• 2022 World Cup qualifying draw 2020-12-07

    From anders t@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Mon Dec 7 16:26:53 2020
    WANT
    Denmark
    Sweden
    Finland
    Albania
    Faroe Islands
    (San Marino)


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  • From MH@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Mon Dec 7 08:51:00 2020
    On 2020-12-07 08:26, anders t wrote:
    WANT
    Denmark
    Sweden
    Finland
    Albania
    Faroe Islands
    (San Marino)


    For Scotland I would want

    Croatia or Denmark
    Slovakia or Romania or Wales
    SCOTLAND
    Belarus or Luxembourg
    Latvia or Andorra
    Gibraltar

    Some dangerous teams in pot 3 -- Norway, Czech R, HUngary and Russia.
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  • From Jesper Lauridsen@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Mon Dec 7 17:53:21 2020
    Werner, MH, Futbolmetrix: You're going down.
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  • From Jesper Lauridsen@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Mon Dec 7 18:45:44 2020
    Full draw:

    Group A: Portugal, Serbia, Republic of Ireland, Luxembourg, Azerbaijan

    Group B: Spain, Sweden, Greece, Georgia, Kosovo

    Group C: Italy, Switzerland, Northern Ireland, Bulgaria, Lithuania

    Group D: France, Ukraine, Finland, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kazakhstan

    Group E: Belgium, Wales, Czech Republic, Belarus, Estonia

    Group F: Denmark, Austria, Scotland, Israel, Faroe Islands, Moldova

    Group G: Netherlands, Turkey, Norway, Montenegro, Latvia, Gibraltar

    Group H: Croatia, Slovakia, Russia, Slovenia, Cyprus, Malta

    Group I: England, Poland, Hungary, Albania, Andorra, San Marino

    Group J: Germany, Romania, Iceland, North Macedonia, Armenia, Liechtenstein


    Way too many groups.
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  • From Werner Pichler@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Mon Dec 7 11:09:12 2020
    On Monday, December 7, 2020 at 7:45:47 PM UTC+1, Jesper Lauridsen wrote:
    Full draw:

    Group A: Portugal, Serbia, Republic of Ireland, Luxembourg, Azerbaijan

    Group B: Spain, Sweden, Greece, Georgia, Kosovo

    Group C: Italy, Switzerland, Northern Ireland, Bulgaria, Lithuania

    Group D: France, Ukraine, Finland, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kazakhstan

    Group E: Belgium, Wales, Czech Republic, Belarus, Estonia

    Great news for the Czechs. With Belgium and Wales as Nations League Group winners
    ranked above them they are already practically guaranteed a place in the play-offs.

    Group F: Denmark, Austria, Scotland, Israel, Faroe Islands, Moldova

    I won't complain.

    Group G: Netherlands, Turkey, Norway, Montenegro, Latvia, Gibraltar

    Group H: Croatia, Slovakia, Russia, Slovenia, Cyprus, Malta

    Group I: England, Poland, Hungary, Albania, Andorra, San Marino

    Here we have the situation I've alluded to before where Albania could be tempted
    to 'nudge' Hungary towards the runner-up spot in order to increase their own chances to sneak in through the Nations League back door. But they are so far down the ranking that it shouldn't be a real problem.

    Group J: Germany, Romania, Iceland, North Macedonia, Armenia, Liechtenstein

    Please.

    Way too many groups.

    Actually it's been a while since we had a World Cup qualification scheme for UEFA
    that didn't include 'best' or 'worst' runners-up and treated each group the same.


    Ciao,
    Werner
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  • From Werner Pichler@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Mon Dec 7 11:13:46 2020
    On Monday, December 7, 2020 at 7:45:47 PM UTC+1, Jesper Lauridsen wrote:
    Full draw:

    Group A: Portugal, Serbia, Republic of Ireland, Luxembourg, Azerbaijan

    Group B: Spain, Sweden, Greece, Georgia, Kosovo

    Group C: Italy, Switzerland, Northern Ireland, Bulgaria, Lithuania

    Group D: France, Ukraine, Finland, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kazakhstan

    Another interesting tidbit: because of their surprise win against France Finland pipped
    Bosnia to pot 3 by one single point in the FIFA ranking. Turns out it didn't matter anyway.

    Ciao,
    Werner
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  • From doctor@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Mon Dec 7 19:56:05 2020
    In article <rqlt8o$3ms$1@dont-email.me>,
    Jesper Lauridsen <uselastnamedotfirstname@gmail.com> wrote:
    Full draw:

    Group A: Portugal, Serbia, Republic of Ireland, Luxembourg, Azerbaijan

    Group B: Spain, Sweden, Greece, Georgia, Kosovo

    Group C: Italy, Switzerland, Northern Ireland, Bulgaria, Lithuania

    Group D: France, Ukraine, Finland, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kazakhstan

    Group E: Belgium, Wales, Czech Republic, Belarus, Estonia

    Group F: Denmark, Austria, Scotland, Israel, Faroe Islands, Moldova

    Group G: Netherlands, Turkey, Norway, Montenegro, Latvia, Gibraltar

    Group H: Croatia, Slovakia, Russia, Slovenia, Cyprus, Malta

    Group I: England, Poland, Hungary, Albania, Andorra, San Marino

    Group J: Germany, Romania, Iceland, North Macedonia, Armenia, Liechtenstein


    Way too many groups.

    Looks like the usual suspects to me!
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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Tue Dec 8 08:27:27 2020
    On Monday, December 7, 2020 at 12:53:23 PM UTC-5, Jesper Lauridsen wrote:
    Werner, MH, Futbolmetrix: You're going down.
    Israel versus Scotland and Austria has become a bit of a regular fixture lately.
    On the other hand, the last competitive encounter between Israel and Denmark was the Euro 2000 playoff (the only time Israel made it that far in any qualifying competition since joining UEFA). There were high hopes ahead of the first leg in Israel, so Israeli star Haim Revivo and some teammates decided to defuse the tension ahead of the match in the company of some...erm...friendly representatives of the opposite sex. It didn't end well.
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  • From MH@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Tue Dec 8 10:12:54 2020
    On 2020-12-08 09:27, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Monday, December 7, 2020 at 12:53:23 PM UTC-5, Jesper Lauridsen wrote:
    Werner, MH, Futbolmetrix: You're going down.

    Israel versus Scotland and Austria has become a bit of a regular fixture lately.
    On the other hand, the last competitive encounter between Israel and Denmark was the Euro 2000 playoff (the only time Israel made it that far in any qualifying competition since joining UEFA). There were high hopes ahead of the first leg in Israel, so Israeli star Haim Revivo and some teammates decided to defuse the tension ahead of the match in the company of some...erm...friendly representatives of the opposite sex.


    Were these.... young ladies of negotiable affection (as Terry Pratchett
    would have it) in the pay of the DBU ?

    It didn't end well.

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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Tue Dec 8 09:29:32 2020
    On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 12:12:57 PM UTC-5, MH wrote:
    Were these.... young ladies of negotiable affection (as Terry Pratchett would have it) in the pay of the DBU ?

    The Danes are too much straight shooters to plan something so dastardly (other than organizing biscotti with their Swedish cousins, of course). I'm afraid this was entirely on Revivo and his buddies.

    The match ended in a 5-0 win for Denmark, with Revivo beinsg so successful at defusing the tension that he earned himself a red card.
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  • From Real Mardin@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Tue Dec 8 14:36:01 2020
    On Monday, December 7, 2020 at 6:45:47 PM UTC, Jesper Lauridsen wrote:
    Full draw:

    Group A: Portugal, Serbia, Republic of Ireland, Luxembourg, Azerbaijan

    Group B: Spain, Sweden, Greece, Georgia, Kosovo

    Group C: Italy, Switzerland, Northern Ireland, Bulgaria, Lithuania

    Group D: France, Ukraine, Finland, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kazakhstan

    Group E: Belgium, Wales, Czech Republic, Belarus, Estonia

    Group F: Denmark, Austria, Scotland, Israel, Faroe Islands, Moldova

    Group G: Netherlands, Turkey, Norway, Montenegro, Latvia, Gibraltar

    Group H: Croatia, Slovakia, Russia, Slovenia, Cyprus, Malta

    Group I: England, Poland, Hungary, Albania, Andorra, San Marino

    Group J: Germany, Romania, Iceland, North Macedonia, Armenia, Liechtenstein


    Way too many groups.

    Maybe it was inevitable with the seeding but this is about as unremarkable a draw as they could have managed. Fans of the teams aside I'm not really sure there's a single group that really captures the imagination.

    England and Poland drawn together in a qualifying group **again**?? This is what, the 94th time that has happened?

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  • From Werner Pichler@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Tue Dec 8 14:53:09 2020
    On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 11:36:04 PM UTC+1, Real Mardin wrote:
    On Monday, December 7, 2020 at 6:45:47 PM UTC, Jesper Lauridsen wrote:
    Full draw:

    Group A: Portugal, Serbia, Republic of Ireland, Luxembourg, Azerbaijan

    Group B: Spain, Sweden, Greece, Georgia, Kosovo

    Group C: Italy, Switzerland, Northern Ireland, Bulgaria, Lithuania

    Group D: France, Ukraine, Finland, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kazakhstan

    Group E: Belgium, Wales, Czech Republic, Belarus, Estonia

    Group F: Denmark, Austria, Scotland, Israel, Faroe Islands, Moldova

    Group G: Netherlands, Turkey, Norway, Montenegro, Latvia, Gibraltar

    Group H: Croatia, Slovakia, Russia, Slovenia, Cyprus, Malta

    Group I: England, Poland, Hungary, Albania, Andorra, San Marino

    Group J: Germany, Romania, Iceland, North Macedonia, Armenia, Liechtenstein


    Way too many groups.

    Maybe it was inevitable with the seeding but this is about as unremarkable a draw as they could have managed. Fans of the teams aside I'm not really sure there's a single group that really captures the
    imagination.

    It was inevitable with the seeding, but yeah. That's what you get for modelling the FIFA ranking after ELO and their stupid realistic assessments!
    But don't worry, once UEFA take over for Euro 2024 things will get wackier again as they'll strictly use Nations League results.

    England and Poland drawn together in a qualifying group **again**?? This is what, the 94th time that has happened?

    The ninth time in qualifiers plus once at the World Cup. Apparently a UEFA record.

    Ciao,
    Werner
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  • From Real Mardin@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Tue Dec 8 15:11:06 2020
    On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 10:53:12 PM UTC, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 11:36:04 PM UTC+1, Real Mardin wrote:
    On Monday, December 7, 2020 at 6:45:47 PM UTC, Jesper Lauridsen wrote:
    Full draw:

    Group A: Portugal, Serbia, Republic of Ireland, Luxembourg, Azerbaijan

    Group B: Spain, Sweden, Greece, Georgia, Kosovo

    Group C: Italy, Switzerland, Northern Ireland, Bulgaria, Lithuania

    Group D: France, Ukraine, Finland, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kazakhstan

    Group E: Belgium, Wales, Czech Republic, Belarus, Estonia

    Group F: Denmark, Austria, Scotland, Israel, Faroe Islands, Moldova

    Group G: Netherlands, Turkey, Norway, Montenegro, Latvia, Gibraltar

    Group H: Croatia, Slovakia, Russia, Slovenia, Cyprus, Malta

    Group I: England, Poland, Hungary, Albania, Andorra, San Marino

    Group J: Germany, Romania, Iceland, North Macedonia, Armenia, Liechtenstein


    Way too many groups.

    Maybe it was inevitable with the seeding but this is about as unremarkable a draw as they could have managed. Fans of the teams aside I'm not really sure there's a single group that really captures the
    imagination.
    It was inevitable with the seeding, but yeah. That's what you get for modelling the FIFA ranking after ELO and their stupid realistic assessments!
    But don't worry, once UEFA take over for Euro 2024 things will get wackier again as they'll strictly use Nations League results.
    England and Poland drawn together in a qualifying group **again**?? This is what, the 94th time that has happened?
    The ninth time in qualifiers plus once at the World Cup. Apparently a UEFA record.

    Werner always has the facts and figures!

    RM
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  • From MH@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Tue Dec 8 16:30:11 2020
    On 2020-12-07 11:45, Jesper Lauridsen wrote:
    Full draw:

    Group A: Portugal, Serbia, Republic of Ireland, Luxembourg, Azerbaijan

    Group B: Spain, Sweden, Greece, Georgia, Kosovo

    Group C: Italy, Switzerland, Northern Ireland, Bulgaria, Lithuania

    Group D: France, Ukraine, Finland, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kazakhstan

    Group E: Belgium, Wales, Czech Republic, Belarus, Estonia

    Group F: Denmark, Austria, Scotland, Israel, Faroe Islands, Moldova

    Group G: Netherlands, Turkey, Norway, Montenegro, Latvia, Gibraltar

    Group H: Croatia, Slovakia, Russia, Slovenia, Cyprus, Malta

    Group I: England, Poland, Hungary, Albania, Andorra, San Marino

    Group J: Germany, Romania, Iceland, North Macedonia, Armenia, Liechtenstein


    Way too many groups.

    I agree, too many groups.
    So... 30 + 25 teams = 55 - would be better to have 6 groups of 9 or
    10 by far (one of 10), but I guess that would take too many matchdays.
    Best 4 third place teams could play off for the remaining place. Or it
    could go to the highest placed UEFA nations' league group winner.
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  • From ixion martin - GdBx@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Wed Dec 9 00:32:42 2020
    MH a omis l'idoe suivante :
    On 2020-12-07 11:45, Jesper Lauridsen wrote:
    Full draw:

    Group A: Portugal, Serbia, Republic of Ireland, Luxembourg,
    Azerbaijan

    Group B: Spain, Sweden, Greece, Georgia, Kosovo

    Group C: Italy, Switzerland, Northern Ireland, Bulgaria,
    Lithuania

    Group D: France, Ukraine, Finland, Bosnia and Herzegovina,
    Kazakhstan

    Group E: Belgium, Wales, Czech Republic, Belarus, Estonia

    Group F: Denmark, Austria, Scotland, Israel, Faroe Islands,
    Moldova

    Group G: Netherlands, Turkey, Norway, Montenegro, Latvia,
    Gibraltar

    Group H: Croatia, Slovakia, Russia, Slovenia, Cyprus, Malta

    Group I: England, Poland, Hungary, Albania, Andorra, San
    Marino

    Group J: Germany, Romania, Iceland, North Macedonia,
    Armenia, Liechtenstein


    Way too many groups.

    I agree, too many groups.
    So... 30 + 25 teams = 55 - would be better to have 6 groups
    of 9 or 10 by far (one of 10), but I guess that would take
    too many matchdays. Best 4 third place teams could play off
    for the remaining place. Or it could go to the highest placed
    UEFA nations' league group winner.

    Ten groups of four teams and three of five teams... But that
    seem quite simple for UEFA.

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  • From MH@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Tue Dec 8 17:07:03 2020
    On 2020-12-08 16:32, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
    MH a omis l'idoe suivante :
    On 2020-12-07 11:45, Jesper Lauridsen wrote:
    Full draw:

    Group A: Portugal, Serbia, Republic of Ireland, Luxembourg, Azerbaijan

    Group B: Spain, Sweden, Greece, Georgia, Kosovo

    Group C: Italy, Switzerland, Northern Ireland, Bulgaria, Lithuania

    Group D: France, Ukraine, Finland, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kazakhstan

    Group E: Belgium, Wales, Czech Republic, Belarus, Estonia

    Group F: Denmark, Austria, Scotland, Israel, Faroe Islands, Moldova

    Group G: Netherlands, Turkey, Norway, Montenegro, Latvia, Gibraltar

    Group H: Croatia, Slovakia, Russia, Slovenia, Cyprus, Malta

    Group I: England, Poland, Hungary, Albania, Andorra, San Marino

    Group J: Germany, Romania, Iceland, North Macedonia, Armenia,
    Liechtenstein


    Way too many groups.

    I agree, too many groups.
    So... 30 + 25 teams = 55a - would be better to havea 6 groups ofa 9
    or 10 by far (one of 10), but I guess that would take too many
    matchdays. Best 4 third place teams could play off for the remaining
    place. Or it could go to the highest placed UEFA nations' league group
    winner.

    Ten groups of four teams and three of five teams... But that seem quite simple for UEFA.


    I don't like that because then only group winners qualify, and the luck
    of the draw becomes far more important. There are also far too few
    games, meaning that the opportunity to make up for a freak result due to
    bad refereeing is too small.
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  • From vedran@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Wed Dec 9 18:29:09 2020
    On 7.12.2020. 19:45, Jesper Lauridsen wrote:

    Group H: Croatia, Slovakia, Russia, Slovenia, Cyprus, Malta

    Unpleasant group for us. I was relieved when we got Slovakia from the 2.
    pot,
    but Russia and Slovenia are tough draws from the lower pots.

    Just watched a podcast with commentators from the region, Slovenian was
    quite confident, he said we aren't the same team anymore which is true,
    and that without Rakitic and with aging Modric they can get 2 draws in
    our matches.
    Oblak and Kampl from Leipzig are supposed to come back for this campaign.
    Their manager is Matjaz Kek who won Croatian championship and knows us well. Interestingly, Slovenian commentator said that he is more afraid of Cyprus
    who they couldn't beat recently in Nations League than us, Russia and Slovakia.

    As a reminder, Slovenia has good memories of Russia, they kicked them out
    in playoffs of WC 2010 qualifications when Hiddink was Russia's manager.
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  • From ixion martin - GdBx@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Wed Dec 9 22:02:44 2020
    vedran avait ononco :
    On 7.12.2020. 19:45, Jesper Lauridsen wrote:

    Group H: Croatia, Slovakia, Russia, Slovenia, Cyprus, Malta

    Unpleasant group for us.

    It was funny, during the draw of Pot 4, to see your similar (in
    colours) flags.

    But I think you will qualify easily. Croatia sometimes have
    difficulties versus strong teams (like France) but seems to be
    very efficient versus weakest teams.

    Maybe I'm wrong but I think you are far better than Slovakia,
    Russia and Slovenia.

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  • From vedran@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Thu Dec 10 02:14:21 2020
    On 9.12.2020. 22:02, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:

    Maybe I'm wrong but I think you are far better than Slovakia, Russia and Slovenia.

    We are but it doesn't always reflect on a pitch, we still have to beat
    Russia
    in 90 minutes, we did it only in a friendly.

    This is a group in which everyone will be losing points, but we have
    good depth now
    which is important because of a tight schedule and hopefully we'll lose
    the least
    amount of points.

    It would be embarrassing if don't qualify as a WC runner-up.
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  • From MH@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Wed Dec 9 21:13:51 2020
    On 2020-12-09 18:14, vedran wrote:
    On 9.12.2020. 22:02, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:

    Maybe I'm wrong but I think you are far better than Slovakia, Russia
    and Slovenia.

    We are but it doesn't always reflect on a pitch, we still have to beat Russia
    in 90 minutes, we did it only in a friendly.

    This is a group in which everyone will be losing points, but we have
    good depth now
    which is important because of a tight schedule and hopefully we'll lose
    the least
    amount of points.

    It would be embarrassing if don't qualify as a WC runner-up.

    You'd be in reasonably good company: Netherlands managed this in 1982.
    France as 3rd place in 1986 missed qualifying in 1990. Czechoslovakia
    did not qualify in 1966. Sweden did not qualify in 1962.

    Of course there were fewer places (and fewer countries) in those days.
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  • From vedran@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Thu Dec 10 06:01:23 2020
    On 10.12.2020. 5:13, MH wrote:


    France as 3rd place in 1986 missed qualifying in 1990.

    I actually checked this one few weeks ago to see how exYU managed
    to beat France and we still can't :)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X9gQd44STA
    (there is a full match as well on yt)

    Yugoslavia even had positive h2h https://www.11v11.com/teams/france/tab/opposingTeams/opposition/Yugoslavia/
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  • From ixion martin - GdBx@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Tue Dec 15 01:59:31 2020
    vedran a formulo ce jeudi :
    On 10.12.2020. 5:13, MH wrote:


    France as 3rd place in 1986 missed qualifying in 1990.

    I actually checked this one few weeks ago to see how exYU
    managed to beat France and we still can't :)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X9gQd44STA
    (there is a full match as well on yt)

    Yugoslavia even had positive h2h https://www.11v11.com/teams/france/tab/opposingTeams/opposition/Yugoslavia/


    Yugoslavia was a very strong team these years.
    And France was in a medium age, between the end of the
    Platini's golden generation and the future Zidane's one.

    As a matter of fact, I always felt a little bit sad for
    Jean-Pierre Papin, a very veery talented striker during the end
    of 80's and the beginning of 90's. He arrived when France
    entered the darkness in 1986 and left at the arrival of new
    generation in 1995/1996.

    He almost single-handedly qualified France for Euro 92 and
    almost managed to qualify us in 1990 and 1994 (one point
    missing for both eliminatories) but never won a title with
    France.

    Returning to 1990's qualification, it's not Yugoslavia who
    eliminated us but... Cyprus, where France made a shameful 1-1
    draw in Nicosia (where France won 0-7 five years earlier),
    giving to Cyprus its only point of all group stage matches. And
    France needed one more point to qualify instead of Scotland.

    Thinking also to the 1-2 in Yugoslavia in minute 75 turning to
    3-2 in final whistle, the 1-1 in Norway while France leaded 0-1
    at 5 minutes of the end and the 0-0 in France versus Yugoslavia
    in spite of all the French opportunities, I had difficulty
    accepting not to see France in Italia 90...

    I didn't know what will append four years later... :-/.

    --
    Ixion
    En coupe d'Europe ou en solection, quand on dit
    diplomatiquement que l'arbitre
    n'otait pas dans un bon soir, c'est toujours la France ou le
    club frantais qui morfle.
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  • From MH@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Tue Dec 15 09:04:11 2020
    On 2020-12-14 17:59, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
    vedran a formulo ce jeudi :
    On 10.12.2020. 5:13, MH wrote:


    France as 3rd place in 1986 missed qualifying in 1990.

    I actually checked this one few weeks ago to see how exYU managed to
    beat France and we still can't :)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X9gQd44STA
    (there is a full match as well on yt)

    Yugoslavia even had positive h2h
    https://www.11v11.com/teams/france/tab/opposingTeams/opposition/Yugoslavia/ >>


    Yugoslavia was a very strong team these years.
    And France was in a medium age, between the end of the Platini's golden generation and the future Zidane's one.

    As a matter of fact, I always felt a little bit sad for Jean-Pierre
    Papin, a very veery talented striker during the end of 80's and the beginning of 90's. He arrived when France entered the darkness in 1986
    and left at the arrival of new generation in 1995/1996.

    He almost single-handedly qualified France for Euro 92 and almost
    managed to qualify us in 1990 and 1994 (one point missing for both eliminatories) but never won a title with France.

    Returning to 1990's qualification, it's not Yugoslavia who eliminated us but... Cyprus, where France made a shameful 1-1 draw in Nicosia (where France won 0-7 five years earlier), giving to Cyprus its only point of
    all group stage matches. And France needed one more point to qualify
    instead of Scotland.

    Losing a point in Cyprus certainly did not help. but this was in
    France's SECOND match in the group, and there was plenty of time to
    recover. They didn't, they lost to Scotland, lost to Yugoslavia (third seeds), drew with Norway and drew with Yugoslavia in Paris. Scotland
    went into their last match at home vs. Norway knowing a draw was enough
    to qualify them, irrespective of France's last game vs. Cyprus. If
    France had had that one extra point from the Cyprus match, I suspect
    Scotland might have approached the last game differently. Norway's
    equalizer came very late - again who knows if that would have happened
    if a win had been critical?

    Thinking also to the 1-2 in Yugoslavia in minute 75 turning to 3-2 in
    final whistle, the 1-1 in Norway while France leaded 0-1 at 5 minutes of
    the end and the 0-0 in France versus Yugoslavia in spite of all the
    French opportunities, I had difficulty accepting not to see France in
    Italia 90...

    I didn't know what will append four years later... :-/.

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