Your thoughts on the '22 F1 season at the summer break?
Your thoughts on the '22 F1 season at the summer break?
For me the happy surprise is that the dart throwers who run F1 aero rules actually produced a package that lets cars race. Compare to the last package where staying close to a car ahead would ruin the trailing cars front tires and/or overheat the breaks.
On the team level Mercs failure to show up with a front row car is bewildering. And not just the bouncing, this years engine seems down on power compared to Red Bull and Ferrari.
Most fans were looking forward to a rematch between Lewis and Max and that's just not happening. It's a good thing Ferrari has finally recovered or the WCC and WDC would already be completely over.
Not a complete surprise as Ross Brawn had a bit to do with that.
Not so bewildering when you consider the flexi-floor that both RBR
and Ferrari have (that's supposed to be sorted before Spa now the
'grey area' has been defined a little more).
Also, knowing the ICE development is frozen and modifications are
only allowed for reliability purposes for the next few years it
seems Ferrari (and to a lesser extent RBR) have deliberately gone
with a power unit that delivers more power but has a tendency to self-destruct. That way they've got power to match Mercedes for
now and will be allowed to continue to develop their ICE in the
name of reliability.
Mercedes went conservative with the PU as they were already good on
power and they didn't bend the aero rules.
Ferrari recovered? Their strategy team is as incompetent as ever
and they've already taken engine penalties - and are likely to be
taking more after the summer break. Add to that the fact that they
(along with RBR) resisted the new floor flexing rules that are
coming in and maybe they're going to be slower too in the races
that they finish.
Your thoughts on the '22 F1 season at the summer break?
Also, knowing the ICE development is frozen and modifications are only allowed for reliability<snip>
purposes for the next few years it seems Ferrari (and to a lesser extent RBR) have deliberately
gone with a power unit that delivers more power but has a tendency to self-destruct. That way
they've got power to match Mercedes for now and will be allowed to continue to develop their ICE in
the name of reliability.
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Shaun.
On 5/08/2022 6:06 am, XYXPDQ wrote:
For me the happy surprise is that the dart throwers who run F1 aero
rules actually produced a package that lets cars race.-a-a Compare to
the last package where staying close to a car ahead would ruin the
trailing cars front tires and/or overheat the breaks.
Not a complete surprise as Ross Brawn had a bit to do with that.
On the team level Mercs failure to show up with a front row car is
bewildering.-a And not just the bouncing, this years engine seems down
on power compared to Red Bull and Ferrari.
Not so bewildering when you consider the flexi-floor that both RBR and Ferrari have (that's supposed to be sorted before Spa now the 'grey
area' has been defined a little more).
Also, knowing the ICE development is frozen and modifications are only allowed for reliability purposes for the next few years it seems Ferrari (and to a lesser extent RBR) have deliberately gone with a power unit
that delivers more power but has a tendency to self-destruct. That way they've got power to match Mercedes for now and will be allowed to
continue to develop their ICE in the name of reliability.
Mercedes went conservative with the PU as they were already good on
power and they didn't bend the aero rules.
Neither Ferrari nor Red Bull "bent" the rules.
They built a car that passed the test the rules mandated.
In article <tcrmgt$10luo$3@dont-email.me>,
Neither Ferrari nor Red Bull "bent" the rules.
They built a car that passed the test the rules mandated.
So why didn't mercedes do the same? They didn't because they
understood and respected the intention of the rules whereas ....
If merc had been the only team to do this, it would have been stopped
months ago. Remind me again how many mm lewis's rear wing was over by?
On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 6:56:46 PM UTC-5, ~misfit~ wrote:
<snip>
Also, knowing the ICE development is frozen and modifications are only allowed for reliability<snip>
purposes for the next few years it seems Ferrari (and to a lesser extent RBR) have deliberately
gone with a power unit that delivers more power but has a tendency to self-destruct. That way
they've got power to match Mercedes for now and will be allowed to continue to develop their ICE in
the name of reliability.
--
Shaun.
Interesting take. Do you really think the wonks said "let's push the envelope on the engine and we can take advantage of a few "kablamohs" to keep developing the engine for the future..."?
I can almost see that level of Machiavellian intrigue at RBR but I'm not sure Ferrari is, I'll say, that good at forward thinking these days.
On 2022-08-08 13:12, Bob Latham wrote:
In article <tcrmgt$10luo$3@dont-email.me>,
Neither Ferrari nor Red Bull "bent" the rules.
They built a car that passed the test the rules mandated.
So why didn't mercedes do the same? They didn't because they
understood and respected the intention of the rules whereas ....
"respect the intention of the rules"?
What nonsense.
EVERY team tries to build a car that utilizes every loophole it can
think of. Period.
If merc had been the only team to do this, it would have been
stopped months ago. Remind me again how many mm lewis's rear wing
was over by?
It was over by enough that it failed the test.
THAT is failing to obey the rules.
If it had passed the test by a micrometer, would you argue that it
was against the "intention of the rules"?
In article <tcs02i$11kh5$1@dont-email.me>,
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-08-08 13:12, Bob Latham wrote:
In article <tcrmgt$10luo$3@dont-email.me>,
Neither Ferrari nor Red Bull "bent" the rules.
They built a car that passed the test the rules mandated.
So why didn't mercedes do the same? They didn't because they
understood and respected the intention of the rules whereas ....
"respect the intention of the rules"?
What nonsense.
EVERY team tries to build a car that utilizes every loophole it can
think of. Period.
Oh I see and merc were to stupid to spot that "loophole" I suppose?
If merc had been the only team to do this, it would have been
stopped months ago. Remind me again how many mm lewis's rear wing
was over by?
It was over by enough that it failed the test.
Yes, by a tiny amount which clearly had no real effect and was
obviously a mistake.
THAT is failing to obey the rules.
Had it been Ferrari or red bull they would have been told to get it
fixed by the summer break or in a few races time. As we've seen.
If it had passed the test by a micrometer, would you argue that it
was against the "intention of the rules"?
Now who's talking nonsense.
It became obvious to me in Spa 2008 that officials had every
intention of stopping Hamilton if they could trump up charges to
justify it. The only time I've ever seen rules made on the fly to
cheat someone of their points. He did give back the place and drop
back so must have been slower at that time. No advantage.
Then the extremely harsh wing judgement and again I can't think of
anything equivalent for any other driver.
Then the end of last year which for me brought F1 into disgrace and
TV commentators shown to be "on side". Rules ignored to get Hamilton,
who is the current world champion.
I'm sure there were many more petty, vindictive things done against
Hamilton we don't even know about - yet.
To deny that hamilton is not being treated differently is
disingenuous at best.
This from a guy that isn't a Hamilton fan, I'd prefer George or Lando
myself as they don't wear clown clothes or support nasty communist,
corrupt organisations.
Period.
If it had passed the test by a micrometer, would you argue that it was against the "intention of the rules"?
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