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  • Spain 2022 - VER's DRS

    From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed May 25 09:01:51 2022
    Could it have been simply him pressing frantically in his elevated state
    of mind, double-pressing it, closing it prematurely or even before it
    has a chance to open ?

    Hard to imagine, but he does appear to get really 'het up' very easily.

    geoff
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  • From Edmund@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue May 24 23:32:36 2022
    On 5/24/22 23:01, geoff wrote:
    Could it have been simply him pressing frantically in his elevated state of mind, double-pressing it, closing it prematurely or even before it has a chance to open ?

    Hard to imagine, but he does appear to get really 'het up' very easily.

    geoff

    Well I heard some ""explanation"" something about equal treatment, they provided Max with a lighter car.
    That??? somehow caused the DRS problem.

    To me it seems more that they had some kind of Ferrari, fuel measurement distortion set that caused the failure
    but what do I know. If they say it is the weight of the car..... :-)




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  • From alister@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed May 25 09:08:42 2022
    On Wed, 25 May 2022 09:01:51 +1200, geoff wrote:

    Could it have been simply him pressing frantically in his elevated state
    of mind, double-pressing it, closing it prematurely or even before it
    has a chance to open ?

    Hard to imagine, but he does appear to get really 'het up' very easily.

    geoff

    I call B******T on the double press idea.

    As I understood things with DRS, it opens on the press of the button &
    closes when the driver first applys the breaks,
    why would anyone design a system where it could be manually closed WITH
    THE SAME BUTTON!



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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed May 25 22:32:44 2022
    On 25/05/2022 9:08 pm, alister wrote:
    On Wed, 25 May 2022 09:01:51 +1200, geoff wrote:

    Could it have been simply him pressing frantically in his elevated state
    of mind, double-pressing it, closing it prematurely or even before it
    has a chance to open ?

    Hard to imagine, but he does appear to get really 'het up' very easily.

    geoff

    I call B******T on the double press idea.

    Not bullshit unless it's a statement, rather than a question.


    As I understood things with DRS, it opens on the press of the button &
    closes when the driver first applys the breaks,
    why would anyone design a system where it could be manually closed WITH
    THE SAME BUTTON!

    I actually don't know wrt DRS, but plenty of other things are push-on/push-off.

    geoff
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  • From Mark@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed May 25 11:37:36 2022
    Edmund <nomail@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 5/24/22 23:01, geoff wrote:
    Could it have been simply him pressing frantically in his elevated state of mind, double-pressing it, closing it prematurely or even before it has a chance to open ?

    Hard to imagine, but he does appear to get really 'het up' very easily.

    Well I heard some ""explanation"" something about equal treatment, they provided Max with a lighter car.
    That??? somehow caused the DRS problem.

    Related to this, I read a piece (referencing Scarbs) which suggested
    that in their quest to slim down, the DRS mechanism had been
    re-engineered to reduce its complexity and (hence) weight. They believe
    they've simply got the tolerances wrong, and that is what led to the unreliability.
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  • From alister@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed May 25 13:42:22 2022
    On Wed, 25 May 2022 22:32:44 +1200, geoff wrote:

    On 25/05/2022 9:08 pm, alister wrote:
    On Wed, 25 May 2022 09:01:51 +1200, geoff wrote:

    Could it have been simply him pressing frantically in his elevated
    state of mind, double-pressing it, closing it prematurely or even
    before it has a chance to open ?

    Hard to imagine, but he does appear to get really 'het up' very
    easily.

    geoff

    I call B******T on the double press idea.

    Not bullshit unless it's a statement, rather than a question.

    but is was a suggestion I herd during the race as well


    As I understood things with DRS, it opens on the press of the button &
    closes when the driver first applys the breaks,
    why would anyone design a system where it could be manually closed WITH
    THE SAME BUTTON!

    I actually don't know wrt DRS, but plenty of other things are push-on/push-off.

    geoff

    yes,but you would not use that sort of design for a system that you did
    not want the risk of accidental switch off.
    if it is designed in that way then the designer needs re-educating


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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed May 25 14:57:02 2022
    On 2022-05-25 3:32 a.m., geoff wrote:
    On 25/05/2022 9:08 pm, alister wrote:
    On Wed, 25 May 2022 09:01:51 +1200, geoff wrote:

    Could it have been simply him pressing frantically in his elevated state >>> of mind, double-pressing it, closing it prematurely or even before it
    has a chance to open ?

    Hard to imagine, but he does appear to get really 'het up' very easily.

    geoff

    I call B******T on the double press idea.

    Not bullshit unless it's a statement, rather than a question.


    As I understood things with DRS, it opens on the press of the button &
    closes when the driver first applys the breaks,
    why would anyone design a system where it could be manually closed WITH
    THE SAME BUTTON!

    I actually don't know wrt DRS, but plenty of other things are push-on/push-off.

    Yes... ...but given the bouncy nature of a racing cockpit, making the
    CHOICE to do it that way would be really dumb.

    I don't think Adrian Newey, or anyone on his team is that dumb.
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed May 25 14:58:17 2022
    On 2022-05-25 4:37 a.m., Mark wrote:
    Edmund <nomail@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 5/24/22 23:01, geoff wrote:
    Could it have been simply him pressing frantically in his elevated state of mind, double-pressing it, closing it prematurely or even before it has a chance to open ?

    Hard to imagine, but he does appear to get really 'het up' very easily.

    Well I heard some ""explanation"" something about equal treatment, they provided Max with a lighter car.
    That??? somehow caused the DRS problem.

    Related to this, I read a piece (referencing Scarbs) which suggested
    that in their quest to slim down, the DRS mechanism had been
    re-engineered to reduce its complexity and (hence) weight. They believe they've simply got the tolerances wrong, and that is what led to the unreliability.

    All it would take would be for whatever mechanism triggers the closing
    of the DRS (presumably one or more sensors in the brake system) to get a
    false positive; presumably by the vibrations of running over the kerbs.
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed May 25 15:02:45 2022
    On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 3:57:05 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

    bouncy nature

    you sound queer
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed May 25 15:04:42 2022
    On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 3:58:19 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

    presumably
    presumably

    lol
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu May 26 16:52:10 2022
    On 26/05/2022 9:57 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-05-25 3:32 a.m., geoff wrote:
    On 25/05/2022 9:08 pm, alister wrote:
    On Wed, 25 May 2022 09:01:51 +1200, geoff wrote:

    Could it have been simply him pressing frantically in his elevated
    state
    of mind, double-pressing it, closing it prematurely or even before it
    has a chance to open ?

    Hard to imagine, but he does appear to get really 'het up' very easily. >>>>
    geoff

    I call B******T on the double press idea.

    Not bullshit unless it's a statement, rather than a question.


    As I understood things with DRS, it opens on the press of the button &
    closes when the driver first applys the breaks,
    why would anyone design a system where it could be manually closed WITH
    THE SAME BUTTON!

    I actually don't know wrt DRS, but plenty of other things are
    push-on/push-off.

    Yes... ...but given the bouncy nature of a racing cockpit, making the
    CHOICE to do it that way would be really dumb.

    I don't think Adrian Newey, or anyone on his team is that dumb.

    Did I hear team radio asking something to the effect of "Are you sure
    you're not pushing it twice ?" ?

    geoff
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed May 25 22:51:28 2022
    On 2022-05-25 9:52 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 26/05/2022 9:57 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-05-25 3:32 a.m., geoff wrote:
    On 25/05/2022 9:08 pm, alister wrote:
    On Wed, 25 May 2022 09:01:51 +1200, geoff wrote:

    Could it have been simply him pressing frantically in his elevated
    state
    of mind, double-pressing it, closing it prematurely or even before it >>>>> has a chance to open ?

    Hard to imagine, but he does appear to get really 'het up' very
    easily.

    geoff

    I call B******T on the double press idea.

    Not bullshit unless it's a statement, rather than a question.


    As I understood things with DRS, it opens on the press of the button & >>>> closes when the driver first applys the breaks,
    why would anyone design a system where it could be manually closed WITH >>>> THE SAME BUTTON!

    I actually don't know wrt DRS, but plenty of other things are
    push-on/push-off.

    Yes... ...but given the bouncy nature of a racing cockpit, making the
    CHOICE to do it that way would be really dumb.

    I don't think Adrian Newey, or anyone on his team is that dumb.

    Did I hear team radio asking something to the effect of "Are you sure
    you're not pushing it twice ?" ?

    I don't think so, but I'll be honest and say I'm far from certain.

    I know they were telling him not to press it over and over...

    ...but that would suggest he knows that it can't close the DRS normall.
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  • From alister@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu May 26 08:55:27 2022
    On Wed, 25 May 2022 14:58:17 -0700, Alan wrote:

    On 2022-05-25 4:37 a.m., Mark wrote:
    Edmund <nomail@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 5/24/22 23:01, geoff wrote:
    Could it have been simply him pressing frantically in his elevated
    state of mind, double-pressing it, closing it prematurely or even
    before it has a chance to open ?

    Hard to imagine, but he does appear to get really 'het up' very
    easily.

    Well I heard some ""explanation"" something about equal treatment,
    they provided Max with a lighter car.
    That??? somehow caused the DRS problem.

    Related to this, I read a piece (referencing Scarbs) which suggested
    that in their quest to slim down, the DRS mechanism had been
    re-engineered to reduce its complexity and (hence) weight. They believe
    they've simply got the tolerances wrong, and that is what led to the
    unreliability.

    All it would take would be for whatever mechanism triggers the closing
    of the DRS (presumably one or more sensors in the brake system) to get a false positive; presumably by the vibrations of running over the kerbs.

    That is certainly more plausible than the 2nd button push theory & would indicate that there is insufficient debouncing in the sensor circuit (a
    term all electronics firmware engineers working with switches should be
    aware of)



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  • From Alan LeHun@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu May 26 14:35:27 2022
    In article <YNqdnRd8WYLmmhL_nZ2dnUU7-YGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org says...
    Did I hear team radio asking something to the effect of "Are you sure
    you're not pushing it twice ?" ?



    Lap 21

    Lambiase Max I think you may have closed it last time around.
    Verstappen Because I?m pressing it 50 fucking times before it opens. Lambiase Just try one button press after the kerb.

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  • From Mark@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu May 26 13:44:50 2022
    Alan LeHun <try@reply.to> wrote:
    In article <YNqdnRd8WYLmmhL_nZ2dnUU7-YGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org says...
    Did I hear team radio asking something to the effect of "Are you sure
    you're not pushing it twice ?" ?

    Lap 21

    Lambiase Max I think you may have closed it last time around. Verstappen Because I?m pressing it 50 fucking times before it opens. Lambiase Just try one button press after the kerb.

    That sounds as though they are concerned that the repeated pushing is
    confusing the logic. It wouldn't shock me if the system was designed to
    filter out electrical noise and could misinterpret multiple quick
    presses - particularly if the signal was weak - as an error not an
    instruction.

    I can't explain the closing comment. Like someone else said, I am sure
    they're designed to open when the button is pressed and close when the
    brake is applied.

    Only the team will know, though.
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu May 26 08:20:50 2022
    On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 11:51:30 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

    I'll be honest

    Thank you for being honest.
    Are you going to be alright?
    You fucking idiot.
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