDC; GOAT
That's some participation.
GOAT??????????
Hamilton made a lucky/clever (choose one) decision to join Mercedes when he
did. If Alonso, Vettel or probably half a dozen other drivers had got that
seat, they would be the one with the full trophy cabinet.
Even Rosberg, in the same Mercedes, was able to get a WDC. And George
Russell was able to just jump in to the Mercedes and go faster than anybody
else first time out.
So well done Mercedes on their 8th Constructors Championship, but the
driver was never anything more than a cog in the machine, and very rarely
did anything exceptional with it.
The driver is clearly much more than just a cog.
Yes, Hamilton 387.5 points, Bottas 226; Verstappen 395.5 points, >>>>>>>> Perez190 tells its own tale.
BTW, glad to see you changing your tune at last, you insisted for >>>>>>>> rather a long time that that the driver is only a small part of it, >>>>>>>> that it's really all down to the car!
Being a small part doesn't mean he's no part.
If teh driver is only a small part of it, what's your explanation for >>>>>> the massive points gap between Hamiltion and Bottas and between
Verstappen and Perez?
Look at it the other way around.
If the driver is a large part of the performance of the package, what's >>>>> your explanation for Russell being so fast in the Mercedes (a car he had >>>>> to be shoehorned into) versus his performance in the Williams?
You first - what's your explanation for the massive points gap between >>>> Hamiltion and Bottas and between Verstappen and Perez?
Nope. I've said they are a much smaller part than the car is. It doesn't >>> mean they aren't important. Hamilton is better than Bottas. Verstappen
is better than Perez.
Now you.
Apparently, you consider one driver in one race [1] to somehow
diminish Hamilton being 71% ahead of Bottas in points and Verstappen
scoring more than double Perez.
No. I don't consider it diminishes Hamilton at all.
But it does very much point out how much it is the CAR that matters.
Ask yourself the opposite question if you like:
Put Hamilton in the Williams, and how often would he have scored points
this year?
--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
[1] Not to take anything away from Russell's superb drive that day,
I'm really looking forward to seeing him taking on Hamilton; he shows
every sign of beiong an exceptionally fast driver and we could well be
into a Hamilton/Rosberg type tussle.
On Sat, 18 Dec 2021 10:09:11 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2021-12-18 4:38 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 14:37:35 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2021-12-17 2:22 p.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 11:49:44 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2021-12-17 9:53 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 19:48:07 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2021-12-16 3:51 p.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 20:04:05 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>
On 2021-12-15 7:07 p.m., Philip wrote:
In article <xn0n6nvnu39k4v8008@news.eternal-september.org>, >>>>>>>>>>> bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com says...
7/8 WDC; GOAT
That's some participation.
GOAT??????????
Hamilton made a lucky/clever (choose one) decision to join Mercedes when he
did. If Alonso, Vettel or probably half a dozen other drivers had got that
seat, they would be the one with the full trophy cabinet. >>>>>>>>>>>
Even Rosberg, in the same Mercedes, was able to get a WDC. And George
Russell was able to just jump in to the Mercedes and go faster than anybody
else first time out.
So well done Mercedes on their 8th Constructors Championship, but the
driver was never anything more than a cog in the machine, and very rarely
did anything exceptional with it.
The driver is clearly much more than just a cog.
Yes, Hamilton 387.5 points, Bottas 226; Verstappen 395.5 points, >>>>>>>>> Perez190 tells its own tale.
BTW, glad to see you changing your tune at last, you insisted for >>>>>>>>> rather a long time that that the driver is only a small part of it, >>>>>>>>> that it's really all down to the car!
Being a small part doesn't mean he's no part.
If teh driver is only a small part of it, what's your explanation for >>>>>>> the massive points gap between Hamiltion and Bottas and between >>>>>>> Verstappen and Perez?
Look at it the other way around.
If the driver is a large part of the performance of the package, what's >>>>>> your explanation for Russell being so fast in the Mercedes (a car he had >>>>>> to be shoehorned into) versus his performance in the Williams?
You first - what's your explanation for the massive points gap between >>>>> Hamiltion and Bottas and between Verstappen and Perez?
Nope. I've said they are a much smaller part than the car is. It doesn't >>>> mean they aren't important. Hamilton is better than Bottas. Verstappen >>>> is better than Perez.
Now you.
Apparently, you consider one driver in one race [1] to somehow
diminish Hamilton being 71% ahead of Bottas in points and Verstappen
scoring more than double Perez.
No. I don't consider it diminishes Hamilton at all.
So why have you been trying to downplay his impact all year? And why
are you ignoring the Verstappen/Perez difference.
But it does very much point out how much it is the CAR that matters.
No one is arguing that a driver needs a good car to become WDC but the
points difference between Ham and Ver clearly illustrate the
difference made by exceptional driving abilities.
Your pathetic comparison of a Mercedes to a Williams simply
demonstrates your long-running antipathy towards Hamilton.
Ask yourself the opposite question if you like:
Put Hamilton in the Williams, and how often would he have scored points
this year?
A *lot* more than most other drivers out there including, I suspect,
Russell but I'll be delighted if I'm proved wrong in that next year.
The car is simply much more important than the driver.
Your pathetic comparison of a Mercedes to a Williams simply
demonstrates your long-running antipathy towards Hamilton.
Since I have no such antipathy, you're simply wrong.
Alan wrote:
Your pathetic comparison of a Mercedes to a Williams simply
demonstrates your long-running antipathy towards Hamilton.
Since I have no such antipathy, you're simply wrong.
LOL.
It must upset you deeply that so many people have expressed disbelief
over the years.
Nope. Sorry.
On 2021-12-19 9:19 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
Your pathetic comparison of a Mercedes to a Williams simply demonstrates your long-running antipathy towards Hamilton.
Since I have no such antipathy, you're simply wrong.
LOL.
It must upset you deeply that so many people have expressed
disbelief over the years.
Nope. Sorry.
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-19 9:19 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
Your pathetic comparison of a Mercedes to a Williams simply
demonstrates your long-running antipathy towards Hamilton.
Since I have no such antipathy, you're simply wrong.
LOL.
It must upset you deeply that so many people have expressed
disbelief over the years.
Nope. Sorry.
Really, so you expect to be disbelieved.
Wow. Wrong again.
On 2021-12-19 11:04 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-19 9:19 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
Your pathetic comparison of a Mercedes to a Williams simply demonstrates your long-running antipathy towards Hamilton.
Since I have no such antipathy, you're simply wrong.
LOL.
It must upset you deeply that so many people have expressed
disbelief over the years.
Nope. Sorry.
Really, so you expect to be disbelieved.
Wow. Wrong again.
Look to the actual heart of your claim for your answer.
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-19 11:04 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-19 9:19 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
Your pathetic comparison of a Mercedes to a Williams simply
demonstrates your long-running antipathy towards Hamilton.
Since I have no such antipathy, you're simply wrong.
LOL.
It must upset you deeply that so many people have expressed
disbelief over the years.
Nope. Sorry.
Really, so you expect to be disbelieved.
Wow. Wrong again.
Look to the actual heart of your claim for your answer.
I need look nowhere. I have seen how you respond over the years and
defy anyone to have concluded otherwise.
Your lack of self-awareness is not a defence.
On 2021-12-19 3:12 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-19 11:04 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-19 9:19 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
Your pathetic comparison of a Mercedes to a Williams
simply demonstrates your long-running antipathy towards Hamilton.
Since I have no such antipathy, you're simply wrong.
LOL.
It must upset you deeply that so many people have expressed disbelief over the years.
Nope. Sorry.
Really, so you expect to be disbelieved.
Wow. Wrong again.
Look to the actual heart of your claim for your answer.
I need look nowhere. I have seen how you respond over the years and
defy anyone to have concluded otherwise.
Your lack of self-awareness is not a defence.
You claim I must be "upset".
I'm not.
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-19 3:12 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-19 11:04 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-19 9:19 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
Your pathetic comparison of a Mercedes to a Williams
simply demonstrates your long-running antipathy towards
Hamilton.
Since I have no such antipathy, you're simply wrong.
LOL.
It must upset you deeply that so many people have expressed
disbelief over the years.
Nope. Sorry.
Really, so you expect to be disbelieved.
Wow. Wrong again.
Look to the actual heart of your claim for your answer.
I need look nowhere. I have seen how you respond over the years and
defy anyone to have concluded otherwise.
Your lack of self-awareness is not a defence.
You claim I must be "upset".
I'm not.
I already surmised that you claimed as much and responded.
On 2021-12-19 3:59 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-19 3:12 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-19 11:04 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-19 9:19 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
Your pathetic comparison of a Mercedes to a Williams
simply demonstrates your long-running antipathy
towards Hamilton.
Since I have no such antipathy, you're simply wrong.
LOL.
It must upset you deeply that so many people have
expressed disbelief over the years.
Nope. Sorry.
Really, so you expect to be disbelieved.
Wow. Wrong again.
Look to the actual heart of your claim for your answer.
I need look nowhere. I have seen how you respond over the years
and defy anyone to have concluded otherwise.
Your lack of self-awareness is not a defence.
You claim I must be "upset".
I'm not.
I already surmised that you claimed as much and responded.
Really?
What post of mine led to that surmise.
Go ahead and quote it.
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-19 3:59 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-19 3:12 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-19 11:04 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-19 9:19 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
Your pathetic comparison of a Mercedes to a Williams
simply demonstrates your long-running antipathy
towards Hamilton.
Since I have no such antipathy, you're simply wrong.
LOL.
It must upset you deeply that so many people have
expressed disbelief over the years.
Nope. Sorry.
^^^^^
Really, so you expect to be disbelieved.
Wow. Wrong again.
Look to the actual heart of your claim for your answer.
I need look nowhere. I have seen how you respond over the years
and defy anyone to have concluded otherwise.
Your lack of self-awareness is not a defence.
You claim I must be "upset".
I'm not.
I already surmised that you claimed as much and responded.
Really?
What post of mine led to that surmise.
Go ahead and quote it.
FFS you infantile little twat, I have above and so have you. I have now
added emphasis for the weak of mind.
I think that is enough of your drunken, drugged or plain retarded
nonsense for one night.
Try again.
On 2021-12-19 4:34 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-19 3:59 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-19 3:12 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-19 11:04 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-19 9:19 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
Your pathetic comparison of a Mercedes to a
Williams simply demonstrates your long-running antipathy towards Hamilton.
Since I have no such antipathy, you're simply
wrong.
LOL.
It must upset you deeply that so many people have
expressed disbelief over the years.
Nope. Sorry.
^^^^^
Really, so you expect to be disbelieved.
Wow. Wrong again.
Look to the actual heart of your claim for your answer.
I need look nowhere. I have seen how you respond over the
years and defy anyone to have concluded otherwise.
Your lack of self-awareness is not a defence.
You claim I must be "upset".
I'm not.
I already surmised that you claimed as much and responded.
Really?
What post of mine led to that surmise.
Go ahead and quote it.
FFS you infantile little twat, I have above and so have you. I have
now added emphasis for the weak of mind.
I think that is enough of your drunken, drugged or plain retarded
nonsense for one night.
That's where I say it didn't upset me.
You're supposed to quote where I said something that could be
interpreted as me being upset.
Try again.
On 2021-12-18 12:44 p.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Sat, 18 Dec 2021 10:09:11 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2021-12-18 4:38 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 14:37:35 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2021-12-17 2:22 p.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 11:49:44 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2021-12-17 9:53 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 19:48:07 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>
On 2021-12-16 3:51 p.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 20:04:05 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>
On 2021-12-15 7:07 p.m., Philip wrote:
In article <xn0n6nvnu39k4v8008@news.eternal-september.org>, >>>>>>>>>>>> bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com says...
7/8 WDC; GOAT
That's some participation.
GOAT??????????
Hamilton made a lucky/clever (choose one) decision to join Mercedes when he
did. If Alonso, Vettel or probably half a dozen other drivers had got that
seat, they would be the one with the full trophy cabinet. >>>>>>>>>>>>
Even Rosberg, in the same Mercedes, was able to get a WDC. And George
Russell was able to just jump in to the Mercedes and go faster than anybody
else first time out.
So well done Mercedes on their 8th Constructors Championship, but the
driver was never anything more than a cog in the machine, and very rarely
did anything exceptional with it.
The driver is clearly much more than just a cog.
Yes, Hamilton 387.5 points, Bottas 226; Verstappen 395.5 points, >>>>>>>>>> Perez190 tells its own tale.
BTW, glad to see you changing your tune at last, you insisted for >>>>>>>>>> rather a long time that that the driver is only a small part of it, >>>>>>>>>> that it's really all down to the car!
Being a small part doesn't mean he's no part.
If teh driver is only a small part of it, what's your explanation for >>>>>>>> the massive points gap between Hamiltion and Bottas and between >>>>>>>> Verstappen and Perez?
Look at it the other way around.
If the driver is a large part of the performance of the package, what's >>>>>>> your explanation for Russell being so fast in the Mercedes (a car he had
to be shoehorned into) versus his performance in the Williams?
You first - what's your explanation for the massive points gap between >>>>>> Hamiltion and Bottas and between Verstappen and Perez?
Nope. I've said they are a much smaller part than the car is. It doesn't >>>>> mean they aren't important. Hamilton is better than Bottas. Verstappen >>>>> is better than Perez.
Now you.
Apparently, you consider one driver in one race [1] to somehow
diminish Hamilton being 71% ahead of Bottas in points and Verstappen
scoring more than double Perez.
No. I don't consider it diminishes Hamilton at all.
So why have you been trying to downplay his impact all year? And why
are you ignoring the Verstappen/Perez difference.
I'm not.
But clearly the car is a far larger part of the equation.
Russell in a Mercedes is instantly a threat to win.
Hamilton in a Williams would be lucky to score points.
But it does very much point out how much it is the CAR that matters.
No one is arguing that a driver needs a good car to become WDC but the
points difference between Ham and Ver clearly illustrate the
difference made by exceptional driving abilities.
Your pathetic comparison of a Mercedes to a Williams simply
demonstrates your long-running antipathy towards Hamilton.
Since I have no such antipathy, you're simply wrong.
--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
Ask yourself the opposite question if you like:
Put Hamilton in the Williams, and how often would he have scored points
this year?
A *lot* more than most other drivers out there including, I suspect,
Russell but I'll be delighted if I'm proved wrong in that next year.
You know as well as I do that Hamilton would only have scored a few more >than Russell.
Russell demonstrated he's instantly good enough to win if you put him in
a Mercedes, and discounting the weirdness that was Belgium, his best
finish all year was 8th in Hungary.
He only scored points in 4 GPs all year.
He was only as many as two places out of the points two other times.
Hamilton would have no chance to win in the Williams unless something >bizarre happened. None at all.
The car is simply much more important than the driver.
Alan wrote:
Your pathetic comparison of a Mercedes to a Williams simply
demonstrates your long-running antipathy towards Hamilton.
Since I have no such antipathy, you're simply wrong.
LOL.
It must upset you deeply that so many people have expressed disbelief
over the years.
Bernie no fan of knighthood.....that seems about wight. :-D
On Sun, 19 Dec 2021 14:19:04 -0000 (UTC), "Bigbird" <bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
Alan wrote:
Your pathetic comparison of a Mercedes to a Williams simply
demonstrates your long-running antipathy towards Hamilton.
Since I have no such antipathy, you're simply wrong.
LOL.
It must upset you deeply that so many people have expressed disbelief
over the years.
It probably does upset him because the inability to recognise one's
own biases is a pretty common human characteristic.
Bernie no fan of knighthood.....that seems about wight.-a :-D
https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula-1/a38560324/does-f1-champion-lewis-hamilton-deserve-a-knighthood
leonard hofstatder wrote:
Bernie no fan of knighthood.....that seems about wight. :-Dhttps://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula-1/a38560324/does-f1-champion-lewis-hamilton-deserve-a-knighthood
Everyone is entitled ( ;-) ) to their opinion but sometimes it would be better if it were not given a voice.
Many sportsmen have been knighted and Lewis does not stand out among
them as any less deserving; only in that any former heads of their
sports have not voiced their resentment but rather been happy for them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sporting_knights_and_dames
On Sat, 18 Dec 2021 13:28:37 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2021-12-18 12:44 p.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Sat, 18 Dec 2021 10:09:11 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2021-12-18 4:38 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 14:37:35 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2021-12-17 2:22 p.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 11:49:44 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2021-12-17 9:53 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 19:48:07 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>
On 2021-12-16 3:51 p.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 20:04:05 -0500, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>
On 2021-12-15 7:07 p.m., Philip wrote:
In article <xn0n6nvnu39k4v8008@news.eternal-september.org>, >>>>>>>>>>>>> bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com says...
7/8 WDC; GOAT
That's some participation.
GOAT??????????
Hamilton made a lucky/clever (choose one) decision to join Mercedes when he
did. If Alonso, Vettel or probably half a dozen other drivers had got that
seat, they would be the one with the full trophy cabinet. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Even Rosberg, in the same Mercedes, was able to get a WDC. And George
Russell was able to just jump in to the Mercedes and go faster than anybody
else first time out.
So well done Mercedes on their 8th Constructors Championship, but the
driver was never anything more than a cog in the machine, and very rarely
did anything exceptional with it.
The driver is clearly much more than just a cog.
Yes, Hamilton 387.5 points, Bottas 226; Verstappen 395.5 points, >>>>>>>>>>> Perez190 tells its own tale.
BTW, glad to see you changing your tune at last, you insisted for >>>>>>>>>>> rather a long time that that the driver is only a small part of it, >>>>>>>>>>> that it's really all down to the car!
Being a small part doesn't mean he's no part.
If teh driver is only a small part of it, what's your explanation for >>>>>>>>> the massive points gap between Hamiltion and Bottas and between >>>>>>>>> Verstappen and Perez?
Look at it the other way around.
If the driver is a large part of the performance of the package, what's
your explanation for Russell being so fast in the Mercedes (a car he had
to be shoehorned into) versus his performance in the Williams?
You first - what's your explanation for the massive points gap between >>>>>>> Hamiltion and Bottas and between Verstappen and Perez?
Nope. I've said they are a much smaller part than the car is. It doesn't >>>>>> mean they aren't important. Hamilton is better than Bottas. Verstappen >>>>>> is better than Perez.
Now you.
Apparently, you consider one driver in one race [1] to somehow
diminish Hamilton being 71% ahead of Bottas in points and Verstappen >>>>> scoring more than double Perez.
No. I don't consider it diminishes Hamilton at all.
So why have you been trying to downplay his impact all year? And why
are you ignoring the Verstappen/Perez difference.
I'm not.
But clearly the car is a far larger part of the equation.
Russell in a Mercedes is instantly a threat to win.
Hamilton in a Williams would be lucky to score points.
But it does very much point out how much it is the CAR that matters.
No one is arguing that a driver needs a good car to become WDC but the
points difference between Ham and Ver clearly illustrate the
difference made by exceptional driving abilities.
Your pathetic comparison of a Mercedes to a Williams simply
demonstrates your long-running antipathy towards Hamilton.
Since I have no such antipathy, you're simply wrong.
Your record of trying to diminish Hamilton's achievements is well established.
Ask yourself the opposite question if you like:
Put Hamilton in the Williams, and how often would he have scored points >>>> this year?
A *lot* more than most other drivers out there including, I suspect,
Russell but I'll be delighted if I'm proved wrong in that next year.
You know as well as I do that Hamilton would only have scored a few more
than Russell.
Russell demonstrated he's instantly good enough to win if you put him in
a Mercedes, and discounting the weirdness that was Belgium, his best
finish all year was 8th in Hungary.
He only scored points in 4 GPs all year.
He was only as many as two places out of the points two other times.
Hamilton would have no chance to win in the Williams unless something
bizarre happened. None at all.
The car is simply much more important than the driver.
Answer the question:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-19 4:34 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-19 3:59 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-19 3:12 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-19 11:04 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-19 9:19 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
Your pathetic comparison of a Mercedes to a
Williams simply demonstrates your long-running
antipathy towards Hamilton.
Since I have no such antipathy, you're simply
wrong.
LOL.
It must upset you deeply that so many people have
expressed disbelief over the years.
Nope. Sorry.
^^^^^
Really, so you expect to be disbelieved.
Wow. Wrong again.
Look to the actual heart of your claim for your answer.
I need look nowhere. I have seen how you respond over the
years and defy anyone to have concluded otherwise.
Your lack of self-awareness is not a defence.
You claim I must be "upset".
I'm not.
I already surmised that you claimed as much and responded.
Really?
What post of mine led to that surmise.
Go ahead and quote it.
FFS you infantile little twat, I have above and so have you. I have
now added emphasis for the weak of mind.
I think that is enough of your drunken, drugged or plain retarded
nonsense for one night.
That's where I say it didn't upset me.
Quite.
You're supposed to quote where I said something that could be
interpreted as me being upset.
No. You seem to have tied yourself in knots. Perhaps you were upset.
Try again.
No. I think I've indulged your stupidity quite enough.
We can summarise that plenty of people think you are prejudiced against
Lewis and they have said as much over the years and you claim it
doesn't upset you.
I'm sorry
On 2021-12-20 4:46 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-19 4:34 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-19 3:59 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-19 3:12 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-19 11:04 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-19 9:19 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
Your pathetic comparison of a Mercedes to a
Williams simply demonstrates your long-running
antipathy towards Hamilton.
Since I have no such antipathy, you're simply
wrong.
LOL.
It must upset you deeply that so many people have
expressed disbelief over the years.
Nope. Sorry.
^^^^^
Really, so you expect to be disbelieved.
Wow. Wrong again.
Look to the actual heart of your claim for your answer.
I need look nowhere. I have seen how you respond over the
years and defy anyone to have concluded otherwise.
Your lack of self-awareness is not a defence.
You claim I must be "upset".
I'm not.
I already surmised that you claimed as much and responded.
Really?
What post of mine led to that surmise.
Go ahead and quote it.
FFS you infantile little twat, I have above and so have you. I have
now added emphasis for the weak of mind.
I think that is enough of your drunken, drugged or plain retarded
nonsense for one night.
That's where I say it didn't upset me.
Quite.
You're supposed to quote where I said something that could be
interpreted as me being upset.
No. You seem to have tied yourself in knots. Perhaps you were upset.
Try again.
No. I think I've indulged your stupidity quite enough.
We can summarise that plenty of people think you are prejudiced against
Lewis and they have said as much over the years and you claim it
doesn't upset you.
I claim it because it's true.
I simply recognize that a lot of his success is down to being in the
right car at the right time.
In 2007, he and Alonso were almost dead even.
In 2008, he was certainly better than his teammate Kovalainen
In 2009, the same, but the car wasn't sufficient to win the championship.
In 2010, he and Button were pretty close to level, but again the car
didn't have what it took.
In 2011, Button finished the season well up on him, mostly by virtue of having had one fewer retirements (2 to Hamilton's 3).
In 2012, Hamilton definitely had the edge as he finished a little ahead
of Button despite having retired from 5 races to Button's 2. But again,
the car just wasn't capable of winning championships.
In 2013, he moved to Mercedes and guess what: he and Rosberg were pretty much level after you account for Rosberg retiring two more times than Hamilton.
In 2014 (the first of the turbo hybrid era), the car was clearly the
best of the new formula, and Rosberg and Hamilton finished close to each other, with Ricciardo being a fairly distant 3rd in the WDC
And so on it went.
Hamilton was pretty much as quick as some other driver's capable of
winning WDCs themselves, but he wasn't far faster than either Button or Alonso or even Rosberg.
I'm sorry these facts upset so many, but they are the facts.
Hamilton is among the very best of the F1 drivers of the last 15 years...
...but his championships are more about the car than they are about his ability.
On 2021-12-20 4:46 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-19 4:34 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-19 3:59 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-19 3:12 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-19 11:04 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-19 9:19 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
Your pathetic comparison of a Mercedes to a Williams simply demonstrates your
long-running antipathy towards Hamilton.
Since I have no such antipathy, you're simply
wrong.
LOL.
It must upset you deeply that so many people
have expressed disbelief over the years.
Nope. Sorry.
^^^^^
Really, so you expect to be disbelieved.
Wow. Wrong again.
Look to the actual heart of your claim for your
answer.
I need look nowhere. I have seen how you respond over
the years and defy anyone to have concluded otherwise.
Your lack of self-awareness is not a defence.
You claim I must be "upset".
I'm not.
I already surmised that you claimed as much and responded.
Really?
What post of mine led to that surmise.
Go ahead and quote it.
FFS you infantile little twat, I have above and so have you. I
have now added emphasis for the weak of mind.
I think that is enough of your drunken, drugged or plain
retarded nonsense for one night.
That's where I say it didn't upset me.
Quite.
You're supposed to quote where I said something that could be
interpreted as me being upset.
No. You seem to have tied yourself in knots. Perhaps you were upset.
Try again.
No. I think I've indulged your stupidity quite enough.
We can summarise that plenty of people think you are prejudiced
against Lewis and they have said as much over the years and you
claim it doesn't upset you.
I claim it because it's true.
I simply recognize that a lot of his success is down to being in the
right car at the right time.
On 2021-12-20 4:46 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-19 4:34 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-19 3:59 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-19 3:12 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-19 11:04 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-19 9:19 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
Your pathetic comparison of a Mercedes to a Williams simply demonstrates your
long-running antipathy towards Hamilton.
Since I have no such antipathy, you're simply
wrong.
LOL.
It must upset you deeply that so many people
have expressed disbelief over the years.
Nope. Sorry.
^^^^^
Really, so you expect to be disbelieved.
Wow. Wrong again.
Look to the actual heart of your claim for your
answer.
I need look nowhere. I have seen how you respond over
the years and defy anyone to have concluded otherwise.
Your lack of self-awareness is not a defence.
You claim I must be "upset".
I'm not.
I already surmised that you claimed as much and responded.
Really?
What post of mine led to that surmise.
Go ahead and quote it.
FFS you infantile little twat, I have above and so have you. I
have now added emphasis for the weak of mind.
I think that is enough of your drunken, drugged or plain
retarded nonsense for one night.
That's where I say it didn't upset me.
Quite.
You're supposed to quote where I said something that could be
interpreted as me being upset.
No. You seem to have tied yourself in knots. Perhaps you were upset.
Try again.
No. I think I've indulged your stupidity quite enough.
We can summarise that plenty of people think you are prejudiced
against Lewis and they have said as much over the years and you
claim it doesn't upset you.
I claim it because it's true.
I simply recognize that a lot of his success is down to being in the
right car at the right time.
In 2007, he and Alonso were almost dead even.
In 2008, he was certainly better than his teammate Kovalainen
In 2009, the same, but the car wasn't sufficient to win the
championship.
In 2010, he and Button were pretty close to level, but again the car
didn't have what it took.
In 2011, Button finished the season well up on him, mostly by virtue
of having had one fewer retirements (2 to Hamilton's 3).
In 2012, Hamilton definitely had the edge as he finished a little
ahead of Button despite having retired from 5 races to Button's 2.
But again, the car just wasn't capable of winning championships.
In 2013, he moved to Mercedes and guess what: he and Rosberg were
pretty much level after you account for Rosberg retiring two more
times than Hamilton.
In 2014 (the first of the turbo hybrid era), the car was clearly the
best of the new formula, and Rosberg and Hamilton finished close to
each other, with Ricciardo being a fairly distant 3rd in the WDC
And so on it went.
Hamilton was pretty much as quick as some other driver's capable of
winning WDCs themselves, but he wasn't far faster than either Button
or Alonso or even Rosberg.
I'm sorry these facts upset so many, but they are the facts.
Hamilton is among the very best of the F1 drivers of the last 15
years...
...but his championships are more about the car than they are about
his ability.
LOL. If you need to tell yourself that in order to diminish his accomplishments then go ahead but feeling the need to emphasise it to
others so frequently will always look like conceit, sour grapes and
bias.
Makes me think
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