Following up on the Ancelotti thread, it would be interesting to see where we net out on who we perceive to be the best this millennium.One more thought - you can use whatever criteria makes most sense to you. So for example, going mainly by trophies, Ancelotti would be a good choice; going by influence on others, Bielsa might stand out; for punching above their $ weight, Klopp....and so on.
Ground rules similar to the RSS Coach Sack competition. You get 10 weightage points which you can allocate to managers of your choice, with a limit of 3 points per manager (so people don't over-index on one manager and skew the results).
For eligibility, a manager could have overlapped both millenniums, but with decent representation in the 21st (so for example, Sacchi only managed until 2001, so he would not make a lot of sense).
On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 1:27:36 PM UTC-4, Al Kamista wrote:Sorry but yet one more thought. Choices could be from anywhere in the world. So if Jesus wants to pick a local South American, or Mark wants to pick a domestic Cameroonian coach, all good!
Following up on the Ancelotti thread, it would be interesting to see where we net out on who we perceive to be the best this millennium.
Ground rules similar to the RSS Coach Sack competition. You get 10 weightage points which you can allocate to managers of your choice, with a limit of 3 points per manager (so people don't over-index on one manager and skew the results).
For eligibility, a manager could have overlapped both millenniums, but with decent representation in the 21st (so for example, Sacchi only managed until 2001, so he would not make a lot of sense).One more thought - you can use whatever criteria makes most sense to you. So for example, going mainly by trophies, Ancelotti would be a good choice; going by influence on others, Bielsa might stand out; for punching above their $ weight, Klopp....and so on.
Ground rules similar to the RSS Coach Sack competition. You get 10 weightage points which you can allocate to managers of your choice, with a limit of 3 points per manager (so people don't over-index on one manager and skew the results).
On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 1:27:36 PM UTC-4, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
Ground rules similar to the RSS Coach Sack competition. You get 10 weightage points which you can allocate to managers of your choice, with a limit of 3 points per manager (so people don't over-index on one manager and skew the results).Are we allowed decimal points?
On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 1:56:46 PM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 1:27:36 PM UTC-4, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
Ha, sure.Ground rules similar to the RSS Coach Sack competition. You get 10 weightage points which you can allocate to managers of your choice, with a limit of 3 points per manager (so people don't over-index on one manager and skew the results).Are we allowed decimal points?
On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 2:04:38 PM UTC-4, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 1:56:46 PM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 1:27:36 PM UTC-4, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
Great, SophCon rules! But I won't abuse it...or maybe I willHa, sure.Ground rules similar to the RSS Coach Sack competition. You get 10 weightage points which you can allocate to managers of your choice, with a limit of 3 points per manager (so people don't over-index on one manager and skew the results).Are we allowed decimal points?
Guardiola 3
Klopp 1.75
Conte 1.75
Simeone 1.5
Following up on the Ancelotti thread, it would be interesting to see where we net out on who we perceive to be the best this millennium.
Ground rules similar to the RSS Coach Sack competition. You get 10 weightage points which you can allocate to managers of your choice, with a limit of 3 points
per manager (so people don't over-index on one manager and skew the results).
For eligibility, a manager could have overlapped both millenniums, but with decent representation in the 21st (so for example, Sacchi only managed until 2001,
so he would not make a lot of sense).
Following up on the Ancelotti thread, it would be interesting to see where we net out on who we perceive to be the best this millennium.
Ground rules similar to the RSS Coach Sack competition. You get 10 weightage points which you can allocate to managers of your choice, with a limit of 3 points per manager (so people don't over-index on one manager and skew the results).
For eligibility, a manager could have overlapped both millenniums, but with decent representation in the 21st (so for example, Sacchi only managed until 2001, so he would not make a lot of sense).
On 2022-05-02 11:27, Al Kamista wrote:NT sure, women, up to you.
Following up on the Ancelotti thread, it would be interesting to see where we net out on who we perceive to be the best this millennium.
Ground rules similar to the RSS Coach Sack competition. You get 10 weightage points which you can allocate to managers of your choice, with a limit of 3 points per manager (so people don't over-index on one manager and skew the results).
For eligibility, a manager could have overlapped both millenniums, but with decent representation in the 21st (so for example, Sacchi only managed until 2001, so he would not make a lot of sense).Are we restricting this to achievements with clubs, or are national team coaches fair game, even if they have done little (L||w) or a fair bit (Deschamps) at club level? Women's coaches ?
I am half tempted to give some token credit to Herdman.
Following up on the Ancelotti thread, it would be interesting to see where we net out on who we perceive to be the best this millennium.
Ground rules similar to the RSS Coach Sack competition. You get 10 weightage points which you can allocate to managers of your choice, with a limit of 3 points per manager (so people don't over-index on one manager and skew the results).
For eligibility, a manager could have overlapped both millenniums, but with decent representation in the 21st (so for example, Sacchi only managed until 2001, so he would not make a lot of sense).
On 2022-05-02 11:27, Al Kamista wrote:
Following up on the Ancelotti thread, it would be interesting to see where we net out on who we perceive to be the best this millennium.
Ground rules similar to the RSS Coach Sack competition. You get 10 weightage points which you can allocate to managers of your choice, with a limit of 3 points per manager (so people don't over-index on one manager and skew the results).
For eligibility, a manager could have overlapped both millenniums, but with decent representation in the 21st (so for example, Sacchi only managed until 2001, so he would not make a lot of sense).Who do people think deserves consideration for the second half of the
20th Century. Lots of possibles:
Helenio Herrera
Bela Guttman
Rinus Michels
Johan Cruyff
Jock Stein
Matt Busby
Bill Shankly
Bob Paisley
Brian Clough
Udo Lattek
Guy Roux
Marcelo Lippi
.....more...
On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 10:55:54 PM UTC+1, MH wrote:
On 2022-05-02 11:27, Al Kamista wrote:
Following up on the Ancelotti thread, it would be interesting to see where we net out on who we perceive to be the best this millennium.Who do people think deserves consideration for the second half of the
Ground rules similar to the RSS Coach Sack competition. You get 10 weightage points which you can allocate to managers of your choice, with a limit of 3 points per manager (so people don't over-index on one manager and skew the results).
For eligibility, a manager could have overlapped both millenniums, but with decent representation in the 21st (so for example, Sacchi only managed until 2001, so he would not make a lot of sense).
20th Century. Lots of possibles:
Helenio Herrera
Bela Guttman
Rinus Michels
Johan Cruyff
Jock Stein
Matt Busby
Bill Shankly
Bob Paisley
Brian Clough
Udo Lattek
Guy Roux
Marcelo Lippi
.....more...
Maybe we should have a poll for greatest coach of all time.
On 2022-05-02 11:27, Al Kamista wrote:
Helenio Herrera
Bela Guttman
Rinus Michels
Johan Cruyff
Jock Stein
Matt Busby
Bill Shankly
Bob Paisley
Brian Clough
Udo Lattek
Guy Roux
Marcelo Lippi
On 2022-05-02 11:27, Al Kamista wrote:How about making your picks?
Following up on the Ancelotti thread, it would be interesting to see where we net out on who we perceive to be the best this millennium.
Ground rules similar to the RSS Coach Sack competition. You get 10 weightage points which you can allocate to managers of your choice, with a limit of 3 points per manager (so people don't over-index on one manager and skew the results).
For eligibility, a manager could have overlapped both millenniums, but with decent representation in the 21st (so for example, Sacchi only managed until 2001, so he would not make a lot of sense).Are we restricting this to achievements with clubs, or are national team coaches fair game, even if they have done little (L||w) or a fair bit (Deschamps) at club level? Women's coaches ?
I am half tempted to give some token credit to Herdman.
On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 11:42:54 AM UTC-4, MH wrote:
On 2022-05-02 11:27, Al Kamista wrote:
Following up on the Ancelotti thread, it would be interesting to see where we net out on who we perceive to be the best this millennium.Are we restricting this to achievements with clubs, or are national team
Ground rules similar to the RSS Coach Sack competition. You get 10 weightage points which you can allocate to managers of your choice, with a limit of 3 points per manager (so people don't over-index on one manager and skew the results).
For eligibility, a manager could have overlapped both millenniums, but with decent representation in the 21st (so for example, Sacchi only managed until 2001, so he would not make a lot of sense).
coaches fair game, even if they have done little (L||w) or a fair bit
(Deschamps) at club level? Women's coaches ?
I am half tempted to give some token credit to Herdman.
How about making your picks?
On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 5:55:54 PM UTC-4, MH wrote:
On 2022-05-02 11:27, Al Kamista wrote:
Helenio HerreraI would throw in here Trapattoni and Sacchi. Trapattoni because he won a lot, and with different teams. Sacchi had a very short peak, but hid ideas and style were transformative, and I put a lot of weight on that.
Bela Guttman
Rinus Michels
Johan Cruyff
Jock Stein
Matt Busby
Bill Shankly
Bob Paisley
Brian Clough
Udo Lattek
Guy Roux
Marcelo Lippi
On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 4:57:29 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 5:55:54 PM UTC-4, MH wrote:
On 2022-05-02 11:27, Al Kamista wrote:I would throw in here Trapattoni and Sacchi. Trapattoni because he won a lot, and with different teams. Sacchi had a very short peak, but hid ideas and style were transformative, and I put a lot of weight on that.
Helenio Herrera
Bela Guttman
Rinus Michels
Johan Cruyff
Jock Stein
Matt Busby
Bill Shankly
Bob Paisley
Brian Clough
Udo Lattek
Guy Roux
Marcelo Lippi
And we can't forget Tele Santana.
And maybe Ernst Happel.
On 2022-05-05 14:01, Mark wrote:Tel|- was big.
On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 4:57:29 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 5:55:54 PM UTC-4, MH wrote:
On 2022-05-02 11:27, Al Kamista wrote:I would throw in here Trapattoni and Sacchi. Trapattoni because he won a lot, and with different teams. Sacchi had a very short peak, but hid ideas and style were transformative, and I put a lot of weight on that.
Helenio Herrera
Bela Guttman
Rinus Michels
Johan Cruyff
Jock Stein
Matt Busby
Bill Shankly
Bob Paisley
Brian Clough
Udo Lattek
Guy Roux
Marcelo Lippi
And we can't forget Tele Santana.Would be interested to hear from Lleo/Clement/Jesus how they would rank
him compared to eg. Zagalo and others.
On 2022-05-04 11:48, Al Kamista wrote:
On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 11:42:54 AM UTC-4, MH wrote:
On 2022-05-02 11:27, Al Kamista wrote:
Following up on the Ancelotti thread, it would be interesting to seeAre we restricting this to achievements with clubs, or are national team >>> coaches fair game, even if they have done little (L||w) or a fair bit
where we net out on who we perceive to be the best this millennium.
Ground rules similar to the RSS Coach Sack competition. You get 10
weightage points which you can allocate to managers of your choice,
with a limit of 3 points per manager (so people don't over-index on
one manager and skew the results).
For eligibility, a manager could have overlapped both millenniums,
but with decent representation in the 21st (so for example, Sacchi
only managed until 2001, so he would not make a lot of sense).
(Deschamps) at club level? Women's coaches ?
I am half tempted to give some token credit to Herdman.
How about making your picks?
Is there a deadline?-a I would kind of like to wait for the end of the season.-a If Liverpool win the league and a treble of some type, I will upgrade my mark for Klopp.-a Ditto Guardiola if he wins the league and
the CL.
On 2022-05-04 12:45, MH wrote:Not exactly comparable, but Dominik Thalhammer after a nine-year tenure with the
On 2022-05-04 11:48, Al Kamista wrote:
On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 11:42:54 AM UTC-4, MH wrote:
On 2022-05-02 11:27, Al Kamista wrote:
Following up on the Ancelotti thread, it would be interesting to see >>>> where we net out on who we perceive to be the best this millennium. >>>>Are we restricting this to achievements with clubs, or are national team >>> coaches fair game, even if they have done little (L||w) or a fair bit >>> (Deschamps) at club level? Women's coaches ?
Ground rules similar to the RSS Coach Sack competition. You get 10
weightage points which you can allocate to managers of your choice, >>>> with a limit of 3 points per manager (so people don't over-index on >>>> one manager and skew the results).
For eligibility, a manager could have overlapped both millenniums,
but with decent representation in the 21st (so for example, Sacchi
only managed until 2001, so he would not make a lot of sense).
I am half tempted to give some token credit to Herdman.
How about making your picks?
Is there a deadline? I would kind of like to wait for the end of the season. If Liverpool win the league and a treble of some type, I will upgrade my mark for Klopp. Ditto Guardiola if he wins the league and
the CL.
Well does not look likely for the former, and the latter is completely out.
So:
Klopp 2
Guardiola 2
Mourinho 2 (mostly for what he did with Porto and first two Chelsea years Deschamps 1 (respectable league management with clubs, and knows how to
win, though I wish he were more adventurous with France. Man management good, also loyal to players that do the job)
Ancelotti 1
Ferguson 1 (mostly because his impressive accomplishments were more in
the previous century)
Herdman 0.5 (Has anyone else managed the transition from the women's
game to the mens, and done so successfully?)
Galthier 0.25Rudi?! I think I'd have put in |oscar Garc|!a before him...
Garcia 0.25
On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 6:59:42 PM UTC+2, MH wrote:
On 2022-05-04 12:45, MH wrote:
On 2022-05-04 11:48, Al Kamista wrote:Well does not look likely for the former, and the latter is completely out. >>
On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 11:42:54 AM UTC-4, MH wrote:
On 2022-05-02 11:27, Al Kamista wrote:
Following up on the Ancelotti thread, it would be interesting to see >>>>>> where we net out on who we perceive to be the best this millennium. >>>>>>Are we restricting this to achievements with clubs, or are national team >>>>> coaches fair game, even if they have done little (L||w) or a fair bit >>>>> (Deschamps) at club level? Women's coaches ?
Ground rules similar to the RSS Coach Sack competition. You get 10 >>>>>> weightage points which you can allocate to managers of your choice, >>>>>> with a limit of 3 points per manager (so people don't over-index on >>>>>> one manager and skew the results).
For eligibility, a manager could have overlapped both millenniums, >>>>>> but with decent representation in the 21st (so for example, Sacchi >>>>>> only managed until 2001, so he would not make a lot of sense).
I am half tempted to give some token credit to Herdman.
How about making your picks?
Is there a deadline? I would kind of like to wait for the end of the
season. If Liverpool win the league and a treble of some type, I will
upgrade my mark for Klopp. Ditto Guardiola if he wins the league and
the CL.
So:
Klopp 2
Guardiola 2
Mourinho 2 (mostly for what he did with Porto and first two Chelsea years
Deschamps 1 (respectable league management with clubs, and knows how to
win, though I wish he were more adventurous with France. Man management
good, also loyal to players that do the job)
Ancelotti 1
Ferguson 1 (mostly because his impressive accomplishments were more in
the previous century)
Herdman 0.5 (Has anyone else managed the transition from the women's
game to the mens, and done so successfully?)
Not exactly comparable, but Dominik Thalhammer after a nine-year tenure with the
Austrian women's NT (biggest success: semifinals of Euro 2017) had a semi-successful
domestic stint with LASK (decent in Europe, e.g. a 4-1 win over Sporting away to qualify
for the EL, less convincing in the league), but from the beginning he had to contend with
prejudice from a certain set of hardcore fans (the 'Damentrainer' label came out immediately
whenever things didn't go well) and he got fired halfway through this season (not that that did
LASK any good).
He has since gone to Belgium and taken over at Cercle Brugge. When he arrived last December they were second from bottom, four points adrift, and they ended
the season in comfortable 10th, seventeen points clear, and their best result in a decade.
Galthier 0.25
Garcia 0.25
Rudi?! I think I'd have put in |oscar Garc|!a before him...
Ciao,--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
Werner
On 2022-05-10 12:19, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 6:59:42 PM UTC+2, MH wrote:
On 2022-05-04 12:45, MH wrote:
On 2022-05-04 11:48, Al Kamista wrote:Well does not look likely for the former, and the latter is completely out.
On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 11:42:54 AM UTC-4, MH wrote:
On 2022-05-02 11:27, Al Kamista wrote:
Following up on the Ancelotti thread, it would be interesting to see >>>>>> where we net out on who we perceive to be the best this millennium. >>>>>>Are we restricting this to achievements with clubs, or are national team
Ground rules similar to the RSS Coach Sack competition. You get 10 >>>>>> weightage points which you can allocate to managers of your choice, >>>>>> with a limit of 3 points per manager (so people don't over-index on >>>>>> one manager and skew the results).
For eligibility, a manager could have overlapped both millenniums, >>>>>> but with decent representation in the 21st (so for example, Sacchi >>>>>> only managed until 2001, so he would not make a lot of sense).
coaches fair game, even if they have done little (L||w) or a fair bit >>>>> (Deschamps) at club level? Women's coaches ?
I am half tempted to give some token credit to Herdman.
How about making your picks?
Is there a deadline? I would kind of like to wait for the end of the
season. If Liverpool win the league and a treble of some type, I will >>> upgrade my mark for Klopp. Ditto Guardiola if he wins the league and
the CL.
So:
Klopp 2
Guardiola 2
Mourinho 2 (mostly for what he did with Porto and first two Chelsea years >> Deschamps 1 (respectable league management with clubs, and knows how to >> win, though I wish he were more adventurous with France. Man management >> good, also loyal to players that do the job)
Ancelotti 1
Ferguson 1 (mostly because his impressive accomplishments were more in
the previous century)
Herdman 0.5 (Has anyone else managed the transition from the women's
game to the mens, and done so successfully?)
Not exactly comparable, but Dominik Thalhammer after a nine-year tenure with the
Austrian women's NT (biggest success: semifinals of Euro 2017) had a semi-successful
domestic stint with LASK (decent in Europe, e.g. a 4-1 win over Sporting away to qualify
for the EL, less convincing in the league), but from the beginning he had to contend with
prejudice from a certain set of hardcore fans (the 'Damentrainer' label came out immediately
whenever things didn't go well) and he got fired halfway through this season (not that that did
LASK any good).
He has since gone to Belgium and taken over at Cercle Brugge. When he arrived
last December they were second from bottom, four points adrift, and they ended
the season in comfortable 10th, seventeen points clear, and their best result in a decade.
But when Lille won in 2010/11 PSG weren't yet the unstoppable Qatar-fuelled machine they are today,Galthier 0.25
Garcia 0.25
Rudi?! I think I'd have put in |oscar Garc|!a before him...
Yeah, Rudi. I perhaps attach too much significance to ANYONE who can
coach an under-resourced team like Lille, that constantly has to sell
its best players, to a championship in the face of competition from
teams like PSG, Marseille and Lyon.
Yeah, Rudi. I perhaps attach too much significance to ANYONE who can
Galthier 0.25
Garcia 0.25
Rudi?! I think I'd have put in |oscar Garc|!a before him...
coach an under-resourced team like Lille, that constantly has to sell
its best players, to a championship in the face of competition from
teams like PSG, Marseille and Lyon.
But when Lille won in 2010/11 PSG weren't yet the unstoppable Qatar-fuelled machine they are today,
and I've yet to meet a Roma supporter who remembers his time there fondly...
Ciao,--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
Werner
Following up on the Ancelotti thread, it would be interesting to see where we net out on who we perceive to be the best this millennium.
Ground rules similar to the RSS Coach Sack competition. You get 10 weightage points which you can allocate to managers of your choice, with a limit of 3 points per manager (so people don't over-index on one manager and skew the results).
For eligibility, a manager could have overlapped both millenniums, but with decent representation in the 21st (so for example, Sacchi only managed until 2001, so he would not make a lot of sense).
Can someone remind me of the name of the coach who won the Copa
Sudamericana with Cienciano in 2003 please?
And any information on
anything else he achieved as a manager would be appreciated too.
Also, am I right in thinking Otto Rehaggel was the coach of Greece
when they won the European Championship in 2004? And also the coach
of Kaiserslautern when they won the German Championship in 1998?
And am I also right in thinking Guus Hiddink was the coach of South
Korea when they reached the World Cup semi-final in 2002?
On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 6:27:36 PM UTC+1, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
Following up on the Ancelotti thread, it would be interesting to see where we net out on who we perceive to be the best this millennium.
Ground rules similar to the RSS Coach Sack competition. You get 10 weightage points which you can allocate to managers of your choice, with a limit of 3 points per manager (so people don't over-index on one manager and skew the results).
For eligibility, a manager could have overlapped both millenniums, but with decent representation in the 21st (so for example, Sacchi only managed until 2001, so he would not make a lot of sense).
Can someone remind me of the name of the coach who won the Copa Sudamericana with Cienciano in 2003 please? And any information on anything else he achieved as a manager would be appreciated too.
Also, am I right in thinking Otto Rehaggel was the coach of Greece when they won the European Championship in 2004? And also the coach of Kaiserslautern when they won the German Championship in 1998?
And am I also right in thinking Guus Hiddink was the coach of South Korea when they reached the World Cup semi-final in 2002?
Mark wrote:
Can someone remind me of the name of the coach who won the Copa Sudamericana with Cienciano in 2003 please?Freddy Ternero
And any information onhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freddy_Ternero
anything else he achieved as a manager would be appreciated too.
Also, am I right in thinking Otto Rehaggel was the coach of GreeceYes.
when they won the European Championship in 2004? And also the coach
of Kaiserslautern when they won the German Championship in 1998?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Rehhagel
And am I also right in thinking Guus Hiddink was the coach of SouthYes, he was.
Korea when they reached the World Cup semi-final in 2002?
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