• Losing/Lost interest

    From nospam@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Apr 10 20:09:15 2022
    For at least the past 20 years I have studiously avoided the news and
    this forum until I've watched the highlights of qualifying and the
    race itself.

    In recent years with some seemingly manipulated decisions regarding
    safety cars/virtual safety cars and other instances that I now can't
    off-hand recall I was getting frustrated.

    The Michael Masi incident seems to have been a final straw. I still
    have not watch the end of that race and I have not watch any of this
    season's races.

    Money has taken over interesting tracks and especially the boringly
    landscaped (or not as the case might be) of the Middle Eastern tracks.

    No doubt I'm merely showing my age and I was a bit surprised that HAM
    didn't call it a day.

    Anyway, I'm still here, just, and still haven't looked at the final
    positions of today's race. Is it worth watching or should I get an
    extra round of golf in?


    --
    AnthonyL

    Why ever wait to finish a job before starting the next?
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  • From Geoff May@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Apr 10 21:20:23 2022
    On 10/04/2022 21:09, AnthonyL wrote:
    For at least the past 20 years I have studiously avoided the news and
    this forum until I've watched the highlights of qualifying and the
    race itself.

    In recent years with some seemingly manipulated decisions regarding
    safety cars/virtual safety cars and other instances that I now can't
    off-hand recall I was getting frustrated.

    The Michael Masi incident seems to have been a final straw. I still
    have not watch the end of that race and I have not watch any of this
    season's races.

    Money has taken over interesting tracks and especially the boringly landscaped (or not as the case might be) of the Middle Eastern tracks.

    No doubt I'm merely showing my age and I was a bit surprised that HAM
    didn't call it a day.

    Anyway, I'm still here, just, and still haven't looked at the final
    positions of today's race. Is it worth watching or should I get an
    extra round of golf in?

    It was a good race.

    Cheers

    Geoff
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  • From Vasco Costa@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Apr 10 20:42:25 2022
    On 10/04/2022, AnthonyL <nospam@please.invalid> wrote:
    In recent years with some seemingly manipulated decisions regarding
    safety cars/virtual safety cars and other instances that I now can't
    off-hand recall I was getting frustrated.

    The Michael Masi incident seems to have been a final straw. I still
    have not watch the end of that race and I have not watch any of this
    season's races.

    As a fan of F1 and in particular of Mercedes and Hamilton I empathise
    with you. There have been many atypical mistakes lately, especially
    during the 2021 season, culminating with the title decider. 2021 was my
    29th full F1 season and for the first time I pondered stop watching...

    Money has taken over interesting tracks and especially the boringly landscaped (or not as the case might be) of the Middle Eastern tracks.

    This is sadly true as well. Covid somehow created the false hope of
    seeing different tracks back on the calendar. The reality is that we're
    now getting back to where the higher money bids are, with more Middle
    Eastern tracks than ever and with some countries hosting multiple races, whereas other countries with better tracks are left out.

    No doubt I'm merely showing my age and I was a bit surprised that HAM
    didn't call it a day.

    Anyway, I'm still here, just, and still haven't looked at the final
    positions of today's race. Is it worth watching or should I get an
    extra round of golf in?

    I'm turning 41 soon and despite my first paragraph above, 2022 is
    proudly my 30th full F1 season. There's something stronger that still
    hooks me, despite the recent disappointments. F1 feels more like
    entertainment than a true sport nowadays, but what I've always enjoyed
    the most was the technical innovation of the cars anyway. I love F1
    above any team, driver or race director, hence I'm still around.

    As for today's race, it wasn't super interesting, but I can't stress
    enough how much I urge you to watch Bahrain and Saudi Arabia. The
    opening two rounds were some of the best races I can remember in recent
    F1 history, with multiple direct fights for the win from start to
    finish. Perhaps the drivers or teams involved aren't of your liking, but
    the spectacle was of high quality and surprisingly fair, given one of
    the drivers.

    A German friend stopped watching F1 after Abu Dhabi for the same reason
    you did. I understand him, but just like I've subtly tried to bring him
    back, because he's missing quite some good races, I can't help but do
    the same here.

    --
    Vasco Costa

    AKA gluon. Enthusiastic about computers, motorsports, science,
    technology, travelling and TV series. Yes I'm a bit of a geek.

    Gemini: gemini://gluonspace.com/
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  • From radekp@konto.pl@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Apr 10 23:31:23 2022
    Sun, 10 Apr 2022 20:09:15 GMT, w <6253375c.647792828@news.eternal-september.org>, nospam@please.invalid (AnthonyL) napisa|(-a):
    I still
    have not watch the end of that race and I have not watch any of this
    season's races.
    I have rarely looked at F1 since this year. I didn't give up on the F1 channel just because they lowered my price 3x (to 1.5USD / month). I learn that there is a race when Google gives me the qualifying results in the Discovery tab. Well, they deserved ...
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  • From a425couple@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Apr 10 15:56:46 2022
    On 4/10/2022 1:09 PM, AnthonyL wrote:
    For at least the past 20 years I have studiously avoided the news and
    this forum until I've watched the highlights of qualifying and the
    race itself.

    In recent years --- I was getting frustrated.

    Understandable. The last two years seemed 'intense'
    rather than enjoyable.

    Money has taken over interesting tracks and especially the boringly landscaped (or not as the case might be) of the Middle Eastern tracks.


    That is to some extent a financial fact of life.

    I particularly did not like the Saudi Arabian Grand Prix.
    Constant turning between jersey barriers at night
    is not something I would want to do, nor enjoy watching.


    --- I have not watch any of this
    season's races.
    ---
    Anyway, I'm still here, just, and still haven't looked at the final
    positions of today's race. Is it worth watching or should I get an
    extra round of golf in?


    In my opinion, if you can try to just enjoy the competition,
    without a strong feeling as to what should happen,
    today's race (and the prior two) should be enjoyable.

    This year passing is possible.
    This year most drivers have been careful to
    not collide or horribly block.
    Emotions seem in safe check.
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Apr 11 11:20:26 2022
    On 11/04/2022 10:56 am, a425couple wrote:
    On 4/10/2022 1:09 PM, AnthonyL wrote:
    For at least the past 20 years I have studiously avoided the news and
    this forum until I've watched the highlights of qualifying and the
    race itself.

    In recent years --- I was getting frustrated.

    Understandable.-a The last two years seemed 'intense'
    rather than enjoyable.

    Money has taken over interesting tracks and especially the boringly landscaped (or not as the case might be) of the Middle Eastern tracks.


    That is to some extent a financial fact of life.

    I particularly did not like the-a Saudi Arabian Grand Prix.
    Constant turning between jersey barriers at night
    is not something I would want to do, nor enjoy watching.


    --- I have not watch any of this
    season's races.
    ---
    Anyway, I'm still here, just, and still haven't looked at the final
    positions of today's race.-a Is it worth watching or should I get an
    extra round of golf in?


    In my opinion, if you can try to just enjoy the competition,
    without a strong feeling as to what should happen,
    today's race (and the prior two) should be enjoyable.

    This year passing is possible.
    This year most drivers have been careful to
    not collide or horribly block.
    Emotions seem in safe check.

    Better cars, and some tracks are better (ie Oz just now).

    Agree about the flat, barrier-bound, boring track/s. More like slot cars
    all on the same rail.

    geoff
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Apr 10 21:26:21 2022
    On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 5:20:40 PM UTC-6, geoff wrote:

    Agree about the flat, barrier-bound, boring track/s.

    like Oz
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  • From nospam@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Apr 11 11:43:28 2022
    On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 20:42:25 -0000 (UTC), Vasco Costa <vasco.costa@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 10/04/2022, AnthonyL <nospam@please.invalid> wrote:
    In recent years with some seemingly manipulated decisions regarding
    safety cars/virtual safety cars and other instances that I now can't
    off-hand recall I was getting frustrated.

    The Michael Masi incident seems to have been a final straw. I still
    have not watch the end of that race and I have not watch any of this
    season's races.

    As a fan of F1 and in particular of Mercedes and Hamilton I empathise
    with you. There have been many atypical mistakes lately, especially
    during the 2021 season, culminating with the title decider. 2021 was my
    29th full F1 season and for the first time I pondered stop watching...

    Money has taken over interesting tracks and especially the boringly
    landscaped (or not as the case might be) of the Middle Eastern tracks.

    This is sadly true as well. Covid somehow created the false hope of
    seeing different tracks back on the calendar. The reality is that we're
    now getting back to where the higher money bids are, with more Middle
    Eastern tracks than ever and with some countries hosting multiple races, >whereas other countries with better tracks are left out.

    No doubt I'm merely showing my age and I was a bit surprised that HAM
    didn't call it a day.

    Anyway, I'm still here, just, and still haven't looked at the final
    positions of today's race. Is it worth watching or should I get an
    extra round of golf in?

    I'm turning 41

    New kid on the block ::

    soon and despite my first paragraph above, 2022 is
    proudly my 30th full F1 season. There's something stronger that still
    hooks me, despite the recent disappointments. F1 feels more like >entertainment than a true sport nowadays,

    Soap drama rather than entertainment.

    but what I've always enjoyed
    the most was the technical innovation of the cars anyway. I love F1
    above any team, driver or race director, hence I'm still around.


    Yes, I've seen your profile from other sources and your passion and
    knowledge for racing is clear.

    As for today's race, it wasn't super interesting, but I can't stress
    enough how much I urge you to watch Bahrain and Saudi Arabia. The
    opening two rounds were some of the best races I can remember in recent
    F1 history, with multiple direct fights for the win from start to
    finish. Perhaps the drivers or teams involved aren't of your liking, but
    the spectacle was of high quality and surprisingly fair, given one of
    the drivers.

    A German friend stopped watching F1 after Abu Dhabi for the same reason
    you did. I understand him,

    Sounds as if I'm in good company. Doubt that it will be enough though
    to hit revenues and cause some re-thinking.

    but just like I've subtly tried to bring him
    back, because he's missing quite some good races, I can't help but do
    the same here.


    Your efforts are appreciated. My interest in F1, though not highly
    passionate, go back to the '60s. Perhaps I've been spoilt.

    As an aside in the 60s I was lucky enough to be in a position to get
    the early racing films from Shell to show in one of the University
    lecture halls. They became so popular that we had to move to the main
    hall to accommodate the demand.

    I presume you are familiar with "The Bugatti Queen"? Another great
    piece of history and the book written by an acquaintance of mine.




    --
    AnthonyL

    Why ever wait to finish a job before starting the next?
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  • From News@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Apr 11 09:18:15 2022
    On 4/10/2022 4:09 PM, AnthonyL wrote:
    For at least the past 20 years I have studiously avoided the news and
    this forum until I've watched the highlights of qualifying and the
    race itself.

    In recent years with some seemingly manipulated decisions regarding
    safety cars/virtual safety cars and other instances that I now can't
    off-hand recall I was getting frustrated.

    The Michael Masi incident seems to have been a final straw. I still
    have not watch the end of that race and I have not watch any of this
    season's races.

    Money has taken over interesting tracks and especially the boringly landscaped (or not as the case might be) of the Middle Eastern tracks.

    No doubt I'm merely showing my age and I was a bit surprised that HAM
    didn't call it a day.

    Anyway, I'm still here, just, and still haven't looked at the final
    positions of today's race. Is it worth watching or should I get an
    extra round of golf in?



    El Supremo's 'spectacle' is long gone, thanks in part to buddy Tilke.
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Apr 11 18:44:38 2022
    AnthonyL wrote:

    For at least the past 20 years I have studiously avoided the news and
    this forum until I've watched the highlights of qualifying and the
    race itself.

    In recent years with some seemingly manipulated decisions regarding
    safety cars/virtual safety cars and other instances that I now can't
    off-hand recall I was getting frustrated.

    The Michael Masi incident seems to have been a final straw. I still
    have not watch the end of that race and I have not watch any of this
    season's races.

    Money has taken over interesting tracks and especially the boringly landscaped (or not as the case might be) of the Middle Eastern tracks.

    No doubt I'm merely showing my age and I was a bit surprised that HAM
    didn't call it a day.

    Anyway, I'm still here, just, and still haven't looked at the final
    positions of today's race. Is it worth watching or should I get an
    extra round of golf in?

    I was lucky enough to be at Goodwood Members Meeting yesterday. Even
    though I was looking forward to hearing the V10's start up I was
    surprised by the huge hit of nostalgia. Nostalgia for when I was in
    love with F1, when I watched every available moment. F1 has slowly
    eroded my love of the sport and I'm not sure they will ever quite win
    me back but I still enjoy watching the races. I don't feel the need to
    watch every lap anymore or care as much about what I am watching. It's
    like your favourite TV being written for a different audience in it's
    latest seasons.
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From News@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Apr 11 15:32:09 2022
    On 4/11/2022 2:44 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    AnthonyL wrote:

    For at least the past 20 years I have studiously avoided the news and
    this forum until I've watched the highlights of qualifying and the
    race itself.

    In recent years with some seemingly manipulated decisions regarding
    safety cars/virtual safety cars and other instances that I now can't
    off-hand recall I was getting frustrated.

    The Michael Masi incident seems to have been a final straw. I still
    have not watch the end of that race and I have not watch any of this
    season's races.

    Money has taken over interesting tracks and especially the boringly
    landscaped (or not as the case might be) of the Middle Eastern tracks.

    No doubt I'm merely showing my age and I was a bit surprised that HAM
    didn't call it a day.

    Anyway, I'm still here, just, and still haven't looked at the final
    positions of today's race. Is it worth watching or should I get an
    extra round of golf in?

    I was lucky enough to be at Goodwood Members Meeting yesterday. Even
    though I was looking forward to hearing the V10's start up I was
    surprised by the huge hit of nostalgia. Nostalgia for when I was in
    love with F1, when I watched every available moment. F1 has slowly
    eroded my love of the sport and I'm not sure they will ever quite win
    me back but I still enjoy watching the races. I don't feel the need to
    watch every lap anymore or care as much about what I am watching. It's
    like your favourite TV being written for a different audience in it's
    latest seasons.

    Likewise, the ubiquitous DFV, the Ferrari Flat12, the BRM V12, the Matra
    V12, the Tecno Flat12, and similarly rare Alfa V8. Masters only, now.
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Apr 11 18:46:44 2022
    On 2022-04-11 6:18 a.m., News wrote:
    On 4/10/2022 4:09 PM, AnthonyL wrote:
    For at least the past 20 years I have studiously avoided the news and
    this forum until I've watched the highlights of qualifying and the
    race itself.

    In recent years with some seemingly manipulated decisions regarding
    safety cars/virtual safety cars and other instances that I now can't
    off-hand recall I was getting frustrated.

    The Michael Masi incident seems to have been a final straw.-a I still
    have not watch the end of that race and I have not watch any of this
    season's races.

    Money has taken over interesting tracks and especially the boringly
    landscaped (or not as the case might be) of the Middle Eastern tracks.

    No doubt I'm merely showing my age and I was a bit surprised that HAM
    didn't call it a day.

    Anyway, I'm still here, just, and still haven't looked at the final
    positions of today's race.-a Is it worth watching or should I get an
    extra round of golf in?



    El Supremo's 'spectacle' is long gone, thanks in part to buddy Tilke.

    Why is it you people can't figure out that people such as Tilke and Masi
    DO NOT make the final decisions.

    Their job is to distract you from those who DO make those decisions.
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Apr 11 20:02:40 2022
    On 2022-04-11 12:32 p.m., News wrote:
    On 4/11/2022 2:44 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    AnthonyL wrote:

    For at least the past 20 years I have studiously avoided the news and
    this forum until I've watched the highlights of qualifying and the
    race itself.

    In recent years with some seemingly manipulated decisions regarding
    safety cars/virtual safety cars and other instances that I now can't
    off-hand recall I was getting frustrated.

    The Michael Masi incident seems to have been a final straw.-a I still
    have not watch the end of that race and I have not watch any of this
    season's races.

    Money has taken over interesting tracks and especially the boringly
    landscaped (or not as the case might be) of the Middle Eastern tracks.

    No doubt I'm merely showing my age and I was a bit surprised that HAM
    didn't call it a day.

    Anyway, I'm still here, just, and still haven't looked at the final
    positions of today's race.-a Is it worth watching or should I get an
    extra round of golf in?

    I was lucky enough to be at Goodwood Members Meeting yesterday. Even
    though I was looking forward to hearing the V10's start up I was
    surprised by the huge hit of nostalgia. Nostalgia for when I was in
    love with F1, when I watched every available moment. F1 has slowly
    eroded my love of the sport and I'm not sure they will ever quite win
    me back but I still enjoy watching the races. I don't feel the need to
    watch every lap anymore or care as much about what I am watching. It's
    like your favourite TV being written for a different audience in it's
    latest seasons.

    Likewise, the ubiquitous DFV, the Ferrari Flat12, the BRM V12, the Matra V12, the Tecno Flat12, and similarly rare Alfa V8. Masters only, now.

    Yes.

    The world changes.

    This is not news.

    Do you long for the days of the Auto Union V16 of the 1930s?

    How about the days when F1 was killing multiple drivers every year?
    Would that satisfy?

    There is no putting the genie back in the bottle. Aerodynamics and
    computers are here, and we have to work within the world that exists.
    Not some fantasy world of how much more perfect it was in our youth.
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Apr 11 20:11:17 2022
    On 2022-04-10 1:42 p.m., Vasco Costa wrote:
    On 10/04/2022, AnthonyL <nospam@please.invalid> wrote:
    In recent years with some seemingly manipulated decisions regarding
    safety cars/virtual safety cars and other instances that I now can't
    off-hand recall I was getting frustrated.

    The Michael Masi incident seems to have been a final straw. I still
    have not watch the end of that race and I have not watch any of this
    season's races.

    As a fan of F1 and in particular of Mercedes and Hamilton I empathise
    with you. There have been many atypical mistakes lately, especially
    during the 2021 season, culminating with the title decider. 2021 was my
    29th full F1 season and for the first time I pondered stop watching...

    Why would you be a fan "in particular" of Mercedes or Hamilton?

    What is so special about them that makes that your thing?


    Money has taken over interesting tracks and especially the boringly
    landscaped (or not as the case might be) of the Middle Eastern tracks.

    This is sadly true as well. Covid somehow created the false hope of
    seeing different tracks back on the calendar. The reality is that we're
    now getting back to where the higher money bids are, with more Middle
    Eastern tracks than ever and with some countries hosting multiple races, whereas other countries with better tracks are left out.

    No doubt I'm merely showing my age and I was a bit surprised that HAM
    didn't call it a day.

    Anyway, I'm still here, just, and still haven't looked at the final
    positions of today's race. Is it worth watching or should I get an
    extra round of golf in?

    I'm turning 41 soon and despite my first paragraph above, 2022 is
    proudly my 30th full F1 season. There's something stronger that still
    hooks me, despite the recent disappointments. F1 feels more like entertainment than a true sport nowadays, but what I've always enjoyed
    the most was the technical innovation of the cars anyway. I love F1
    above any team, driver or race director, hence I'm still around.

    As for today's race, it wasn't super interesting, but I can't stress
    enough how much I urge you to watch Bahrain and Saudi Arabia. The
    opening two rounds were some of the best races I can remember in recent
    F1 history, with multiple direct fights for the win from start to
    finish. Perhaps the drivers or teams involved aren't of your liking, but
    the spectacle was of high quality and surprisingly fair, given one of
    the drivers.

    A German friend stopped watching F1 after Abu Dhabi for the same reason
    you did. I understand him, but just like I've subtly tried to bring him
    back, because he's missing quite some good races, I can't help but do
    the same here.

    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Apr 12 06:57:53 2022
    On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 9:11:19 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

    Why would you be a fan "in particular" of Mercedes or Hamilton?

    You creepy fucking weirdo.
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Apr 12 16:47:55 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-04-11 12:32 p.m., News wrote:
    On 4/11/2022 2:44 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    AnthonyL wrote:

    For at least the past 20 years I have studiously avoided the
    news and this forum until I've watched the highlights of
    qualifying and the race itself.

    In recent years with some seemingly manipulated decisions
    regarding safety cars/virtual safety cars and other instances
    that I now can't off-hand recall I was getting frustrated.

    The Michael Masi incident seems to have been a final straw.-a I
    still have not watch the end of that race and I have not watch
    any of this season's races.

    Money has taken over interesting tracks and especially the
    boringly landscaped (or not as the case might be) of the Middle
    Eastern tracks.

    No doubt I'm merely showing my age and I was a bit surprised
    that HAM didn't call it a day.

    Anyway, I'm still here, just, and still haven't looked at the
    final positions of today's race.-a Is it worth watching or
    should I get an extra round of golf in?

    I was lucky enough to be at Goodwood Members Meeting yesterday.
    Even though I was looking forward to hearing the V10's start up I
    was surprised by the huge hit of nostalgia. Nostalgia for when I
    was in love with F1, when I watched every available moment. F1
    has slowly eroded my love of the sport and I'm not sure they will
    ever quite win me back but I still enjoy watching the races. I
    don't feel the need to watch every lap anymore or care as much
    about what I am watching. It's like your favourite TV being
    written for a different audience in it's latest seasons.

    Likewise, the ubiquitous DFV, the Ferrari Flat12, the BRM V12, the
    Matra V12, the Tecno Flat12, and similarly rare Alfa V8. Masters
    only, now.

    Yes.

    The world changes.

    This is not news.

    Do you long for the days of the Auto Union V16 of the 1930s?

    How about the days when F1 was killing multiple drivers every year?
    Would that satisfy?

    There is no putting the genie back in the bottle. Aerodynamics and
    computers are here, and we have to work within the world that exists.
    Not some fantasy world of how much more perfect it was in our youth.

    Another example of how easily you miss the point in your rush to be a
    contrary little twit.
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Apr 12 10:01:05 2022
    On 2022-04-12 9:47 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-04-11 12:32 p.m., News wrote:
    On 4/11/2022 2:44 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    AnthonyL wrote:

    For at least the past 20 years I have studiously avoided the
    news and this forum until I've watched the highlights of
    qualifying and the race itself.

    In recent years with some seemingly manipulated decisions
    regarding safety cars/virtual safety cars and other instances
    that I now can't off-hand recall I was getting frustrated.

    The Michael Masi incident seems to have been a final straw.-a I
    still have not watch the end of that race and I have not watch
    any of this season's races.

    Money has taken over interesting tracks and especially the
    boringly landscaped (or not as the case might be) of the Middle
    Eastern tracks.

    No doubt I'm merely showing my age and I was a bit surprised
    that HAM didn't call it a day.

    Anyway, I'm still here, just, and still haven't looked at the
    final positions of today's race.-a Is it worth watching or
    should I get an extra round of golf in?

    I was lucky enough to be at Goodwood Members Meeting yesterday.
    Even though I was looking forward to hearing the V10's start up I
    was surprised by the huge hit of nostalgia. Nostalgia for when I
    was in love with F1, when I watched every available moment. F1
    has slowly eroded my love of the sport and I'm not sure they will
    ever quite win me back but I still enjoy watching the races. I
    don't feel the need to watch every lap anymore or care as much
    about what I am watching. It's like your favourite TV being
    written for a different audience in it's latest seasons.

    Likewise, the ubiquitous DFV, the Ferrari Flat12, the BRM V12, the
    Matra V12, the Tecno Flat12, and similarly rare Alfa V8. Masters
    only, now.

    Yes.

    The world changes.

    This is not news.

    Do you long for the days of the Auto Union V16 of the 1930s?

    How about the days when F1 was killing multiple drivers every year?
    Would that satisfy?

    There is no putting the genie back in the bottle. Aerodynamics and
    computers are here, and we have to work within the world that exists.
    Not some fantasy world of how much more perfect it was in our youth.

    Another example of how easily you miss the point in your rush to be a contrary little twit.

    What do you feel the point was?
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Apr 12 12:52:20 2022
    On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 11:01:07 AM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

    What do you feel the point was?

    almost precisely or completely precisely?
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Apr 13 10:32:12 2022
    On 12/04/2022 1:46 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-04-11 6:18 a.m., News wrote:
    On 4/10/2022 4:09 PM, AnthonyL wrote:
    For at least the past 20 years I have studiously avoided the news and
    this forum until I've watched the highlights of qualifying and the
    race itself.

    In recent years with some seemingly manipulated decisions regarding
    safety cars/virtual safety cars and other instances that I now can't
    off-hand recall I was getting frustrated.

    The Michael Masi incident seems to have been a final straw.-a I still
    have not watch the end of that race and I have not watch any of this
    season's races.

    Money has taken over interesting tracks and especially the boringly
    landscaped (or not as the case might be) of the Middle Eastern tracks.

    No doubt I'm merely showing my age and I was a bit surprised that HAM
    didn't call it a day.

    Anyway, I'm still here, just, and still haven't looked at the final
    positions of today's race.-a Is it worth watching or should I get an
    extra round of golf in?



    El Supremo's 'spectacle' is long gone, thanks in part to buddy Tilke.

    Why is it you people can't figure out that people such as Tilke and Masi
    DO NOT make the final decisions.

    Their job is to distract you from those who DO make those decisions.

    Yeah it's a CONSPIRACY !

    geoff
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Apr 12 18:22:21 2022
    On 2022-04-12 3:32 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 12/04/2022 1:46 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-04-11 6:18 a.m., News wrote:
    On 4/10/2022 4:09 PM, AnthonyL wrote:
    For at least the past 20 years I have studiously avoided the news and
    this forum until I've watched the highlights of qualifying and the
    race itself.

    In recent years with some seemingly manipulated decisions regarding
    safety cars/virtual safety cars and other instances that I now can't
    off-hand recall I was getting frustrated.

    The Michael Masi incident seems to have been a final straw.-a I still
    have not watch the end of that race and I have not watch any of this
    season's races.

    Money has taken over interesting tracks and especially the boringly
    landscaped (or not as the case might be) of the Middle Eastern tracks. >>>>
    No doubt I'm merely showing my age and I was a bit surprised that HAM
    didn't call it a day.

    Anyway, I'm still here, just, and still haven't looked at the final
    positions of today's race.-a Is it worth watching or should I get an
    extra round of golf in?



    El Supremo's 'spectacle' is long gone, thanks in part to buddy Tilke.

    Why is it you people can't figure out that people such as Tilke and
    Masi DO NOT make the final decisions.

    Their job is to distract you from those who DO make those decisions.

    Yeah it's a CONSPIRACY !

    In a sense, yes, it is.

    The commissioner in a major sport (such as hockey) is in the same
    position: he takes the heat so that people will ignore the fact that he
    only does what the owners want done.

    Tilke designs tracks...

    ...but they don't get built without the agreement of those in charge.

    Masi was running the races...

    ...and doing so in the manner desired by those in charge.
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Apr 12 18:39:36 2022
    On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 7:22:23 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

    In a sense, yes, it is.

    But you have no sense.
    So that means fuck all.
    You have no credibility here.
    Logoff and FOAD.
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  • From Phil Carmody@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Apr 21 13:39:27 2022
    a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> writes:
    On 4/10/2022 1:09 PM, AnthonyL wrote:
    For at least the past 20 years I have studiously avoided the news and
    this forum until I've watched the highlights of qualifying and the
    race itself.
    ...
    In my opinion, if you can try to just enjoy the competition,
    without a strong feeling as to what should happen,
    today's race (and the prior two) should be enjoyable.

    This year passing is possible.
    This year most drivers have been careful to
    not collide or horribly block.
    Emotions seem in safe check.

    In general agreement. I'm not going to let one moment of idiocy spoil
    my enjoyment of watching the best in the world doing what they're
    good at. And right now, the field is very strong. I almost don't have
    any single team/driver preferences. I even like it when either Sainz
    or Leclerc do well even though I give no fucks for Ferrari. Most of
    the dross has been cleared out - I'm positive.

    Phil
    --
    We are no longer hunters and nomads. No longer awed and frightened, as we have gained some understanding of the world in which we live. As such, we can cast aside childish remnants from the dawn of our civilization.
    -- NotSanguine on SoylentNews, after Eugen Weber in /The Western Tradition/
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