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    From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Jun 20 11:43:47 2022
    Say there is a gearbox failure. Assuming not totally trashed, what
    degree of repair can be done before it is classified as being a
    'replacement' ?

    Similarly wrt engine, electronics, etc ?

    geoff
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  • From a425couple@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Jun 20 10:34:55 2022
    On 6/19/2022 4:43 PM, geoff wrote:
    what
    degree of repair can be done before it is classified as being a 'replacement' ?

    Similarly wrt engine, electronics, etc ?


    Good question.
    I used to think I knew a reasonable answer.
    Then I saw an engine block, where a piston
    went out the side, through the cylinder wall,
    water jacket, and exterior,
    get 'repaired' by an excellent welder.

    By the way, did you know there are now more
    Lotus 19s, than were ever built? !!
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  • From Sir Tim@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Jun 20 22:12:15 2022
    a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 6/19/2022 4:43 PM, geoff wrote:
    what
    degree of repair can be done before it is classified as being a
    'replacement' ?

    Similarly wrt engine, electronics, etc ?


    Good question.
    I used to think I knew a reasonable answer.
    Then I saw an engine block, where a piston
    went out the side, through the cylinder wall,
    water jacket, and exterior,
    get 'repaired' by an excellent welder.

    By the way, did you know there are now more
    Lotus 19s, than were ever built? !!

    Applies to several types in historic racing I believe (rCLgenuinerCY chassis plates seem to be readily available if you know where to go).

    --
    Sir Tim
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  • From ~misfit~@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Jun 21 13:24:48 2022
    On 21/06/2022 5:34 am, a425couple wrote:
    On 6/19/2022 4:43 PM, geoff wrote:
    -awhat degree of repair can be done before it is classified as being a 'replacement' ?

    Similarly wrt engine, electronics, etc ?

    Good question.
    I used to think I knew a reasonable answer.
    Then I saw an engine block, where a piston
    went out the side, through the cylinder wall,
    water jacket, and exterior,

    Otherwise known as 'putting a leg out of bed'.

    get 'repaired' by an excellent welder.

    When replacements are no longer available repair is the only option. It's amazing what a good TIG
    welder can do.

    By the way, did you know there are now more
    Lotus 19s, than were ever built?-a !!

    I assume that you mean 'ever built by Lotus'? Otherwise you're implying they're either breeding of
    spontaneously springing into being. ;)
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    Shaun.

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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Jun 23 19:06:16 2022
    On 2022-06-19 16:43, geoff wrote:
    Say there is a gearbox failure. Assuming not totally trashed, what
    degree of repair can be done before it is classified as being a 'replacement' ?

    Similarly wrt engine, electronics, etc ?

    geoff

    When the rules say it is.
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Jun 23 19:07:18 2022
    On 2022-06-20 15:12, Sir Tim wrote:
    a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 6/19/2022 4:43 PM, geoff wrote:
    what
    degree of repair can be done before it is classified as being a
    'replacement' ?

    Similarly wrt engine, electronics, etc ?


    Good question.
    I used to think I knew a reasonable answer.
    Then I saw an engine block, where a piston
    went out the side, through the cylinder wall,
    water jacket, and exterior,
    get 'repaired' by an excellent welder.

    By the way, did you know there are now more
    Lotus 19s, than were ever built? !!

    Applies to several types in historic racing I believe (rCLgenuinerCY chassis plates seem to be readily available if you know where to go).


    It was said that one of the least expensive Ferraris to prang was the
    famous GTO...

    ...because despite the $6 million price, you were really only paying for
    the chassis plate.
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Jun 23 19:37:53 2022
    On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 8:07:20 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

    It was said that one of the least expensive Ferraris to prang was the
    famous GTO...

    ...because despite the $6 million price, you were really only paying for
    the chassis plate.

    ...form...a...sentence...you...brain...dead...cock...sucker...
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Jun 23 19:50:36 2022
    On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 8:07:20 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

    It was said

    lol

    that one of the least expensive Ferraris to prang was the
    famous GTO...

    link?
    you fucking cunt
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Jun 24 01:06:30 2022
    On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 8:07:20 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

    prang

    ?
    you fucking mother fucking cock sucking
    asshole cunt hole loser fuck wad
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Jun 24 01:10:07 2022
    On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 8:07:20 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

    prang

    kill yourself
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  • From bra@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Jun 24 09:14:29 2022
    On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 3:12:19 PM UTC-7, Sir Tim wrote:
    By the way, did you know there are now more
    Lotus 19s, than were ever built? !!

    Applies to several types in historic racing I believe (rCLgenuinerCY chassis plates seem to be readily available if you know where to go).

    --
    Sir Tim
    Certainly a notorious Belgian dealer had a couple of 'new' Ferrari 250GT0s made, and with the car would come a list of Ferrari's original part / chassis serial numbers.
    What the customer did with that knowledge was 'not his business' of course.
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Jun 29 10:39:07 2022
    On 20/06/2022 11:43 am, geoff wrote:
    Say there is a gearbox failure. Assuming not totally trashed, what
    degree of repair can be done before it is classified as being a 'replacement' ?

    Similarly wrt engine, electronics, etc ?

    geoff

    This article today goes some way to explain: https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.how-do-f1-engine-penalties-work.7aLmj23MgHiv9Rin48ROrY.html

    But more specifically (other than the explained 'gearbox' scenario) how
    much can you fix in, say, the electronic control unit before it is
    deemed to be ''new'. A new CPU (or two), new memory chips, a failed
    capacitor or two, a whole PCB or internal module, etc ?

    Or a ICU - a new piston, new rings, a cylinder liner perhaps,
    injector(s) ....?

    Yes, it is what the FIA deem to be acceptable, but would be interesting
    to know what level that is.

    geoff
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