• 2021 - If I was VER, I'd feel a little ...

    From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Dec 18 14:31:48 2021
    ...hollow.

    Winning the WDC not because of my skill and the attributes of my car,
    but only because the actions of 3 other people. LAT, PER, and RD. 4 if
    you include Merc's bad luck wrt SCs and track position.

    LAT unfortunate, PER epic, and RD ....

    geoff
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Dec 17 19:04:21 2021
    On Friday, December 17, 2021 at 6:32:00 PM UTC-7, geoff wrote:
    ...hollow.

    Winning the WDC not because of my skill and the attributes of my car,
    but only because the actions of 3 other people. LAT, PER, and RD. 4 if
    you include Merc's bad luck wrt SCs and track position.

    LAT unfortunate, PER epic, and RD ....

    speak english asshole
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Dec 18 00:00:07 2021
    On 2021-12-17 8:31 p.m., geoff wrote:
    ...hollow.

    Winning the WDC not because of my skill and the attributes of my car,
    but only because the actions of 3 other people. LAT, PER, and RD. 4 if
    you include Merc's bad luck wrt SCs and track position.

    LAT unfortunate, PER epic, and RD ....

    Every WDC ever was one because of other factors.
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Dec 18 18:11:00 2021
    On 18/12/2021 6:00 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-12-17 8:31 p.m., geoff wrote:
    ...hollow.

    Winning the WDC not because of my skill and the attributes of my car,
    but only because the actions of 3 other people. LAT, PER, and RD. 4 if
    you include Merc's bad luck wrt SCs and track position.

    LAT unfortunate, PER epic, and RD ....

    Every WDC ever was one because of other factors.


    'One' ????

    Few (any ?) with so many conspiring (not using the term in a
    conspirational sense) external factors in a last race with leaders
    starting on even-par with points.

    geoff
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Dec 18 10:07:51 2021
    On 2021-12-18 12:11 a.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/12/2021 6:00 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-12-17 8:31 p.m., geoff wrote:
    ...hollow.

    Winning the WDC not because of my skill and the attributes of my car,
    but only because the actions of 3 other people. LAT, PER, and RD. 4
    if you include Merc's bad luck wrt SCs and track position.

    LAT unfortunate, PER epic, and RD ....

    Every WDC ever was one because of other factors.


    'One' ????

    Yes. "One." As in:

    "very WDC ever was one (a WDC).


    Few (any ?) with so many conspiring (not using the term in a
    conspirational sense) external factors in a last race with leaders
    starting on even-par with points.

    But there's a fallacy in there.

    The last race is no more important than the first race in terms of who
    wins the championship.

    If this had happened earlier in the season, I think it would have passed without much comment at all.
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Dec 18 15:42:44 2021
    Alan wrote:

    On 2021-12-17 8:31 p.m., geoff wrote:
    ...hollow.

    Winning the WDC not because of my skill and the attributes of my
    car, but only because the actions of 3 other people. LAT, PER, and
    RD. 4 if you include Merc's bad luck wrt SCs and track position.

    LAT unfortunate, PER epic, and RD ....

    Every WDC ever was one because of other factors.

    Define "other factors".

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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Dec 18 15:47:59 2021
    geoff wrote:

    ...hollow.

    Winning the WDC not because of my skill and the attributes of my car,

    He kind of did though didn't he. Those were the main reasons he was in
    a position to be gifted the WDC by the RD.
    While he did not do enough to win the race without FIA assistance, as
    far as the WDC and the season goes, the solid consensus is that neither deserved it more than the other based on their performances alone.


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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Dec 18 10:49:56 2021
    On 2021-12-18 10:42 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2021-12-17 8:31 p.m., geoff wrote:
    ...hollow.

    Winning the WDC not because of my skill and the attributes of my
    car, but only because the actions of 3 other people. LAT, PER, and
    RD. 4 if you include Merc's bad luck wrt SCs and track position.

    LAT unfortunate, PER epic, and RD ....

    Every WDC ever was one because of other factors.

    Define "other factors".


    Other contenders being crashed out.

    Bad luck on safety car deployment

    To pretend that the ONLY reasons that Hamilton isn't WDC is what
    happened in the last race is absurd.
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Dec 18 10:50:51 2021
    On 2021-12-18 10:47 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    geoff wrote:

    ...hollow.

    Winning the WDC not because of my skill and the attributes of my car,

    He kind of did though didn't he. Those were the main reasons he was in
    a position to be gifted the WDC by the RD.
    While he did not do enough to win the race without FIA assistance, as
    far as the WDC and the season goes, the solid consensus is that neither deserved it more than the other based on their performances alone.



    And I'd completely agree with that.

    Both drivers had a great season.

    Both drivers screwed up occasionally.
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Dec 18 16:07:46 2021
    Alan wrote:

    On 2021-12-18 10:42 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2021-12-17 8:31 p.m., geoff wrote:
    ...hollow.

    Winning the WDC not because of my skill and the attributes of my
    car, but only because the actions of 3 other people. LAT, PER,
    and RD. 4 if you include Merc's bad luck wrt SCs and track
    position.

    LAT unfortunate, PER epic, and RD ....

    Every WDC ever was one because of other factors.

    Define "other factors".


    Other contenders being crashed out.

    Bad luck on safety car deployment


    "Every WDC ever"
    Complete nonsense.
    You are utterly clueless.

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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Dec 18 12:01:12 2021
    On 2021-12-18 11:07 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2021-12-18 10:42 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2021-12-17 8:31 p.m., geoff wrote:
    ...hollow.

    Winning the WDC not because of my skill and the attributes of my
    car, but only because the actions of 3 other people. LAT, PER,
    and RD. 4 if you include Merc's bad luck wrt SCs and track
    position.

    LAT unfortunate, PER epic, and RD ....

    Every WDC ever was one because of other factors.

    Define "other factors".


    Other contenders being crashed out.

    Bad luck on safety car deployment


    "Every WDC ever"
    Complete nonsense.
    You are utterly clueless.


    You think there was a single WDC decided where the champion didn't have outside factors help him win?

    Name one.
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Dec 18 17:25:47 2021
    Alan wrote:

    On 2021-12-18 11:07 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2021-12-18 10:42 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2021-12-17 8:31 p.m., geoff wrote:
    ...hollow.

    Winning the WDC not because of my skill and the attributes
    of my car, but only because the actions of 3 other people.
    LAT, PER, and RD. 4 if you include Merc's bad luck wrt SCs
    and track position.

    LAT unfortunate, PER epic, and RD ....

    Every WDC ever was one because of other factors.

    Define "other factors".


    Other contenders being crashed out.

    Bad luck on safety car deployment


    "Every WDC ever"
    Complete nonsense.
    You are utterly clueless.


    You think there was a single WDC decided where the champion didn't
    have outside factors help him win?

    Name one.

    Most of MS's WDC. Try 2004.

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  • From alister@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Dec 18 19:05:50 2021
    On Sat, 18 Dec 2021 10:07:51 -0500, Alan wrote:

    On 2021-12-18 12:11 a.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/12/2021 6:00 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-12-17 8:31 p.m., geoff wrote:
    ...hollow.

    Winning the WDC not because of my skill and the attributes of my car,
    but only because the actions of 3 other people. LAT, PER, and RD. 4
    if you include Merc's bad luck wrt SCs and track position.

    LAT unfortunate, PER epic, and RD ....

    Every WDC ever was one because of other factors.


    'One' ????

    Yes. "One." As in:

    "very WDC ever was one (a WDC).


    Few (any ?) with so many conspiring (not using the term in a
    conspirational sense) external factors in a last race with leaders
    starting on even-par with points.

    But there's a fallacy in there.

    The last race is no more important than the first race in terms of who
    wins the championship.

    If this had happened earlier in the season, I think it would have passed without much comment at all.

    We both know there would have been lots of comment, but we would have eventually move on.

    I do agree that one race is no more important than any other though.

    In my opinion the real event that cost lewis the champion ship was his
    "Brake Magic" error & Baku, so I accept Max is a worthy champion.

    this does not excuse Masi's mistake in interpreting the rules





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  • From leonard hofstatder@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Dec 18 13:26:25 2021
    On 12/18/2021 11:01 AM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-12-18 11:07 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2021-12-18 10:42 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2021-12-17 8:31 p.m., geoff wrote:
    ...hollow.

    Winning the WDC not because of my skill and the attributes of my
    car,-a but only because the actions of 3 other people. LAT, PER,
    and RD. 4 if-a you include Merc's bad luck wrt SCs and track
    position.

    LAT unfortunate, PER epic, and RD ....

    Every WDC ever was one because of other factors.

    Define "other factors".


    Other contenders being crashed out.

    Bad luck on safety car deployment


    "Every WDC ever"
    Complete nonsense.
    You are utterly clueless.


    You think there was a single WDC decided where the champion didn't have outside factors help him win?

    Name one.


    Maybe every one clinched before the final race ?
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Dec 18 15:31:51 2021
    On 2021-12-18 2:26 p.m., leonard hofstatder wrote:
    On 12/18/2021 11:01 AM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-12-18 11:07 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2021-12-18 10:42 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2021-12-17 8:31 p.m., geoff wrote:
    ...hollow.

    Winning the WDC not because of my skill and the attributes of my >>>>>>> car,-a but only because the actions of 3 other people. LAT, PER, >>>>>>> and RD. 4 if-a you include Merc's bad luck wrt SCs and track
    position.

    LAT unfortunate, PER epic, and RD ....

    Every WDC ever was one because of other factors.

    Define "other factors".


    Other contenders being crashed out.

    Bad luck on safety car deployment


    "Every WDC ever"
    Complete nonsense.
    You are utterly clueless.


    You think there was a single WDC decided where the champion didn't
    have outside factors help him win?

    Name one.


    Maybe every one clinched before the final race ?


    You think there weren't unusual incidents in those that led to the
    eventual WDC gaining points or his rival failing too?
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Dec 18 12:57:16 2021
    On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 1:31:54 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    You think there weren't unusual incidents in those that led to the
    eventual WDC gaining points or his rival failing too?

    speaking of unusual
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Dec 18 17:17:50 2021
    On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 8:07:54 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    On 2021-12-18 12:11 a.m., geoff wrote:

    Every WDC ever was one because of other factors.


    'One' ????

    Yes. "One." As in:

    "very WDC ever was one (a WDC).

    you are a fucking moron
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Dec 19 23:42:35 2021
    On 19/12/2021 4:07 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-12-18 12:11 a.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/12/2021 6:00 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-12-17 8:31 p.m., geoff wrote:
    ...hollow.

    Winning the WDC not because of my skill and the attributes of my
    car, but only because the actions of 3 other people. LAT, PER, and
    RD. 4 if you include Merc's bad luck wrt SCs and track position.

    LAT unfortunate, PER epic, and RD ....

    Every WDC ever was one because of other factors.


    'One' ????

    Yes. "One." As in:

    "very WDC ever was one (a WDC).


    Few (any ?) with so many conspiring (not using the term in a
    conspirational sense) external factors in a last race with leaders
    starting on even-par with points.

    But there's a fallacy in there.

    The last race is no more important than the first race in terms of who
    wins the championship.

    If this had happened earlier in the season, I think it would have passed without much comment at all.

    I'm sure it would not have. The bizarre twist of the rules was bizarre
    and would have been an issue in any race.

    geoff

    geoff
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Dec 19 23:43:38 2021
    On 19/12/2021 4:49 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-12-18 10:42 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2021-12-17 8:31 p.m., geoff wrote:
    ...hollow.

    Winning the WDC not because of my skill and the attributes of my
    car,-a but only because the actions of 3 other people. LAT, PER, and
    RD. 4 if-a you include Merc's bad luck wrt SCs and track position.

    LAT unfortunate, PER epic, and RD ....

    Every WDC ever was one because of other factors.

    Define "other factors".


    Other contenders being crashed out.

    Bad luck on safety car deployment

    To pretend that the ONLY reasons that Hamilton isn't WDC is what
    happened in the last race is absurd.

    Every ? To quote you again "prove it".

    geoff
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Dec 19 23:45:22 2021
    On 19/12/2021 4:50 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-12-18 10:47 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    geoff wrote:

    ...hollow.

    Winning the WDC not because of my skill and the attributes of my car,

    He kind of did though didn't he. Those were the main reasons he was in
    a position to be gifted the WDC by the RD.
    While he did not do enough to win the race without FIA assistance, as
    far as the WDC and the season goes, the solid consensus is that neither
    deserved it more than the other based on their performances alone.



    And I'd completely agree with that.

    Both drivers had a great season.

    Both drivers screwed up occasionally.

    And only one driver was gifted the WDC.

    geoff
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Dec 19 13:59:24 2021
    Alan wrote:

    On 2021-12-18 12:11 a.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/12/2021 6:00 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-12-17 8:31 p.m., geoff wrote:
    ...hollow.

    Winning the WDC not because of my skill and the attributes of
    my car, but only because the actions of 3 other people. LAT,
    PER, and RD. 4 if you include Merc's bad luck wrt SCs and
    track position.

    LAT unfortunate, PER epic, and RD ....

    Every WDC ever was one because of other factors.


    'One' ????

    Yes. "One." As in:

    "very WDC ever was one (a WDC).


    Few (any ?) with so many conspiring (not using the term in a
    conspirational sense) external factors in a last race with leaders
    starting on even-par with points.

    But there's a fallacy in there.

    The last race is no more important than the first race in terms of
    who wins the championship.


    That in itself is a fallacious argument. These are not independent
    events and when the last race becomes the championship decider then it
    is all important.
    The first race will never be considered the championship decider in
    advance.

    If this had happened earlier in the season, I think it would have
    passed without much comment at all.

    Just shows how out of touch with reality you are.

    It goes without saying that the importance would not be as obvious to
    many a casual viewers nor someone like yourself with an inability to
    grasp the meaning of regulations written in clear English and similarly
    would be less newsworthy but those with an interest in the sport and
    consistent implementation of the regulations would be commenting on
    this abuse of procedure at least as much as they do for more subjective implementations.

    IOW it would be as controversial a decision at any time of the year.

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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Dec 20 09:49:07 2021
    Bigbird wrote:

    Alan wrote:

    On 2021-12-18 11:07 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2021-12-18 10:42 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2021-12-17 8:31 p.m., geoff wrote:
    ...hollow.

    Winning the WDC not because of my skill and the attributes
    of my car, but only because the actions of 3 other
    people. LAT, PER, and RD. 4 if you include Merc's bad
    luck wrt SCs and track position.

    LAT unfortunate, PER epic, and RD ....

    Every WDC ever was one because of other factors.

    Define "other factors".


    Other contenders being crashed out.

    Bad luck on safety car deployment


    "Every WDC ever"
    Complete nonsense.
    You are utterly clueless.


    You think there was a single WDC decided where the champion didn't
    have outside factors help him win?

    Name one.

    Most of MS's WDC. Try 2004.

    <crickets>

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  • From rtr@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Jan 26 13:39:00 2022
    On 2021-12-18, geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    ...hollow.

    Winning the WDC not because of my skill and the attributes of my car,
    but only because the actions of 3 other people. LAT, PER, and RD. 4 if
    you include Merc's bad luck wrt SCs and track position.

    LAT unfortunate, PER epic, and RD ....

    geoff

    I don't think so. He's done what he could to be in the right moment.
    He's been pulling PBs up until the LAT crash.

    He's earned it. He's also very stellar last season.

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